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Old 12-14-2018, 04:11 PM   #121
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It was his first game. He will be moving better once he gets a few games under his belt.
I am aware of the number of games he's played this season.
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Old 12-14-2018, 04:17 PM   #122
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I am aware of the number of games he's played this season.
But a real NBA game where the stats count and wins and losses affect the standings seems like an odd place to work yourself back into jogging shape.
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Old 12-14-2018, 05:17 PM   #123
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That pic of Barnes surrounded by 4 Suns and shooting instead of passing was when I literally walked out of the room, with some choice words. It highlighted his tunnel vision better than any single play ever could. The only reason I calmed down was that I told myself, after talking to the universe very loudly about how stupid we were, is because I remembered even if he made the basic elementary pass out of a 1 on 4 situation, it would have been to a wide open 3 point shot. And we all saw how likely a 3 going in last night was.

I'm more with Melon on the loss last night. Yes good teams lose to bad teams, but this one hurts more than just your typical "we laid an egg tonight" game that happens a couple of times every year. That Suns team has lost 10 straight and by an average of over 15 points. Their closest game was a 4 point loss to the Clippers. And it wasn't 4 points because the Clippers played bad, it was by far Phoenix's best offensive performance during this 10 game stretch. Meanwhile our final score was -10 and honestly it didn't even feel that close. Phoenix did not play well. We just somehow played not just worse but significantly worse than the worst team in the NBA. We had already lost to this shit team once before. So there should have been increased urgency to not lose again regardless of the road b2b circumstance. How many playoff caliber teams have lost to the Suns or Bulls, then followed that up with another loss to that same team, while that same team is playing like shit? So no this to me isn't the same as a bad team catching a team off guard and stealing one by getting hot and the other team just didn't have it. This is a bad team, playing bad, that you already lost to beating you soundly without even playing good themselves. I don't agree about it being the start of a losing streak but that loss, the way it happened, is absolutely indefensible imo.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:04 PM   #124
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That pic of Barnes surrounded by 4 Suns and shooting instead of passing was when I literally walked out of the room, with some choice words. It highlighted his tunnel vision better than any single play ever could. The only reason I calmed down was that I told myself, after talking to the universe very loudly about how stupid we were, is because I remembered even if he made the basic elementary pass out of a 1 on 4 situation, it would have been to a wide open 3 point shot. And we all saw how likely a 3 going in last night was.
Barnes literally doesn't have a clue how to pass the ball in general let alone out of a double team. He is a blessing and a curse because he is usually Mr Reliable on offense, but it all falls apart if his shots don't go in. Same can be said for Wes, although he is a much better passer. Barnes has a rather low BBIQ though which is rearing its ugly head this season. I'm not into advanced stats, but they seem to suggest that Barnes is a big net negative in many aspects.

I find that we need to figure out what the team NEEDS going forward. The team NEEDS Jordan's rebounding even if his defense is half ass. They NEED Luka's playmaking even though his shot isn't falling lately. And yes, they NEED Smith's defense, quickness, and athleticism despite his low numbers. Barea and Brunson are calm, collected, and high BBIQ, but their lack of athleticism still matters.

I don't know of anything that Wes or Barnes provide that can't be replaced. They are decent players, but I'm not really in love with keeping either of them long term.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:12 PM   #125
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Barnes has legitimately some of the worst court vision I have ever seen. BW called it “tunnel vision” and that may be most apt because it almost seems like a choice, like he’s blocking everyone else out. How to reconcile the fact that he’s by all accounts a hard worker, good teammate, all-around good dude; with the fact that he’s a selfish unwilling passer for the most part? Is he aware?

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Old 12-15-2018, 01:09 PM   #126
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I'm more with Melon on the loss last night. Yes good teams lose to bad teams, but this one hurts more than just your typical "we laid an egg tonight" game that happens a couple of times every year. That Suns team has lost 10 straight and by an average of over 15 points. Their closest game was a 4 point loss to the Clippers. And it wasn't 4 points because the Clippers played bad, it was by far Phoenix's best offensive performance during this 10 game stretch. Meanwhile our final score was -10 and honestly it didn't even feel that close. Phoenix did not play well. We just somehow played not just worse but significantly worse than the worst team in the NBA. We had already lost to this shit team once before. So there should have been increased urgency to not lose again regardless of the road b2b circumstance. How many playoff caliber teams have lost to the Suns or Bulls, then followed that up with another loss to that same team, while that same team is playing like shit? So no this to me isn't the same as a bad team catching a team off guard and stealing one by getting hot and the other team just didn't have it. This is a bad team, playing bad, that you already lost to beating you soundly without even playing good themselves. I don't agree about it being the start of a losing streak but that loss, the way it happened, is absolutely indefensible imo.
This was my line of thinking, thanks for putting it out there more articulately. It wasnt a normal good team lose to bad team night. The bad team wasnt even playing well, and we had just lost to this team a month ago.
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Old 12-15-2018, 01:24 PM   #127
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This was my line of thinking, thanks for putting it out there more articulately. It wasnt a normal good team lose to bad team night. The bad team wasnt even playing well, and we had just lost to this team a month ago.
Remember that the Suns needed a win like a person in the desert needs water. There was talk of fan mutiny at the Arena because of a crazy owner who just threatened to move the team.

