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Old 01-20-2019, 02:12 AM   #481
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No rumors today, but MSN thinks we should go after Jeremy Lin... Somebody throw a pie. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...nb7Kz#image=28
I’ve always wanted Lin and I think offensively hed be solid beside Luka. But he’s not a long term starter. He is having his best season in years after getting past injuries.
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But that's why they're so difficult to move... We've been rumored to be shopping Wes for over a year now, maybe longer. Nobody wants overpaid trash.
Maybe they have tried or maybe it's just a false rumor. I highly doubt they have tried to package them? I used to be on team Barnes but it looks like he is a long way from being a complete player. He has the ability to score iso fairly consistently...but he cant box out and rebound and misses open passes on offense. I'm tired of watching it.
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DSJ returning for Tuesday's home game against the Clippers per TMAC!!!

Now let's see...how do I unburn my DSJ Jersey...
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DSJ returning for Tuesday's home game against the Clippers per TMAC!!!

Now let's see...how do I unburn my DSJ Jersey...


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"DSJ parts ways with Schwartzmann" should be the next headline
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Good to see some progress, but I still don't believe Dennis will be here long term. It benefits both sides to get him back on the court though. Let's rebuild some value and get something good for him either at the deadline or this summer.
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If DSJ was smart he'd fire his agent, hire a real agent, tell the Mavs he got some bad advice, go back to work, be a team player, regain some value, then quietly work out a trade this summer... Otherwise his brand is probably about to take a hit.
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Rick apologized to Smith expressing remorse for the situation per Shams.
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Like I said earlier that quote from Rick last week was proof he made mistakes along the way and the FO saying fix this shit.
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For what?
Didn't say, but does it really matter as long as the situation gets fixed? It's lose-lose if Smith doesn't return so you right the ship no matter what it takes.
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I'm just glad Dennis released a statement letting us know he’s feeling better. I was worried sick.
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I'm just glad Dennis released a statement letting us know he’s feeling better. I was worried sick.
Haha and through his PR...
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Like I said earlier that quote from Rick last week was proof he made mistakes along the way and the FO saying fix this shit.
What mistakes? Starting him from day one and every game he was available to play in since? The FO wouldn't just say "fix this" if he had said something to hurt Dsj feelings. IF Rick had done something devastating that would make a player bail on the team as you suggest, do you really think an organization would then take a hands off approach and trust the culprit to fix it?
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What mistakes? Starting him from day one and every game he was available to play in since? The FO wouldn't just say "fix this" if he had said something to hurt Dsj feelings. IF Rick had done something devastating that would make a player bail on the team as you suggest, do you really think an organization would then take a hands off approach and trust the culprit to fix it?
Idk what he did but it was enough that Rick isntalking to his agent and personally calling Smith to apologize.
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A lot of national people are really down on DSJ. I think it's great he's back, but after this saga I kinda hope we're able to get an OK package for him and move on.
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A lot of national people are really down on DSJ. I think it's great he's back, but after this saga I kinda hope we're able to get an OK package for him and move on.

I would be shocked if he’s traded. Makes zero sense for the Mavs to settle for $.20 on the dollar. Their best bet is to bring him back, let him rebuild his value and then trade him at a later date when is value is higher.
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I would be shocked if he’s traded. Makes zero sense for the Mavs to settle for $.20 on the dollar. Their best bet is to bring him back, let him rebuild his value and then trade him at a later date when is value is higher.
A lot of question marks though. If we just roll with our usual starting five I doubt anything will change. He's not the primary ballhandler, looks out of sorts, and he'll be "sick" again before too long. He either completely buys into a role a shooting guard or gets over his ego, comes off the bench, and takes the JJB role.

Either way, I hope Rick discussed his role with him. Because you can't just go back doing the same thing and hope for a different result. Much less after what happened during the last week.
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With JJ out I think RC will stagger the lineup and have them start but pull Luka at 6min keep DSJ in then swap them close to the end of the first. The bigger question will be closing games. If DSJ keeps passing up open looks and dribbles the air out he won't close games and that might lead to more issues. I hope his value goes up and then yeah I hope they can move him in the off season.
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I would be shocked if he’s traded. Makes zero sense for the Mavs to settle for $.20 on the dollar. Their best bet is to bring him back, let him rebuild his value and then trade him at a later date when is value is higher.
I think there is just as strong (if not more) of a possibility that his value will decrease if he plays out the rest of the year as a Mav.

