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Old 01-23-2019, 01:19 PM   #401
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Lodge 49 on AMC (well, Hulu for me) was a surprisingly weird and delightful show.
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Thanks Erica...may have to check that out. I'm not familiar with most the cast which is a good thing...
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Has any show dropped off in writing and quality the way that Game of Thrones has the past two seasons?
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Has any show dropped off in writing and quality the way that Game of Thrones has the past two seasons?
I was talking about that a couple of days ago. The last season and a half have been so poorly written... The show is now basically akin to a Michael Bay Transformers movie... Yeah, it's still entertaining, but check your brain at the door.
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Has any show dropped off in writing and quality the way that Game of Thrones has the past two seasons?
It's been subpar in 7 and 8, but most of it I could forgive.

The last episode...4...flushed the entire show down the toilet. I really never knew it could be that terrible. The writers should be banned from ever writing again. That's how bad it was.
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They realize they had a cash cow and put it on cruise control while working to develop future series...
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*SPOILERS*


GOT writers: Let's create a different female character that breaks chains, frees slaves, and sees the good in people for 6 seasons. One that will transcend any character we've seen before.

GOT writers: Well we did that...now let's make her a maniac and murder everyone. Genius.

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D&D again showing they have ZERO talent after they ran out of books...

Turned the whole stuff in some Michael Bay Bullshit, all about action and optics
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Turned the whole stuff in some Michael Bay Bullshit, all about action and optics
Agreed. This season has not been good at all. Itís all visual effects.
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I'm fine with a visual effects shift if they stay true to the characters, but they've gone against what so many were built up for 6 seasons. Tyrion being the worst. None of them are genuine character arcs that I just "disagree" with either. It's all lazy writing.
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I'm fine with a visual effects shift if they stay true to the characters, but they've gone against what so many were built up for 6 seasons. Tyrion being the worst. None of them are genuine character arcs that I just "disagree" with either. It's all lazy writing.
Oh I agree. I have no problem with the visual effects. Writing has been trash. Viewers donít want it to end. Nor does the media or HBO. Only the showrunners appear to be done with it. In the process they donít seem to mind diminishing so many major story lines or destroying small ones.
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GOT writers: Let's create a different female character that breaks chains, frees slaves, and sees the good in people for 6 seasons. One that will transcend any character we've seen before.

GOT writers: Well we did that...now let's make her a maniac and murder everyone. Genius.

Queue toilet flush.
@OMaddy2593: Bran’s Vision In season 4 of a Dragon flying over Kings Landing

Daenerys’ vision of her in the Red Keep In season 2

I don’t see how y’all shocked that Dany sacked the city



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I donít see how yíall shocked that Dany sacked the city



Remember when Luke entered the cave and saw that he became Darth Vader? Did he become Darth Vader? No because the writing wasn't terrible.

They rub Dany and the possibility of her becoming her father throughout the entire series. The entire idea would be that she is something different. Her becoming the mad queen just erases seasons of build up because they want to get the show over with. And even if they wanted to go that ridiculously obvious direction, then they should handled it a lot better.
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I don't have a problem with the Dany arc. I do have a problem with much of the writing though..

I thought all of the main characters surviving battling against the White Walkers in Winterfell was silly. I like Arya's heroics, but, again, thought it was portrayed in the a silly manner. The young girl that killed the dead giant.. The giant wouldn't have held her up and looked at her..she would have been swatted away like a fly and killed or she would have just been squished. Dany losing a dragon from being shot down... Ever since Snow was rescued when surrounded north of the wall last season, I've just felt that the writing had been taking too many liberties to make things look cool. I don't have a problem with Dany going crazy. She's always seemed a bit on the edge to me.
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That was how many season ago? She grew up and just last season said "I am not here to be the queen of ashes."

