10-09-2018, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
I like the idea of DFS as a 3/D guy. Dude shot 50% in the last game. I'd like that to happen.
Now I just want Matthews to be the same.
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Rick said DFS's playmaking skills are underrated.
Not sure I necessarily agree but I guess I'll take his word on that. But I am more comfortable with him handling the ball than Wes.
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10-09-2018, 02:00 PM
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Rick said DFS's playmaking skills are underrated.
Not sure I necessarily agree but I guess I'll take his word on that. But I am more comfortable with him handling the ball than Wes.
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It's not like Dfs is a much better ball handler, he just doesn't force offense. You wont see him posting up or reaching too far from what he knows he can do
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10-09-2018, 07:01 PM
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It's not like Dfs is a much better ball handler, he just doesn't force offense. You wont see him posting up or reaching too far from what he knows he can do
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That is why I could see him as a nice fit with DSJ, Luka and Barnes if he can become consistent with the 3. He seems to know his limited role and can build on it. We need a Marion/Aminu type to guard wings and he is the closest we have.
He definitely needs a lot of development to be successful in that type of role but so far I like what I see from him.
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10-09-2018, 07:18 PM
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That is why I could see him as a nice fit with DSJ, Luka and Barnes if he can become consistent with the 3. He seems to know his limited role and can build on it. We need a Marion/Aminu type to guard wings and he is the closest we have.
He definitely needs a lot of development to be successful in that type of role but so far I like what I see from him.
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He looks much more confident for sure. It's hard to see Rick benching Wes but if there's a trade it takes that out of his hands
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10-09-2018, 07:53 PM
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Well for his sake I hope he is a much better offensive player than we have seen the last few years. Because Broekhoff can shoot. DFS just needs to hit a wide open spot 3, most likely from the baseline to the break, to be useful because of his versatility on the defensive end. Broekhoff looked super comfortable shooting that top of the key 3 coming off a screen in a full sprint. Just like McBuckets would do, just like we see Redick do all the time, just like any pure shooter does. So that's an entirely different skillset that DFS will never have. And if DFS still passes up open looks and shoots sub 30% he's going to lose mins to Broekhoff imo. And Kleber should already be taking any mins available at the backup 4 with how he has looked. Not to mention Barnes when the lineup dictates. Barring a trade I could see DFS losing mins quickly if his shot hasn't improved.
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10-10-2018, 05:42 AM
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Well for his sake I hope he is a much better offensive player than we have seen the last few years. Because Broekhoff can shoot. DFS just needs to hit a wide open spot 3, most likely from the baseline to the break, to be useful because of his versatility on the defensive end. Broekhoff looked super comfortable shooting that top of the key 3 coming off a screen in a full sprint. Just like McBuckets would do, just like we see Redick do all the time, just like any pure shooter does. So that's an entirely different skillset that DFS will never have. And if DFS still passes up open looks and shoots sub 30% he's going to lose mins to Broekhoff imo. And Kleber should already be taking any mins available at the backup 4 with how he has looked. Not to mention Barnes when the lineup dictates. Barring a trade I could see DFS losing mins quickly if his shot hasn't improved.
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Completely agree about Broek and DFS, if DFS can't spread the floor he is worthless to us and we need to move on.
I love Broek and think he'll spread the floor well but just think we need a stud wing defender to help limit the amount of defensive energy exertion by what I consider our new big 3 (DSJ/Luka/Barnes) and DFS could be the best fit on our roster if he is able to spread the floor. That will take some time because opposing teams will need to respect that and he'll need to show he is consistent. I'm hoping he can eventually fill an Ariza type role on this team.
But I do agree that Broek is our McDermott replacement and should see plenty of time. Wouldn't surprise me if him and DFS play a lot together because they would somewhat compliment each other.
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10-10-2018, 09:43 AM
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Broek's strength is terrible and limits his ability to defend and rebound. DFS has been an impressive defensive piece.
Reminds me of the center by committee we used to have. Wish we could put Broek's shooting into DFS's body.
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10-10-2018, 04:01 PM
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PPG is swayed a little by the fact that we played China one game. They played good defense in one half and fell apart in the second.