I tend to agree with j0Shi that we need to move on from him as soon as possible if there is a decent deal out there.
I certainly wouldn't trade him for $.20 on the dollar but I don't think that is exactly what is being offered.
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We even have a little side drama on Twitter. DFW Sports Guy and his sources vs. the world.
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I think there is just as strong (if not more) of a possibility that his value will decrease if he plays out the rest of the year as a Mav.

I tend to agree with j0Shi that we need to move on from him as soon as possible if there is a decent deal out there.
I certainly wouldn't trade him for $.20 on the dollar but I don't think that is exactly what is being offered.
Na, i doubt his trade value could be any lower than last week when he and his agent pulled this crap. Every team tried to lowball us.

Thats why the FO probably told Rick to release this blabla "my fault too" crap and promised him to ship him out the second a solid offer comes in.
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The idea of us getting .20 on the dollar is about what his play had become worth compared to the 9th pick we spent on him. That happens, there are very few guarantees in the draft. It's his stunt and his play that put himself and the organization in this situation. If it keeps up at this rate, when do you cut your losses?
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The idea of us getting .20 on the dollar is about what his play had become worth compared to the 9th pick we spent on him. That happens, there are very few guarantees in the draft. It's his stunt and his play that put himself and the organization in this situation. If it keeps up at this rate, when do you cut your losses?
That draft went 5 deep and we drafted 9th. Drafts are hard like that.

Historically, your odds are about a30% chance of a star, a 10% chance of netting a solid starter, 35% chance of a borderline starter, 20% of a deep bench player, and a 5% chance of a guy who just drops from the league. Less than 1 of 3 players drafted at 9 have ever become stars and 2017 is looking particularly lean.

Smith is not a star. I'm not sure why people think we can get a star for him in a trade.
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https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/st...99256212135938

Must have missed this earlier. I'm prepared for the worst kind of hero ball from him now to be honest... Again best case is that he plays decently and some team bites before the deadline with a decent package. He won't be here long-term anyway.
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Must have missed this earlier. I'm prepared for the worst kind of hero ball from him now to be honest... Again best case is that he plays decently and some team bites before the deadline with a decent package. He won't be here long-term anyway.
Dude only has two speeds:
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He has no "play well in an offense" setting and never has.
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With JJ out I think RC will stagger the lineup and have them start but pull Luka at 6min keep DSJ in then swap them close to the end of the first. The bigger question will be closing games. If DSJ keeps passing up open looks and dribbles the air out he won't close games and that might lead to more issues. I hope his value goes up and then yeah I hope they can move him in the off season.
I think this is the smart way to feed DSJ minutes. Start him for ego and apparent team standing, then shift his minutes after first substitution to 2nd unit, so he can fill the JJB role and hopefully pad some stats against other teams second unit, so he is more attractive to other teams.

Sadly, he has permanently damaged his reputation with this stunt. It'll take years to overcome this, if ever, and it'll always be part of his player profile moving forward. He's done nothing but make things harder on himself moving forward because wherever else he ends up, there will be a lot less rope for him due to having this incident on his resume. This may turn out to be almost as damaging long-term for him as NN's decision to pass on the Mav's multi-year offer.

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If hero ball gets us wins, then I could care less if he does it or not. Honestly, would you rather watch hero ball from Dennis, Wes, or Barnes?

Think about it...if the team had just let Dennis play hero ball this season instead of this misguided tired vet thing forcing Dennis into an unnecessarily small role, then his value is probably high enough to get a good return on a trade.
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If hero ball gets us wins, then I could care less if he does it or not. Honestly, would you rather watch hero ball from Dennis, Wes, or Barnes?

Think about it...if the team had just let Dennis play hero ball this season instead of this misguided tired vet thing forcing Dennis into an unnecessarily small role, then his value is probably high enough to get a good return on a trade.
This is true, but in the long run, the sooner a character flaw like this is apparent and diagnosed, the sooner it can be dealt with. I'd prefer to go through that aggravation now and get him gone than in a year or two when things are really starting to come together, and he decides to pull this Mickey Mouse crap. Yes, his playing situation was not of his making, but the way he handled it is all on his shoulders. If he learns a lesson from this, then he and his career will be better off for it.
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Idk what he did but it was enough that Rick isntalking to his agent and personally calling Smith to apologize.
B.S. Rick is doing what he has to do to try and end this situation. I can't tell you how many times I've apologized when I was not remotely in the wrong just so the situation would resolve itself in a positive manner. Sometimes you have to do that as an adult.. Let's hope Dennis Smith learns what it is to be an adult at some point in his life.
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If hero ball gets us wins, then I could care less if he does it or not. Honestly, would you rather watch hero ball from Dennis, Wes, or Barnes?

