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Old 01-07-2019, 10:55 PM   #81
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Smh Smith for millionth time no idea what to do with the ball. Again his bbiq is questionable at best. We have to go fast and he’s just on top being super indecisive.
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Well because Rick will never get fired. So it's useless to complain game after game about it.

I'm just tired of the disfunction of it all. How many more players do you need to come through to realize that it won't change.
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complete and utter dysfunctional embarrassment. If the Mavs didn't have Luka on the team, I'd be done with them for the season. He's the only reason I continue to tune in, and if the Mavs keep screwing around, he won't be here for long.

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3-11

Officially the worst team in the league since mid december
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Currently tied for 9th. If we can get down to 5th we have a decent chance of keeping our pick this year.
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Starting lineup 14 TO's 5 ast. And Luka had just 1 TO. Both units gave up a million fast break points.
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3-11 since Dirk came back.
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Starting lineup 14 TO's 5 ast. And Luka had just 1 TO. Both units gave up a million fast break points.
The starting lineup is the most dysfunctional in the NBA. They are all playing their own game. Flow baby flow!
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3-11 since Dirk came back.
3-11 since I went to see them play in Phoenix

I'm also 0-2 on GDTs

I think I'm the problem
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Hot garbage express coming thru.

I'm not convinced adjusting the S5 will do much, but damn man it seems like a no brainer to try.
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Mavs had an easy schedule to start the season, and didn’t capitalize well enough. This is likely just who they are.
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They looked bad even when they were winning this game. That DAJ "saving" the ball inbounds throwing it to the moon was, to me, the end of the season. Nobody gives a f.
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Rest of Mavs in third: 6 points, 3-17 FG
Where it all went to shit.
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This is a complete disaster.
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Getting close to 8 years now since the championship, and the lows holy shit have been so low. Very few highs I can think of...make a move front office.

EDIT: At what point do we stop letting 2011 impact the present?

I feel so bad for Dirk that he has to go out like this...this isnt fun for him im sure.
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Easy to start?

We played
Lakers without LeBron on B2B
Celtics without Kyrie
Sixers without Butler
Charlotte without Lamb and Zeller
Suns without Booker

This run of terribleness has been about as easy as we could expect
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I don't even recognize DSJ anymore. And I'm not blaming him either. Not yet anyway. He looks so indecisive and so uncomfortable it's sad(he is averaging less shots a game than Wes and in December he shot all of 8 attempts a game as an ultra aggressive scoring guard type). And I think most of it is there are just too many dudes in the SL that have been empowered to be something they are not. Stop treating Wes like he's a playmaking point forward. He's a 3 and d guy who can barely get open on a screen. Barnes is not Paul Pierce, I like him shooting 3's and occasionally attacking but so many times he's just isoing and then tunnel vision. I would give anything to see, for one game, DSJ, Luka, DFS, Kleber, DAJ. If DAJ is going to pretend he is Jokic with his passing then Powell idc honestly, unless he still has that ridiculous green light on 3's then you know what bring spalding up wtf ever. And if DFS is going to refuse to shoot then put in Broe. They don't have to start I just want to see 3-4 mins of that lineup please. I just want 2 playmakers and 3 guys who will shoot or dunk whatever is set up for them and not take good shots and turn them into a chance to showcase skills they don't have but have been empowered to use anyway. And I just can't see anyone to lay the blame on that outside of the coaching staff.

And if we are going to suck ass then I at least want to start seeing how we can get Luka and DSJ going together. We have to get DSJ back on track. If we have to trade him this season is a failure imo. With the exception of getting a Beal type player for him anyway.

I don't buy into the whole showcasing thing for Wes or Barnes or Powell. Teams know who they are, there is plenty of tape of all of them. I don't see how any of them is getting more trade value being part of a dumpster fire.

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I haven't posted here in years and I forgot my old username here. Hellloooo dallas-mavs.com

Anyway that was the most frustrating half of basketball that I have watched in a long time. DSJ and Matthews played some seriously dumb and selfish basketball. It also seems like they don't want to pass to Luka. I remember a game last week where Barnes was super hot and we didn't want to pass to him then either. I cringe everytime that Wes dribbles the air out of the ball.

I was confused why Brunson and Broekhoff both got DNP-CDs. They were two of our best players in our last game against the Sixers. I also want to see more Maxi.