Still, that 3pt% and As% is stellar.
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10-10-2018, 04:49 PM
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Powell did an admiral job against Embiid. His biggest issue that basically holds back his ability to take a step forward is his lack of BBIQ. He'll be a very good backup center to Jordan though with Dirk out.
DFS finally doesn't look like a division 2 player. He might have to start over Barnes as well since it's looking doubtful that Barnes makes the opener.
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10-10-2018, 04:50 PM
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Looks like a lot of people here enjoy banging on DFS. I'd just like to point out that he missed 61 games last year with his injury. He is barely more than a rookie. He's spent a lot of time working on his jump shot and Rick says he's pretty consistent in practice. I'd suggest cutting him some slack until we see if he can translate it to games.
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10-10-2018, 04:58 PM
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Looks like a lot of people here enjoy banging on DFS. I'd just like to point out that he missed 61 games last year with his injury. He is barely more than a rookie. He's spent a lot of time working on his jump shot and Rick says he's pretty consistent in practice. I'd suggest cutting him some slack until we see if he can translate it to games.
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He played 81 games before last season. He isn't a rookie. This is his 3rd year in the NBA.
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10-10-2018, 07:38 PM
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Looks like a lot of people here enjoy banging on DFS. I'd just like to point out that he missed 61 games last year with his injury. He is barely more than a rookie. He's spent a lot of time working on his jump shot and Rick says he's pretty consistent in practice. I'd suggest cutting him some slack until we see if he can translate it to games.
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I think many of us are on the fence with DFS. Rick has given him a longer leash than many other young players in the past few years and it is time for him show he is a NBA caliber player.
His shot looks much better and he seems to be developing pretty well although it is slow due to his injuries. I'd love to see Rick give him a good look early on by giving him a good chunk of Wes' minutes to determine if he is a good fit and can add value to our starting lineup. If he isn't able to spread the floor then he is virtually worthless to us because one dimensional defensive wings are a dime a dozen.
He needs to become a legit 3-d starting caliber player or we need to move on from him imo.
If that is banging on him then so be it.
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10-10-2018, 07:49 PM
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He played 81 games before last season. He isn't a rookie. This is his 3rd year in the NBA.
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One year plus 21 games. So he's played a season and a quarter. Barely more than a rookie.
I can recall hating on JJB well into his third season. If Rick had flushed him when I wanted him to, he would not have been around to bring the Lakers to their knees. Not to mention doing what Steve Nash could not...force Mike Bibby to sit down, while he started and helped beat the Heat.
I felt much the same about Devin Harris' rookie season. Then his speed proved the undoing of the Spurs in one of the greatest series in Mavs history in 2006.
Then there's guys like Roddy, who never stop disappointing. And guys like Aminu, who's shot didn't come around until after the Mavs dumped him.
Wouldn't it be fun if, a few years from now, DFS was the key to the 2nd championship? As JJB proved, anything is possibe, and Carlisle does have a clue.
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10-10-2018, 08:44 PM
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Wouldn't it be fun if, a few years from now, DFS was the key to the 2nd championship? As JJB proved, anything is possibe, and Carlisle does have a clue.
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We have a semi-youth movement going on here and I'd like to see DFS become part of that but only if he fills a vital 3-D need. I like Wes but will be completely frustrated if he gets heavy minutes early on while DFS sits.
Bottom line for me is a starting lineup of DSJ/Luka/3-D Guy/Barnes/DJ. Personally I'd rather take a chance on compromising a few games early on developing DFS exclusively as a 3-D guy than watch a 31 yo Wes try to be a goto guy on this team for 35 minutes a game but being slotted in that 3-D role.
Wes is at a point in his career where he should be limited to a similar role as Stevenson had on our 2011 championship team if he is going to be in our starting lineup.
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10-11-2018, 11:38 AM
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Kostas and Broek both down with the flu
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10-11-2018, 03:01 PM
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Kostas and Broek both down with the flu
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Probably from getting the flu shot.
