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Old 10-18-2018, 12:00 AM   #161
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Teams that play overseas in preseason do terribly in the first five games on average. Even the Warriors started their season 2-3 after playing in Asia.
Teams that played the preseason in China are 1-9 so far... And that win came against another team who played overseas, so 1-9 is as bad as you can possibly get.
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Key was a slow start and bad 3-pt defense tonight.

DFS: Great overall game imho, made some plays on defense
DJ: Decent showing, but didn't provide the interior presence we hoped he would
Luka: Looked tired in the 2nd half, could do much. 10-8-4 is still a decent line, but has to watch TOs
DSJ: Rough shooting night, some poor decisions. He missed some bunnies at the rim, that didn't help his confidence.
Wesley: For whatever reason we still run offense through him. About time Barnes gets back.
Bench: Kleber and Powell played good. JJB with a nice stat-line as well, but didn't feel like he had that huge of an impact tbh.
Disagree about JJ. I thought he was the main reason they made it back to a real game.

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I'm old enough to remember when the score was 96-92 with 6:30 left in the game... You have to unravel pretty hard to finish 121-100.
That they did. Even JJ missed a layup and a FT. You name it...they did it. Turnovers, missed shots, blown defense. And somehow the Suns couldn't miss even when the Mavs did cover them.
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Powell was great.

Dfs kleber and barea had good games.

Luka got tired or lost some confidence in the 2nd half. His game changed noticably
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Really think foul trouble early hurt Doncic. He started off 3-5 shooting and 3 assists in the first 6 mins or so. He would go on to shoot 2-11 after that with 1 assist and 4 turnovers.

Dsj shoots more pull up 3's that hit only backboard then anyone who shoots them regularly ever should. And the worst part is he can take every one of those Suns defenders off the dribble any time he wants.

Deandre rebounded well, but I can't really judge his rim protection considering he was trying to stay close to Ayton and Suns penetrated at will all night with how super ass our perimeter d is... speaking of...

Our perimeter defense is still absolutely the worst. Rotations are bad, can't keep defenders in front. Wide open 3's for everyone.. more of the same as the last few years.

Wes made some plays in the post and late he finally hit one jumper. Don't want to bag on him but a 3 and d player who doesn't play great d and can't hit the 3 is pretty useless. Especially when you add in he still likes to play like he's a point forward.

I'm sure playing in China had it's role, but that was still really bad. Charlotte hit 19 3's on us as well. We better hope that's because of the travel and not because we have the worst perimeter defense again.

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Old 10-18-2018, 12:19 AM   #166
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That Asia trip is a reasonable argument. Especially Dennis looked like trash. Amazingly we still scored 100 while playing really bad.
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Guys, I am even more hyped now about Doncic.
He did good even though his shooting was catastrophic. He played with his head. The hype will settle down, he and other guys will get some rest from the jet lag and things will move on.
Next time Doncic will be a machine. Count on that. And Mavs with him.

We could all see what Igor Kokoskov Sun's coach did last year for Slovenian Euro gold. He is a brilliant coach. Hope that Cuban has set his target on him.

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Luka looked great before the foul trouble, not worried there. DSJ though... You would expect more from him after a strong preseason.
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Luka was electric in the first quarter. Not worried about him at all. Everyone has been saying it, he's out of shape. He was gassed in the second half. He'll be fine in a couple months once he gets into NBA shape.

Dennis was bad. He needs to show something this year to avoid becoming the next Emmanuel Mudiay. Still not close to giving up on him after one game though. On to the next.

I have to say I may have been wrong Brunson. He looks like he belongs and will be a solid player for a long time. Seems like a Mavs kind of guy. Takes a charge. Hits a 3. Does good things. Spiritual successor to Harris/Barea.

DFS, Kleber, and Powell were all solid. Broekhoff can shoot it. I'd like to see them stick around.