With Luka playing defacto point guard, I don't see much value in having Dennis Smith on the court (at least when Luka is on).

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This is why I haven't posted since the championship game and just recently started reposting. Upset that Cuban dismantled the championship team, and they never ever drafted or brought in another Super Star until Luka got here.

I just don't like the way Cuban sticks with Carlisle. Just his defense is infuriating. When someone picks for Jordan's man, Jordan NEVER comes up to challenge the shooter, giving that shooter a wide open shot, which they usually make. That's the Carlisle scheme right there for you, outdated.
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Bullets:
  • Losing to the LeBron-less Lakers on a b2b... Vegas gave us -8 or something before the game. This was bad.
  • Team is completely out of sync. Starters five assists and 12 turnovers, must have been one of the lowest assist games all season anyway with only 12 total.
  • This game showed the full issues with our starting unit: Barnes is a zero when he can't score, Dennis indecisive (4 TO), and DJ and Wes trying to be playmakers when they shouldn't (8 TO).
  • Maxi played five minutes. Nuff said. At least Carlisle is apparently getting more and more uncomfortable with answering questions about it. It's clear that he won't say what's going on, but in a way he acknowledged he should play more.
  • Not being able to dig yourself out of a hole is what mediocre teams do. We had no answer in the second half when the whole team outside Luka went super cold. And even he is not distributing that much any longer and more looking for his own shot. Assists are down since Dennis return. Much talk about how Dirk messed with the rotation, but DSJ had an equally bad impact on point Luka imho.
  • This is the Mavs team that I guess we expected them to be before the season. It was nice to be in the playoff hunt for a week or two, but now it's all about maximizing Luka's potential, really at the cost of everyone else.
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I haven't posted here in years and I forgot my old username here. Hellloooo dallas-mavs.com

Anyway that was the most frustrating half of basketball that I have watched in a long time. DSJ and Matthews played some seriously dumb and selfish basketball. It also seems like they don't want to pass to Luka. I remember a game last week where Barnes was super hot and we didn't want to pass to him then either. I cringe everytime that Wes dribbles the air out of the ball.

I was confused why Brunson and Broekhoff both got DNP-CDs. They were two of our best players in our last game against the Sixers. I also want to see more Maxi.

With Luka playing defacto point guard, I don't see much value in having Dennis Smith on the court (at least when Luka is on).
Totally agree bro.
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We should see what we have in Spalding and Kostas also; our team doesn't appear to be going anywhere

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Carlisle peaked in 2011 and has got a lifetime Extension for it. Since 2012 this Team is utter garbage. While they had plain terrible Teams the last few years, they should not be 18-22 with that Team. Not with a 19yr old Rookie putting up historic Numbers.

DSJ is too limited to become really good.

The Rotations are mindboggling and as Long as Wes and Barnes can do whatever they want this Team is doomed. Also its time for Dirk to retire after this Season. Ive seen 80 yr olds move more agile than him. His legs and knees look totally shot. This cant be healthy.

I would suggest trading Wes+Barnes for a bag of Chips. Play the Young guys heavy minutes and hope that we can Keep our Pick.
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Easy to start?

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Celtics without Kyrie
Sixers without Butler
Charlotte without Lamb and Zeller
Suns without Booker

This run of terribleness has been about as easy as we could expect
lol Celtics are still tough though
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Carlisle peaked in 2011 and has got a lifetime Extension for it. Since 2012 this Team is utter garbage. While they had plain terrible Teams the last few years, they should not be 18-22 with that Team. Not with a 19yr old Rookie putting up historic Numbers.

DSJ is too limited to become really good.

The Rotations are mindboggling and as Long as Wes and Barnes can do whatever they want this Team is doomed. Also its time for Dirk to retire after this Season. Ive seen 80 yr olds move more agile than him. His legs and knees look totally shot. This cant be healthy.

I would suggest trading Wes+Barnes for a bag of Chips. Play the Young guys heavy minutes and hope that we can Keep our Pick.
I agree with this statement. I think it's time to build around Luka. It's time to move DSJ, Barnes & even Jordan who may not sign here next season. Time to move on from Matthews also... For now, I keep the bench guys, but they will be gone soon in my opinion.