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10-12-2018, 09:25 AM
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Game day! Last preseason game
Fully expecting a loss. Couple guys out with the flu and the team is still recovering from jet lag
But it will be broadcast at a reasonable time so I’ll be watching
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10-12-2018, 10:40 AM
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Game day! Last preseason game
Fully expecting a loss. Couple guys out with the flu and the team is still recovering from jet lag
But it will be broadcast at a reasonable time so I’ll be watching
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Will it be NBA TV or FSSW?
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10-12-2018, 11:53 AM
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Will it be NBA TV or FSSW?
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FSSW, League Pass, and Mavs.com I think
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10-12-2018, 04:26 PM
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@ESefko: Dwight Powell (right knee) is out tonight for Mavericks. Rick Carlisle says Powell is "OK."
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10-12-2018, 05:00 PM
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@ESefko: Dwight Powell (right knee) is out tonight for Mavericks. Rick Carlisle says Powell is "OK."
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Means we'll see more Kleber which is fine with me. This is one of the first teams in a while where a few injuries doesn't mean change the channel.
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10-12-2018, 05:05 PM
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Its not showing up on my League Pass program guide. Maybe its on-line, but not on Dish.
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10-12-2018, 05:08 PM
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Its not showing up on my League Pass program guide. Maybe its on-line, but not on Dish.
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yeah League Pass is super spotty for preseason.
It will at least be easily streamable if you are local and FSSW or if you are willing to run through a computer from Mavs.com or whatnot
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10-12-2018, 06:14 PM
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any stream? thanks!!
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10-12-2018, 06:26 PM
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can't find anything!
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10-12-2018, 07:36 PM
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If Luka can shoot 40%+ from three, this team is going to be competitive
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10-12-2018, 07:38 PM
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Luka is already our best player and Matthews sucks ass. That's about all I have to contribute right now.
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10-12-2018, 07:42 PM
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Luka tearing it up with passes
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10-12-2018, 07:43 PM
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Good shit from Luka. You saw the lob coming and nobody could stop it. DJ went up so quick. Not used to seeing a center do that
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10-12-2018, 07:54 PM
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10-12-2018, 08:04 PM
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Barea playing pretty bad here.
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10-12-2018, 08:19 PM
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this team is now bad at 2nd and 4th quarters
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10-12-2018, 09:09 PM
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I'm still not sure why people are high on Brunson? What am I missing?
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10-12-2018, 09:38 PM
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https://streamable.com/neh3d
Loved this play by Luka. He had a number of really slick plays tonight. This one I really wish got converted.
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10-12-2018, 09:41 PM
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I'm still not sure why people are high on Brunson? What am I missing?
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I liked the pick when we took him if we had gotten rid of some of our guards. We lost Yogi so I was good with it. He hasn't been particularly good though. He had one good game in China but so far SL and preseason combined he's been a disappointment for sure. More surprised by his shot being so off. He's been pretty bad at ft's so maybe it's nerves... which I didn't think would be the case with him in preseason. If anything his ceiling isn't as high but his floor should be better than what he has shown imo.
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10-12-2018, 09:48 PM
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I'm still not sure why people are high on Brunson? What am I missing?
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I liked the pick when we took him if we had gotten rid of some of our guards. We lost Yogi so I was good with it. He hasn't been particularly good though. He had one good game in China but so far SL and preseason combined he's been a disappointment for sure. More surprised by his shot being so off. He's been pretty bad at ft's so maybe it's nerves... which I didn't think would be the case with him in preseason. If anything his ceiling isn't as high but his floor should be better than what he has shown imo.
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He hasn't looked so good so far, but a lot of rookies don't. If he's still bricking his shots like this in a year then I'll be worried... Give him time, there are plenty of players who start off slow then start finding their groove later.
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10-12-2018, 10:28 PM
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I want to give a shout out to RC's wet dream lineup that we saw. The one with Deandre plus ... DSJ JJ Devin Luka. No idea what their net rating was but RC must have been perky about that one.
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10-12-2018, 11:17 PM
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I'm still not sure why people are high on Brunson? What am I missing?
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Most rookies start out awful
Dirk couldn’t score a point for a good while
Brunson is just going to take time.
Or he’ll be terrible
I just haven’t seen much yet
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