Here the Ringer explains it pretty well...https://www.theringer.com/game-of-th...de-5-mad-queen
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I can't even begin to express my disappointment in seasons 7 & 8 of GoT. I don't know if it's time or money constraints but the underlying issue is the writers/ HBO have rushed the show resulting in clunky writing more interested in resolution than depth and nuance. Characters are unrecognizable. The show went from smart to stupid quicker than any show in recent history.
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That was how many season ago? She grew up and just last season said "I am not here to be the queen of ashes."
She was parroting Tyrion's exact words when she said that -- right after he talked her out of torching King's Landing... But then she lost faith in Tyrion. And Jorah died. Then Missandei. And Varys betrayed her... So basically everyone whose guidance had kept her from going full Mad Queen in Essos was lost to her in Westeros... With no nurture, she fell back on her nature -- and her nature is blood & fire, as she has pointed out all throughout this series.
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Don't attack me, but I actually like season 8 so far.

Season 7 was unbelievably stupid. It seems like they needed to develop characters in season 7 so they could pay them off in season 8, but instead just stood there doing jazz hands for an entire season instead. My only complaint about season 8 is how sudden and rushed it feels and I think a lot of that has to do with how they didn't continue laying a foundation for it in season 7
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I've said this many times... Somewhere along the way (I believe in season 7), the show went from being a well crafted drama to turning into an entertaining but dumb Michael Bay movie. No, the series wasn't rushed. I also believe that too many involved were busy trying to turn their GoT success into their next big project instead of actually finishing out the series at a high level.
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She was parroting Tyrion's exact words when she said that -- right after he talked her out of torching King's Landing... But then she lost faith in Tyrion. And Jorah died. Then Missandei. And Varys betrayed her... So basically everyone whose guidance had kept her from going full Mad Queen in Essos was lost to her in Westeros... With no nurture, she fell back on her nature -- and her nature is blood & fire, as she has pointed out all throughout this series.
I can easily pull many more examples of how she had changed as a character like her telling Yara she can no longer rape or pillage. The simply fact is there was very little motivation from the giant massacre. She's always been vengeful against her enemies but not against innocent civilians. And she could have just done it all last season with a single dragon.

To be fair, the show isn't terrible now just because of her though. They've poorly mismanaged Jamie, Tyrion, Jon, etc.
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Can't find a better explanation to why so many are upset over mad Dany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mlNyqhnc1M
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Drogon for the win.
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All the smart characters peaced out of that continent.
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What a horrible ending to an otherwise incredible show.
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So the Stark Direwolves were actually spoilers the whole time??

Jon / Ghost - He’s not really there anymore. He’s just gone.
Sansa / Lady - Queen of the North!
Arya / Nymeria - A fierce warrior who sailed the seas.
Bran / Summer - The enemy of Winter. A season of renewal.
Rob / Grey Wind - Quick, powerful but cannot sustain.
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Rickon / Shaggy Dog - in literature a Shaggy Dog is an extremely long-winded anecdote characterized by extensive narration of typically irrelevant incidents and terminated by an anticlimax.
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I'd probably call it a really mediocre last two seasons. I didn't mind the final episode.... I certainly didn't mind Dany going mad. She had shown signs of being a bit out of control ever since she gained power..
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I'd probably call it a really mediocre last two seasons. I didn't mind the final episode.... I certainly didn't mind Dany going mad. She had shown signs of being a bit out of control ever since she gained power..
Yeah parts of season 8 were good. Definitely got back to what made it good (in parts). Still some awful

Just felt really rushed and some characters took turns that weren't necessarily bad, but just seemed illogical without the time to develop them (Tyrion's crush on Dany, everything Jaime-Brienne, Dany going from kinda wicked to full monster, etc.)

I think it was mostly sunk by season 7 basically being written by a bunch of writers with the idea that they needed big action to keep people interested while really just treading water for an entire season. If they had actually progressed the plot and developed characters last season, this season could have been okay.

Still a lot of foreshadowing that never paid off (Night King mythos, R+L=J, etc.), but it would have felt more earned
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I think it was mostly sunk by season 7 basically being written by a bunch of writers with the idea that they needed big action to keep people interested without actually progressing the plot. If they had actually progressed the plot and developed characters last season, this season could have been okay.
I think they were inevitably going to run into this problem because the show was slow for too long. It needed to better balance the action/talking throughout the series. They tried to build up too many plot/character storylines and obviously didn't have the time or resources to fully develop them.

