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What on earth is there fascination with Patrick Beverly. I do not get it. If they aren't going to get one of the big names then go after the young guys with potential who have struggled but haven't hit their potential.
Which FAs fit the “young guys with potential who have struggled but haven't hit their potential” descriptor? From what I’ve seen, most of the UFA class is on the established/older side, with some of the more interesting younger guys carrying the RFA designation.
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I think some are pointing the arrows at the wrong people. Fans can want or not want whatever they like, but the FO has made clear indications that they want to win NOW. The only question is whether they will mortgage future cap space on tier 2 players or not. Not sure they need to, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.
Absolutely..it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. There's a fine line between spending a bit too much to try and win now and flushing good cap space down the toilet. It's going to be interesting...
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This "Win Now" topic makes me picture a 13yr old sitting in front of the TV celebrating a championship on NBA2k with chicky nugget grease on the controller, complaining about why the real life FO can't just do it like that and just wants to wait to win.
Absolutely.... I'd prefer a certain level of patience. But, there's a strong chance that the Mavs will be left with a decision of going after a tier 2/tier 3 free agent versus saving the space.. I'm intrigued as to which route they'll go. And yeah, there will be some fans that'll say "here we go again". I obviously hope that they're left with a no brainer decision.. But I don't think that'll be the case.
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What on earth is there fascination with Patrick Beverly. I do not get it. If they aren't going to get one of the big names then go after the young guys with potential who have struggled but haven't hit their potential.
I see the fascination with Beverley no doubt, BUT there is a price point where that ends! I don't see anyone actually tougher pound for pound with more grit than he. There is an abundant amount of fake tough, but he is the real deal. Having Bev and Barea would bring a fierce constant hustle, and grit that would be more consistent than any team in the league. Not the most athletic or talented but those two give a massive boost in plenty of close games. Once again, I get the fascination but there is a price point that you end meeting and walk away.
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I'm all for Beverley because he won't strap us unless they plan to give him a ridiculous offer like the Horford rumors.
Beverley on a fair deal could be a nice trade asset if things go sour or if there is an opportunity to upgrade down the line.

I'd feel the same about Horford if he wasn't so expensive.
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Which FAs fit the ďyoung guys with potential who have struggled but haven't hit their potentialĒ descriptor? From what Iíve seen, most of the UFA class is on the established/older side, with some of the more interesting younger guys carrying the RFA designation.
Ok so these guys are older than the typical 24 or 25 year olds I'd like but here's a list of guys that could join our rotation for the better:

Russell(I'd go all in on him and if we strike it that's fine. He's a smarter gamble then these older guys)

Terrence Ross
Derrick Rose
Enes Kanter
Jabari Parker
Rodney Hood
Marcus Morris

I'd rather let Brunson develop then look at he likes of Patrick Beverly.
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I see the fascination with Beverley no doubt, BUT there is a price point where that ends! I don't see anyone actually tougher pound for pound with more grit than he. There is an abundant amount of fake tough, but he is the real deal. Having Bev and Barea would bring a fierce constant hustle, and grit that would be more consistent than any team in the league. Not the most athletic or talented but those two give a massive boost in plenty of close games. Once again, I get the fascination but there is a price point that you end meeting and walk away.
Ok let me rephrase that statement. I don't understand the point in overpaying for Beverly. If they can get him at a small deal I'm fine. Or even a big money 1 year deal I'm ok with that. But I beg them please don't sign up for the guy for 3 or 4 years.
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Ok let me rephrase that statement. I don't understand the point in overpaying for Beverly. If they can get him at a small deal I'm fine. Or even a big money 1 year deal I'm ok with that. But I beg them please don't sign up for the guy for 3 or 4 years.
I'm pretty sure most of us feel the same way -- we want Beverly, but on a sensible deal... Same with Horford... Or even the list you made a couple posts up -- I could go for any of those guys if we can hit a sweet spot with money/years.