Can't wait for Wes to be off the team. Harris should retire after this year.
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I have to say I may have been wrong Brunson. He looks like he belongs and will be a solid player for a long time. Seems like a Mavs kind of guy. Takes a charge. Hits a 3. Does good things. Spiritual successor to Harris/Barea.
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I guarantee you that everyone will just love Wes once he actually plays the role he should. All those feeds into the post you saw today will go to Barnes and Dirk instead. And all the "playmaking" you witnessed will eventually belong to DSJ and Luka. The reason why he's not your Twitter darling is because he's been asked to do more stuff than he's capable off. He's going to become a great 3&D guy for this year's team.
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I guarantee you that everyone will just love Wes once he actually plays the role he should. All those feeds into the post you saw today will go to Barnes and Dirk instead. And all the "playmaking" you witnessed will eventually belong to DSJ and Luka. The reason why he's not your Twitter darling is because he's been asked to do more stuff than he's capable off. He's going to become a great 3&D guy for this year's team.
Yeah, problem is he still thinks he is the same borderline all-star guy he was in Portland. He doesn't play his role because he wants a bigger role, and that is the issue. And of course RC lets him, because he loves veterans.

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Top 5 right?

Here's hoping we don't get the 6th pick.
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I guarantee you that everyone will just love Wes once he actually plays the role he should. All those feeds into the post you saw today will go to Barnes and Dirk instead. And all the "playmaking" you witnessed will eventually belong to DSJ and Luka. The reason why he's not your Twitter darling is because he's been asked to do more stuff than he's capable off. He's going to become a great 3&D guy for this year's team.
Meh, people have been saying that for years. I'll be glad when he's gone.

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It'll be interesting to see if this was the right move as the season goes on because I still haven't seen anything from Brunson yet.
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I guarantee you that everyone will just love Wes once he actually plays the role he should. All those feeds into the post you saw today will go to Barnes and Dirk instead. And all the "playmaking" you witnessed will eventually belong to DSJ and Luka. The reason why he's not your Twitter darling is because he's been asked to do more stuff than he's capable off. He's going to become a great 3&D guy for this year's team.
This is a terrible guarantee. He has been here a while now and no one has been in love with Wes. He came here and started reaching way too far outside of what he was good at and now he's not near as good at what those few things were. It's hard to not like him off the court, but on the court it's clear everyone has had enough of him. Saying he has been asked to too more than what he's capable of is blaming MBT, Rick and everyone but Wes. There's no way Rick is going to chew him out for not taking a post position or trying to beat another guard off the dribble. The only thing he would get on to Wes for is not taking open shots. He gets blown by off the dribble and backdoor cuts and lost on screens way too often to be considered a 3 and "D" guy.

IF he spent more energy running off screens, weaving his way around the floor to get open shots (like JJ Reddick) it wouldn't be hard for people to get back to appreciating him. That's where his efforts should be. He can often be seen standing around the perimeter, not moving the ball or making bad passes, and trying to post up defenders without a clear advantage.
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The big thing to watch is whether Doncic and Smith can co-exist. They obviously have plenty of time to make it work, but it's something that many of us mentioned when the idea of drafting Luka came about.

Not worried right now, obviously. That stupid China trip was a waste of a preseason...especially without Barnes.

It's better to lose now and learn versus starting off great and then tapering off. Just improve game by game.
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I don't buy into the China trip conspiracy, not even half way. We played the 76ers twice there, it's not like we went there and played the Ducks all 3 games. We then came back and played the Hornets at home. 4 days off before the opener, it's not like these guys aren't used to the travelling.
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I don't buy into the China trip conspiracy, not even half way. We played the 76ers twice there, it's not like we went there and played the Ducks all 3 games. We then came back and played the Hornets at home. 4 days off before the opener, it's not like these guys aren't used to the travelling.
Doncic mentioned how tough the jet lag was right before the Charlotte game. Remember that it's lag there AND back...so basically your entire preseason was playing/practicing with it.

Obviously there are no excuses when you lose, but it's still a factor IMO.
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Doncic mentioned how tough the jet lag was right before the Charlotte game. Remember that it's lag there AND back...so basically your entire preseason was playing/practicing with it.

Obviously there are no excuses when you lose, but it's still a factor IMO.
Yea I just find it hard to believe that they weren't good to go for last night. Most of these guys are in a plane more than they're in a car.

