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Old 09-04-2020, 10:15 AM   #1641
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He'll probably never be an 82 game player. That much is clear. However, it's beyond ridiculous that we're already wondering if we want the guy. He's not Chandler Parsons. The dude just played on a torn meniscus and put up like 30/10. Yes, I'm glad he's on my team.
Problem is he got hurt at the worst possible time, and that matters. A healthy KP might get us a game 7 which is the only chance you can ask for. If you look at how badly Denver got their asses beat by the Clips, then you can see the Mavs are better than they should be.
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:20 AM   #1642
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Problem is he got hurt at the worst possible time, and that matters. A healthy KP might get us a game 7 which is the only chance you can ask for. If you look at how badly Denver got their asses beat by the Clips, then you can see the Mavs are better than they should be.
Yeah.

Ultimately with KP on the roster you'd want to have a team so good built around him that you wouldn't mind missing him for huge swaths of the playoffs, but if you're building a team where he's just gravy, then why is he getting the max.

Also by getting the max for a guy who plays only 60% of each season and 50% of each playoff, you're really preventing yourself from building that team that is so good that he's just a bonus.
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:41 AM   #1643
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OMG - Nash asked Dirk to join him on the coaching staff of the Nets. Dirk declined

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Old 09-04-2020, 11:50 AM   #1644
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OMG - Nash asked Dirk to join him on the coaching staff of the Nets. Dirk declined

https://www.radio.com/1053thefan/spo...jRvIv8-fA_Yqgs
i guess they're still buds? that's nice.

But no way - get your hands off Dirk. he belongs in Big D and with the Mavs.
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Old 09-04-2020, 04:49 PM   #1645
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But no way - get your hands off Dirk. he belongs in Big D and with the Mavs.
That was my first thought
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Old 09-04-2020, 05:01 PM   #1646
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Mavs need to put Dirk on the coaching staff. Retirement is over.
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Old 09-04-2020, 05:38 PM   #1647
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It's hard to see Dirk interested in going elsewhere and put his neck on the line for another city with zero coaching experience. I'm sure he knows what he has here, which is almost name it. There's a young solid core and he could join the staff in a couple years. I don't really even see him as the type to want to coach.
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Also by getting the max for a guy who plays only 60% of each season and 50% of each playoff, you're really preventing yourself from building that team that is so good that he's just a bonus.
But you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you don't give him the max, someone else almost certainly will, and then you're stuck with nothing. Honestly I think this is the single biggest problem with the NBA- the fact that there's no real sanity to the free agent market. There's just too many teams and not enough impact players to go around, so every halfway decent player gets the max.

I honestly don't know if there's a way to fix it, but I do think it exacerbates the problem that a max contract becomes an albatross on your roster the moment that player isn't playing like a star anymore. I don't like that the system punishes teams so heavily for giving out max contracts when the market is so wacky that you absolutely have to give out max contracts to stay remotely competitive. I think it would make the product a lot better if the league made it easier to move max contracts off the books if a team decides it's in their interest to do so. Bill Simmons had an idea a while back that I thought was really intriguing- make it so that trades only require salaries to match up within 50% instead of 90%. That way nobody is untraceable.
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It's hard to see Dirk interested in going elsewhere and put his neck on the line for another city with zero coaching experience. I'm sure he knows what he has here, which is almost name it. There's a young solid core and he could join the staff in a couple years. I don't really even see him as the type to want to coach.
I agree. Dirk doesnít seem like the type who wants to coach. Iím surprised Nash even asked him tbh. Seems like he would want to be surrounded by experienced coaches. Dirk seems like he would be better suited for an ďambassador of funĒ type role with the Mavs.
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Problem is he got hurt at the worst possible time, and that matters. A healthy KP might get us a game 7 which is the only chance you can ask for. If you look at how badly Denver got their asses beat by the Clips, then you can see the Mavs are better than they should be.
This year he did. Maybe it happens again in the future, but I'm not ready to push the panic button yet. That's all I'm saying.

He's a top 5 big in the league, and if you value effort, he might be #2. Might just be me, but I'm inclined to give him a couple more chances to come through at playoff time.
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Nash as head coach with Dirk as his assistant would be an absolute wet dream of mine. I don't care if it's not for the Mavs. That's Cuban's fault for not seeing this before someone else. Honestly fuck Cuban for not seeing this before someone else.
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Thank you.

I checked around on google to see if I could find any kind of list or study on the injury history of well-over-seven-feet-tall players. I couldn't find anything that specific. All I could find was this wikipedia list- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...iation_history

According to this- assuming it's complete- there have been 26 players in the history of the NBA that were 7'3 or taller. As near as I can tell, Mark Eaton is the only guy on that list who wasn't injury prone.