So they did a complete reversal of the show which was never going to work when you decide to throw characters and plot out the window. There are so many irrational choices made in these last two seasons that it just gives you a headache.
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Yeah parts of season 8 were good. Definitely got back to what made it good (in parts). Still some awful

Just felt really rushed and some characters took turns that weren't necessarily bad, but just seemed illogical without the time to develop them (Tyrion's crush on Dany, everything Jaime-Brienne, Dany going from kinda wicked to full monster, etc.)

I think it was mostly sunk by season 7 basically being written by a bunch of writers with the idea that they needed big action to keep people interested while really just treading water for an entire season. If they had actually progressed the plot and developed characters last season, this season could have been okay.

Still a lot of foreshadowing that never paid off (Night King mythos, R+L=J, etc.), but it would have felt more earned
I see a lot of people saying that the show was rushed.. At first, I thought people were just saying that they rushed getting the show to TV...but, it's obvious that many meant that they simply rushed ending it. With that, I can agree. They obviously didn't rush getting it to TV..It took far too long. And to me, the biggest issue was the plot holes. Plot holes that you could drive a truck through.. It went from becoming a brilliant TV show to a really dumb TV show. I guess that happened in large part because they advanced beyond the writings of Martin.. But they'd done ok when they'd veered from his writing earlier in the series. Again, I think they had already started trying to turn their GoT success into their next payday. wanting to get something else in the development stages prior to finishing up GoT.

You're right. The Brienne/Jaime thing was silly. It was as if they were trying to appease a certain demographic of women.. I won't say which demographic, but it's obvious that this was done not to advance the story but to appease a group which always rubs me the wrong way. Either it occurs and feels organic or it shouldn't be in the show.

As for Dany going psycho.. I didn't have a problem with it, but yes, that plotline should have been developed more along the way.

I really liked the show on the whole.. But I've gone from wanting to re-watch the entire series about half way through the final season to being glad that it's over with..
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Dany becoming mad Dany to the point that Jon has to kill her, must have been Martinís idea for the story from the beginning, right? I know that HBO has been writing the last couple of seasons, but they wouldnít have made that part up, right? Did anyone actually think that Martinís idea was that Dany would liberate the world, and she would be pinning medals on Jon and Tyrion like they were Luke Skywalker and r2d2?
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Dany becoming mad Dany to the point that Jon has to kill her, must have been Martin’s idea for the story from the beginning, right? I know that HBO has been writing the last couple of seasons, but they wouldn’t have made that part up, right? Did anyone actually think that Martin’s idea was that Dany would liberate the world, and she would be pinning medals on Jon and Tyrion like they were Luke Skywalker and r2d2?


I agree that Dany was never meant to be the hero that everyone made her out to be, but I was hoping for a little character development and nuance. Instead she went mad with rage and acted completely out of character.

I think a better way to play it would have been the following: (SPOILER ALERT)


-Dany finds out Jon is a Targaryen first. Sam tells Jorah while Jorah is at Maester Uni being treated, and Jorah tells Dany. This sets up the conflict between Dany's love for Jon and her ruthless desire to rule
-Dany keeps Sam from telling Jon by sending assassins who kill Sam before he can inform Jon
-Dany thinks all is clear not knowing Bran knows
-During the Battle, shit's getting wild and Bran realizes they're on the brink of losing, he goes back in time to warn Aerys Targaryen about the white walker threat
-Bran makes Aerys go mad similar to way he made Hodor go made... we see Bran is responsible for turning Aerys into the "Mad King"
-Bran comes back to the Battle of Winterfell, he sees the night king, he goes into the past one more time warging into the man the children of the forest turned into the Night King to warn the children of the forest... Bran becomes stuck in this body
-Jon begins to battle the Night King and is on the verge of death when a white walker comes up from behind and murders the night king, this white walker is actually Arya wearing a face
-Bran is in a coma never to return
-We see someone Sam trusted receiving a raven noting that in case anything should happen to him, tell Jon he is actually a Targaryen



p.s. these are not all my original ideas, some definitely came from Youtubers who I can't remember at the moment
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