Time to move on from Dirk, he moves like Herman the Munster out there and is reduced to shooting wide open 3's. Also, we should say good bye to Carlisle as well. I hate his defensive philosophy and his running the offense through Barnes and Matthews.
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I will always love Dirk and it is sad to say, but he's just not up to NBA standard anymore. I don't think we should be playing him meaningful minutes in close games. There was one perimeter closeout today where it looked like he could barely move.
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Well I guess that's it for me and GDTs this season
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This is why I haven't posted since the championship game and just recently started reposting. Upset that Cuban dismantled the championship team, and they never ever drafted or brought in another Super Star until Luka got here.
2011 was one of the biggest one and done teams ever. Even keeping Chandler, the lockout killed the legs of Kidd, Marion, Terry...

Peja was done after it and Deshawn partied too much.

And its not that the FO didnt try in the FA but damn, those were unlucky yÍars of striking out.

Deron told it was 51:49 for the Nets (well, good at the end because he was done pretty much).

I believe Dwight was a done deal until he had a late change of heart. But before that fegan told Cuban its a done deal and because of that he pulled of the draft bullshit with trading down for money (bye bye Giannis).

Iggy (later Finals MVP) was also pretty much a done deal and two hours before signing him the Jazz decided to blow it up and took like 30m in salaries from GS for picks and the Warriors had the cap to sign Iggy

It sucks, some stupid stuff (Giannis) but also a hell of bad luck

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The narrative of post-2011 is really only one because the Mavs never got close to another Final with prime Dirk. People don't realize bringing back the full squad wouldn't have significantly altered the next years. If anything, it would have been worse.

That's why I agree with sefant. Mavs probably did the right thing overall, just were a little unlucky and made some wrong decisions. Good thing it evens out over time. Pretty sure we'll look back at the 2018 draft in five years and wonder how the Mavs were even able to get Luka. That was lucky as well and only possible because of very specific circumstances and needs of the teams drafting before the Mavs.

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Old 01-08-2019, 10:33 AM   #110
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Carlisle was only good when Dirk was good. I do not believe he is the best choice for a rebuild or for grooming Luka. So stubbornly stuck in his ways and he's being left behind in this new NBA.
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Carlisle was only good when Dirk was good. I do not believe he is the best choice for a rebuild or for grooming Luka. So stubbornly stuck in his ways and he's being left behind in this new NBA.
He was good in Detroit.

Without the Malice in the palace good chances he wins a ring allready in 2005

After 2011 every crap roster overachieved. Just go through all the shitty names, specially at guard....

Carlisle is a top-5 coach easily.

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I don't even recognize DSJ anymore. And I'm not blaming him either. Not yet anyway. He looks so indecisive and so uncomfortable it's sad(he is averaging less shots a game than Wes and in December he shot all of 8 attempts a game as an ultra aggressive scoring guard type). And I think most of it is there are just too many dudes in the SL that have been empowered to be something they are not. Stop treating Wes like he's a playmaking point forward. He's a 3 and d guy who can barely get open on a screen. Barnes is not Paul Pierce, I like him shooting 3's and occasionally attacking but so many times he's just isoing and then tunnel vision. I would give anything to see, for one game, DSJ, Luka, DFS, Kleber, DAJ. If DAJ is going to pretend he is Jokic with his passing then Powell idc honestly, unless he still has that ridiculous green light on 3's then you know what bring spalding up wtf ever. And if DFS is going to refuse to shoot then put in Broe. They don't have to start I just want to see 3-4 mins of that lineup please. I just want 2 playmakers and 3 guys who will shoot or dunk whatever is set up for them and not take good shots and turn them into a chance to showcase skills they don't have but have been empowered to use anyway. And I just can't see anyone to lay the blame on that outside of the coaching staff.

And if we are going to suck ass then I at least want to start seeing how we can get Luka and DSJ going together. We have to get DSJ back on track. If we have to trade him this season is a failure imo. With the exception of getting a Beal type player for him anyway.

I don't buy into the whole showcasing thing for Wes or Barnes or Powell. Teams know who they are, there is plenty of tape of all of them. I don't see how any of them is getting more trade value being part of a dumpster fire.
Well nobody will have trade value if we keep losing.

And you're right about all of this, but Rick gonna Rick cuz. It's almost childish the way he is coaching this season, and it has spread to the players.

I am f'in done with Barnes though. Never seen a player play less team basketball in all my Mavs watching years. Even Ced Ceballos looked more of a team player and that's saying something. I'd take a prime Ceballos over Barnes every day of the week.