And I think that's the biggest point being made in this thread right now -- if we can't make a splashy signing, then let's make a sensible one. The biggest thing we're all disagreeing on is where splashy ends and sensible begins.
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I'm pretty sure most of us feel the same way -- we want Beverly, but on a sensible deal... Same with Horford... Or even the list you made a couple posts up -- I could go for any of those guys if we can hit a sweet spot with money/years.

And I think that's the biggest point being made in this thread right now -- if we can't make a splashy signing, then let's make a sensible one. The biggest thing we're disagreeing on is where splashy ends and sensible begins.
This all day.

Now if someone can just create a list with a "sweet spot" contract with $ and length...
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I'm pretty sure most of us feel the same way -- we want Beverly, but on a sensible deal... Same with Horford... Or even the list you made a couple posts up -- I could go for any of those guys if we can hit a sweet spot with money/years.

And I think that's the biggest point being made in this thread right now -- if we can't make a splashy signing, then let's make a sensible one.
I'm fine with that but is it realistic to expect a small deal?
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Most, if not all FAs will come at premium this year but my concern, along with some others is putting this team in a contract trap that we can't get out of.
I'd much rather overpay for Beverly (within reason) than someone like Horford if what is rumored is what he wants. We'd never be able to unload that contract.

There will most likely be a hell of a lot of regret this next season by a lot of teams because there will most likely be a multitude of Timofey Mozgov type contracts that teams won't be able to unload without giving up a future asset as well.

People hated Barnes', Parsons' and Wes' contracts....do you really want to get into one of those boats again? One with even a bigger hole?

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Mavs should try for the playoffs until Luka is no longer a Mav. You can't plan further out than 2-3 years in this climate.
Exactly

You get the best talent you can get RIGHT NOW and worry about later when it comes up

I think y'all forget sometimes that Donnie's greatest asset is his ability to get trades done. To get a trade done you need contracts at higher amounts. We've got zero ammo to trade for anyone except Hardaway and Lee

I'd sign Horford for 4 years. Not at $112m - that's too much. But at $90m its a deal that benefits us. Maybe he doesn't make it for the whole 4 years but after 3 he's trade bait for the next guy who has a longer contract
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I really don't think anyone is arguing about not winning now. You have to have a hard line though for what you should spend on a player. If your line on bev is 9m a year but bidding takes it up to 13 don't spend 14 getting him just because we need to win now. It's pretty simple. We can't keep getting guys like Barnes at 25m or Wes at 18m and expect them to be included in any trade as a positive asset down the line.
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@BlakeWeird: Marc Stein on Horford and Mavs, “I’ve been trying to solve that one for a week and I’m no closer to the answer. Draft night or the night after I was told 4/112. Where? I don’t know. The Mavs keep coming up over and over. I’ve literally asked them 5 times.”
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@BlakeWeird: Marc Stein on Horford and Mavs, ďIíve been trying to solve that one for a week and Iím no closer to the answer. Draft night or the night after I was told 4/112. Where? I donít know. The Mavs keep coming up over and over. Iíve literally asked them 5 times.Ē
$112M is insane unless you get one of those crazy Fish ideas to work

>>>IF<<< we sign and trade Kemba for Lee and Brunson (plus the 2nd rounders we picked up) plus cash to buy out Lee

>>>AND<<< we buyout Hardaway

>>>THEN<<< and only then would Horford be worth $112m to me

Getting both would be worth the extra for me. But Cuban would have to write off about $40m to make it work

(and of course you could throw the MLE at Beverley then)
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$112M is insane unless you get one of those crazy Fish ideas to work

>>>IF<<< we sign and trade Kemba for Lee and Brunson (plus the 2nd rounders we picked up) plus cash to buy out Lee

>>>AND<<< we buyout Hardaway

>>>THEN<<< and only then would Horford be worth $112m to me

Getting both would be worth the extra for me. But Cuban would have to write off about $40m to make it work

(and of course you could throw the MLE at Beverley then)

As someone who is all for Getting Al, I would only offer him 3/85 or maybe 3/90 depending on what else happens. 4/112 is a fair price for year one and maybe year 2 but after that even a player of his skill set is going to start slowing down a lot.

I understand that we would do it and it make sense, but it sure would suck giving up Brunson to get Kemba.
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