It may not be a scientific study, but common sense tells me that 25 out of 26 is a trend.
Did you actually look at this list?
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Did you actually look at this list?
Yes. I actually looked at it. Is that actually a question?

Before you chime in about how most of those guys on that list were crap and/or only played a handful of games, that further illustrates my point. Short of studying in detail the non-NBA careers of every single name on that list, I'm just going to go ahead and guess that most of them washed out of the league at least partially because of their health. If you want to pour through every name and study their injury histories, go right ahead.

MFFL above mentioned that most of them were spares (as if that bolsters the argument that there isn't a legitimate health concern.) You asked earlier if there was a difference between 7'0 and 7'2, and how so few people are above 7'2. Well, that's a difference, then, isn't it? There are WAY more players in the NBA today and throughout history that are 7'0 than there are 7'3 and above. And beyond that, there are exponentially more players in the NBA today and throughout history that were actually any f**king good. If there are 26 players in the history of the league 7'3 and above, and if most of them sucked donkey balls so hard at basketball that they never played more than a game or two... well that doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the durabilty of super tall players.

So AT VERY BEST, assuming their health wasn't a factor at all in their failure at basketball, it further reduces the sample size. So then lets look at the guys who actually had careers in the NBA. Again, ALL BUT ONE OF THEM WAS FREQUENTLY INJURED.

So yeah. I looked at the list. You disagree with my analysis? That's perfectly fine. But I'm certain my view is in the majority and is the conventional wisdom.

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Nash as head coach with Dirk as his assistant would be an absolute wet dream of mine. I don't care if it's not for the Mavs. That's Cuban's fault for not seeing this before someone else. Honestly fuck Cuban for not seeing this before someone else.
Wet dream would consist of replacing Rick with Nash/Dirk? Even for nostalgic purposes, Rick actually won a championship with us and has been here over 2x as long.
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Yes. I actually looked at it. Is that actually a question?

Before you chime in about how most of those guys on that list were crap and/or only played a handful of games, that further illustrates my point. Short of studying in detail the non-NBA careers of every single name on that list, I'm just going to go ahead and guess that most of them washed out of the league at least partially because of their health. If you want to pour through every name and study their injury histories, go right ahead.

MFFL above mentioned that most of them were spares (as if that bolsters the argument that there isn't a legitimate health concern.) You asked earlier if there was a difference between 7'0 and 7'2, and how so few people are above 7'2. Well, that's a difference, then, isn't it? There are WAY more players in the NBA today and throughout history that are 7'0 than there are 7'3 and above. And beyond that, there are exponentially more players in the NBA today and throughout history that were actually any f**king good. If there are 26 players in the history of the league 7'3 and above, and if most of them sucked donkey balls so hard at basketball that they never played more than a game or two... well that doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the durabilty of super tall players.

So AT VERY BEST, assuming their health wasn't a factor at all in their failure at basketball, it further reduces the sample size. So then lets look at the guys who actually had careers in the NBA. Again, ALL BUT ONE OF THEM WAS FREQUENTLY INJURED.

So yeah. I looked at the list. You disagree with my analysis? That's perfectly fine. But I'm certain my view is in the majority and is the conventional wisdom.
I only asked, because you threw out the 25 of 26 number as if you had actually looked at those names to see if they had careers elsewhere. Most of those guys maybe just werenít good enough, but we know thatís not a problem for KP. There were also names like Sabonis, who was drafted in 1986, and still played a full season in 2002-2003, and I donít consider someone like Bradley to have had an injury shortened career. I also donít think players like Ming or Muresan or even Bol are useful comparisons. Ming and Muresan have completely different body types, and Bol didnít look like he worked on his body at all.

When I said there arenít that many people over 7í2Ē, I meant in general, not just in the nba. Few of those guys are going to have the athleticism to compete in the nba, partly because height seems to have an inverse relationship with athleticism, so yes most of them are going to suck donkey balls just because of ability. KP is a unicorn. Maybe he can be another Kareem.
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Wet dream would consist of replacing Rick with Nash/Dirk? Even for nostalgic purposes, Rick actually won a championship with us and has been here over 2x as long.
I didnít say it was smart. Just that I want to see it. Even if it doesnít happen in Dallas.
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Nash as head coach with Dirk as his assistant would be an absolute wet dream of mine. I don't care if it's not for the Mavs. That's Cuban's fault for not seeing this before someone else. Honestly fuck Cuban for not seeing this before someone else.
is either a better coach than Carlisle? Probably not....
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