Think about it...if the team had just let Dennis play hero ball this season instead of this misguided tired vet thing forcing Dennis into an unnecessarily small role, then his value is probably high enough to get a good return on a trade.
IF the team had just let Dennis play hero ball, it would stunt Lukas growth, all for what? That's probably what Rick was trying to avoid in the first place. Rick wants him to play the right way, and that shouldn't be too much to ask.

The old phrase "You can't bleed a turnip" comes to mind regarding this situation. The fans want more from DSJ and the Mavs want the most back for him. Meanwhile, Dennis is at least a few years away from being what he apparently views himself as a PG, he jumped the gun on wanting to be out from under Lukas shadow and went about it the wrong way.
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B.S. Rick is doing what he has to do to try and end this situation. I can't tell you how many times I've apologized when I was not remotely in the wrong just so the situation would resolve itself in a positive manner. Sometimes you have to do that as an adult.. Let's hope Dennis Smith learns what it is to be an adult at some point in his life.
At this point, This is absolutely what it seems like to me.
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Carlisle: "A lot's being made of the fact that both of these guys need the ball. We've got a lot of games left in this season. Let's play it out and see where we are. I think that's the way to go."
Play it out. And see where we are.

I think most people should be able to live with this type of 'apology'.
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IF the team had just let Dennis play hero ball, it would stunt Lukas growth, all for what? That's probably what Rick was trying to avoid in the first place. Rick wants him to play the right way, and that shouldn't be too much to ask.

The old phrase "You can't bleed a turnip" comes to mind regarding this situation. The fans want more from DSJ and the Mavs want the most back for him. Meanwhile, Dennis is at least a few years away from being what he apparently views himself as a PG, he jumped the gun on wanting to be out from under Lukas shadow and went about it the wrong way.
I think you can have both though as long as the team isn't relying hard on other veterans. In fact, DSJ should absolutely excel now that Barea is out. No excuses otherwise.
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A lot of question marks though. If we just roll with our usual starting five I doubt anything will change. He's not the primary ballhandler, looks out of sorts, and he'll be "sick" again before too long. He either completely buys into a role a shooting guard or gets over his ego, comes off the bench, and takes the JJB role.



Either way, I hope Rick discussed his role with him. Because you can't just go back doing the same thing and hope for a different result. Much less after what happened during the last week.

I do expect some things will change and I do expect that Dennis will do a better job of embracing his role. I could a scenario where Dennis still starts however stays in the game with the second unit to fill JJ’s role. Dennis still gets to start, gets more minutes, and gets to handle the ball a lot more than he was before. We’re going to see some different substitutions than we’ve seen this year.
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In fact, DSJ should absolutely excel now that Barea is out. No excuses otherwise.
This. I've had his back for most of this, but now it's time for him step up and show what he's got.
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This. I've had his back for most of this, but now it's time for him step up and show what he's got.
Barea getting inured doesn’t suddenly raise Smith’s BBIQ by 40 points

It does give him more minutes but he was already playing almost 30mpg. If anything it’s a better get for Brunson who has been solid but often confined to the bench

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With JJ out I think RC will stagger the lineup and have them start but pull Luka at 6min keep DSJ in then swap them close to the end of the first. The bigger question will be closing games. If DSJ keeps passing up open looks and dribbles the air out he won't close games and that might lead to more issues. I hope his value goes up and then yeah I hope they can move him in the off season.

I posted before I saw your response. I agree 100%. Dennis is going to have to work on his late game decisions. Like I said in my other post, I hope this was the awakening that Dennis needs to improve his game. This might also be an awakening for Carlisle to take a different approach to helping Dennis work on what he’s doing wrong.
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The idea of us getting .20 on the dollar is about what his play had become worth compared to the 9th pick we spent on him. That happens, there are very few guarantees in the draft. It's his stunt and his play that put himself and the organization in this situation. If it keeps up at this rate, when do you cut your losses?

You certainly shouldn’t cut your losses less than 2 years after drafting the player. Give him more time to mature as a person. There is a very good chance that he and Carlisle’s relationship improves after this.
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Must have missed this earlier. I'm prepared for the worst kind of hero ball from him now to be honest... Again best case is that he plays decently and some team bites before the deadline with a decent package. He won't be here long-term anyway.

That’s basically exactly what I’ve been saying he needs to do. Since he’s realized that hopefully he’s also realized that he needs to embrace his coaching and work on his game and improve his decision making. If he does that his value will increase quite a bit from where it’s at now.
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