You might think it terrible to lose this game, but the Mavs aren't good enough yet to just handle business against bad teams. They even had trouble against Atlanta.
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Old 12-15-2018, 01:36 PM   #128
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Remember that the Suns needed a win like a person in the desert needs water. There was talk of fan mutiny at the Arena because of a crazy owner who just threatened to move the team.

You might think it terrible to lose this game, but the Mavs aren't good enough yet to just handle business against bad teams. They even had trouble against Atlanta.
Exactly.

We’re also talking like we’re the 2006-2007 Mavs and are the dominant team losing to the awful Warriors. We’re not.

We’re a fledgling team barely learning to win. Much closer to the 2000-2001 Mavs when we had seedlings of talent but were also tremendously inconsistent. This team is barely learning to win with a rookie and a sophomore on the roster. We haven’t earned our spot as a dominant juggernaut that should be embarrassed by a bad loss.

A loss like the one I witnessed from six rows up is not out of character. It’s perfecty in character for a young team barely learning to win. Even teams like the Warriors and Raptors lay eggs and they’re filled with vets and have won for years. We were the third worst team in the league last year. The only reason we are winning consistently at all is because Barea has the second unit playing like a veteran squad but without Barea and with Dirk disrupting chemistry, we didn’t even have that.

I really hope it will motivate them. I hope the loss will light a fire, but I’m sorry if I don’t see it the way you do. This was an awful but hungry team with everything lining up for them (B2B, injury, rotation, poor shooting, Warren having a record night) beating a dreadfully inconsistent young team.
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Old 12-15-2018, 03:21 PM   #129
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Oh and JJ and Smith are still hurt per RC. Says both are doing better, but it's clear that Smith is playing hurt. Both likely questionable for tomorrow's game.
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I find that we need to figure out what the team NEEDS going forward. The team NEEDS Jordan's rebounding even if his defense is half ass. They NEED Luka's playmaking even though his shot isn't falling lately. And yes, they NEED Smith's defense, quickness, and athleticism despite his low numbers. Barea and Brunson are calm, collected, and high BBIQ, but their lack of athleticism still matters.

I don't know of anything that Wes or Barnes provide that can't be replaced. They are decent players, but I'm not really in love with keeping either of them long term.

I would also add that we NEED the defense Kleber and DFS provide.

I think Barnes and Wes just aren't good enough to fill the role we need which makes them the most likely targets for upgrades.

We need another primary scorer to go with Luka and we've been asking Barnes to fill that role, but he's not good enough to do that. If I'm trying to build a championship contender I just don't have Barnes as my #1 or #2 option. All he can do is iso and shoot open 3s. That's nice for a #3 option but not a #1 or #2. Plus his tunnel vision is problematic, teams will shut down his iso's in the playoffs, and if he literally can't do anything else then he's useless.

Wes is a decent 3&D guy but he's not particularly big, long, or quick. Not big enough to handle wings and not quick enough to keep up with guards. We need more 3D guys in the mold of DFS. Long, quick, and switchy on defense. As much as I have criticized him in the past, Wes is fine as a bench player making 5 mil a year, but NOT as a full time starter making 17 million. So we need to upgrade there too.
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Old 12-15-2018, 11:46 PM   #131
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Wow Mavs have risen up to the 6th seed after tonight.
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Old 12-16-2018, 12:55 AM   #132
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Yahooooooo, we are the sixth seed.


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Old 12-16-2018, 03:17 PM   #133
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ďAnd yes, they NEED Smith's defense, quickness, and athleticism despite his low numbers. Barea and Brunson are calm, collected, and high BBIQ, but their lack of athleticism still matters.Ē

Itís basketball, not track. The Mavs would have a better record if Barea and Brunson had consumed all of Dennisís minutes this season.
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The Mavs would have a better record if Barea and Brunson had consumed all of Dennisís minutes this season.
Disagree, and actually think the record would be worse.
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“And yes, they NEED Smith's defense, quickness, and athleticism despite his low numbers. Barea and Brunson are calm, collected, and high BBIQ, but their lack of athleticism still matters.”

It’s basketball, not track. The Mavs would have a better record if Barea and Brunson had consumed all of Dennis’s minutes this season.
This is just trolling as is calling Smith a bust. I expect this type of nonsense from db.com, but it's rather sad to see it here.

The last game Smith was even remotely healthy and yet still played injured was the Portland game...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq4FNjREspk

We CLEARLY need to get rid of that!
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Old 12-17-2018, 06:30 PM   #136
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Itís basketball, not track. The Mavs would have a better record if Barea and Brunson had consumed all of Dennisís minutes this season.
I very much disagree also. The league is a much faster pace than it used to be. Dirk looks like he's a Dad at a playground with 5 years olds all running around him. We need DSJ's speed and ability to disrupt, plus his defense has really been coming around.

Brunson is a great bench player, but he's the same as JJB. As good as JJB has been for his career, I don't want him being my starter. Just because players are good for 15-20 minutes doesn't mean they are going to be good for 30+.
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Small solace but the Kings are now getting murdered by the mediocre Wolves

B2Bs are rough
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Thats why they should rest the main guys at saturday against GS. The game on sunday against the Blazers is much more important.

They would probably lose against the healthy Warriors anyway.
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