The DSJ stuff is very troubling. He will literally go in the corner and stand there with his hands on his knees. Is he doing that because he doesn't care or because he knows that the ball just won't come to him?

Here is the biggest and most important issue I saw that night though...EVEN Luka didn't look comfortable. At least for Luka standards he didn't. And I'm telling you it wouldn't matter if you just got rid of Smith right now. The issues are three starting vets who, like you just mentioned, are doing things they don't need to be doing. Benching Smith won't stop DAJ the playmaker, the post-up Wes, or the completely ISO Barnes. The entirety of the starting lineup is trash. And I think those three vets are likely gone by next season.

Such a shame really.
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“They did a decent job switching there on some of our pick-and-rolls,” Nowitzki said. “Sometimes, I don’t think we’re selfish. We’re like, guys are like, ‘OK, I can win this for us.’ And the ball sticks a bit. And the next guy’s like, ‘I can win this for us.’ And the ball sticks a bit. It’s not selfish, it’s just guys thinking they can make plays for us. But we’ve got to play together. I think that’s when we’re at our best, when we share the ball, go side-to-side, pick-and-roll, maybe numerous pick-and-rolls in one possession, and try to find a way to find easy baskets.”
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Without changing the starting line up and tightening the reins of Barnes and Mathews, and running the offense through Luka, this season is spiraling away. It's a coaching problem to start. As others have stated, so-called "showcasing" Mathews and Barnes, DSJ or others for "trade purposes" is ludicrous. The team keeps losing, and the players look bad. That doesn't build any trade value. And if salaries are an excuse for the way the team plays, also a horrible decision.
Rick needs to change things now, or be held accountable. The starting line up is a disaster.
It's so easy to see that Mathews is actually trying too hard, allowed to do things he can't do. Barnes seems to think he has to carry the team. DSJ looks confused, making too many bad decisions. DAJ, for some reason, looks out of position on defense what too often. He doesn't contest shots enough. He gets rubbed on screens too easily. Luka? He's looking dispirited.
Even our vaulted back ups look shaky. There needs to be change. This thing is going south, and doing the same things doesn't make sense. I hope Rick tries something else, because they aren't just losing, they are boring with predictability.
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100% agree. If we decide to fire him right as we get our next 15 year franchise player, you better have a damn good replacement.
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Recorded but didn't watch the game but man the assists looked horrible in the box score.
Barea had 3 and that was the most of any person.

Guess I won't watch it tonight.

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That 3rd quarter was a kick in the nuts - outscored 32 to 13 by a team missing their star player who were playing on the 2nd night of a B2B.
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Well nobody will have trade value if we keep losing.

And you're right about all of this, but Rick gonna Rick cuz. It's almost childish the way he is coaching this season, and it has spread to the players.

I am f'in done with Barnes though. Never seen a player play less team basketball in all my Mavs watching years. Even Ced Ceballos looked more of a team player and that's saying something. I'd take a prime Ceballos over Barnes every day of the week.

The DSJ stuff is very troubling. He will literally go in the corner and stand there with his hands on his knees. Is he doing that because he doesn't care or because he knows that the ball just won't come to him?

Here is the biggest and most important issue I saw that night though...EVEN Luka didn't look comfortable. At least for Luka standards he didn't. And I'm telling you it wouldn't matter if you just got rid of Smith right now. The issues are three starting vets who, like you just mentioned, are doing things they don't need to be doing. Benching Smith won't stop DAJ the playmaker, the post-up Wes, or the completely ISO Barnes. The entirety of the starting lineup is trash. And I think those three vets are likely gone by next season.

Such a shame really.
That's the hope. Barnes has extreme tunnel vision and is a ball stopper. DAJ is not a playmaker, but it could at least be tolerated if he was at least moving his feet, raising his arms and pretending to play paint defense. And Wes... no way he's back unless he wants vet minimum.

I think they are collectively dragging the team down. 3 dudes playing for contracts and it shows. And RC just seems disengaged. Like he just wants to get through the season and on to the good stuff. That or he's getting too old to care.

And I agree. This season should be all about Luka and DSJ. DSJ needs the ball more. Give him more p n' r reps. Get what assets you can for the 3 stat whores. Addition by subtraction. And if you can somehow come out of the trade deadline with a future 1st and a youngish vet like Porter, along with DSJ you have ammo for a trade for a difference maker. Or you like what you see of the higher usage DSJ/Luka pairing add to them as your core.

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