Regardless, the way the Suns shot the ball especially from 3 last night, even with Barnes and Dirk we still lose that game.
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I think we win with Barnes in the starting lineup. That really changes both starting offense and makes the bench even better with DFS adding defense to it.

I was hoping to see a second year improved DSJ but that game was really hard to watch. I don't see any change from last year to this game. Bad decisions and shooting form. He's the tools, but doesn't seem to make the right decision at the right time. He would drive into the lane and then look to pass instead of making the 3 foot shot. Maybe it is jet lag or something but I hope that's just first game jitters and we move up from here.

Bench looked really solid with Powel, JJB, and Kleber. It will be even better with DFS and Dirk. Our starting lineup just needs to be full strength and gel, then we can start talking about possibly making the playoffs.

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DSJ just didn't seem aggressive and smooth like he was in preseason. We were close and I think as they figure a few things out, the team will be fine.

I dont even remember DSJ taking so many shots. BUT his prolonged time off the floor was interesting.
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Remember back when we were a playoff team and had nights like this? I'm not worried but the lineups and the play making needs some tweaking. I did come into the game a little nervous for an outcome like this but the good flashes we saw were glorious. They just need more time to adjust against better competition. When you have Booker and Jackson going Golden State mode then that's pretty tough to stop.

In pre-season we did see DSJ and Luka co-exist but a bad night like this is were I finally see "some" concern. Coaching and chemistry still has time to grow so I won't sweat it but wow DSJ threw up some bad shots. I'm shocked that Luka air balled those few times but he was gassed, I can't blame him for trying to make something happen on a bad shooting night. Shooters will shoot, at least he made plays in other areas.

I can't stand Wes at this point but he should come off the bench until we trade him. If Dirk is going to be out then put Maxi in his place in the starting lineup. I got off the idea of trading for Jimmy Butler after his whole fiasco but jeez I think we could use someone like him. We can't get punked around out there. We'll see how Barnes fits when he returns. I'm glad the bench has been pretty consistent so far, need more Bro raining 3's.
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This is a terrible guarantee. He has been here a while now and no one has been in love with Wes. He came here and started reaching way too far outside of what he was good at and now he's not near as good at what those few things were. It's hard to not like him off the court, but on the court it's clear everyone has had enough of him. Saying he has been asked to too more than what he's capable of is blaming MBT, Rick and everyone but Wes. There's no way Rick is going to chew him out for not taking a post position or trying to beat another guard off the dribble. The only thing he would get on to Wes for is not taking open shots. He gets blown by off the dribble and backdoor cuts and lost on screens way too often to be considered a 3 and "D" guy.

IF he spent more energy running off screens, weaving his way around the floor to get open shots (like JJ Reddick) it wouldn't be hard for people to get back to appreciating him. That's where his efforts should be. He can often be seen standing around the perimeter, not moving the ball or making bad passes, and trying to post up defenders without a clear advantage.
This has been my criticism of Wes for years now. Terribly overrated defender, especially off-ball. He's careless and a ball watcher, you can bet teams scouting reports say you can back-door him all day...it keeps happening.

I thought the entire effort was rather lackluster. Maybe they are a little jet lagged? Not to make excuses, but there was a severe lack of energy. Missing Barnes and Dirk hurts alot too.
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DSJ looked terrible last night. Still waiting for the game to "slow down" for him. And he still seems to shoot the ball differently every time. No consistency. Its like the bad habits crept their way back in after a rough start and he was pressing. Worry that he's not a real point guard? As far as feel for the game is concerned. I never feel like he's quarterbacking things when I watch him-- even when he's playing well. Kind of the anti-Kidd. Though he was doing a nice job of playing the passing lanes with active hands on defense. But then fell asleep on the weak side leading to lots of open 3's.

I know its one game. Not expecting Dennis to solve it all at once. And we are missing floor spacers. Interesting to see how the offense operates with Dirk's gravity opening lanes.

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DFS's stroke looked great! And he and Powell were both able to put the ball on the floor and get to the rim. I was positively giddy. Good to see summer work pay off.
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I think last night was as much about our first team working together as it was about being young or about being jetlagged.

Our second unit-- guys who had been on the team together for a while functioned as they should have. They did really well. Kleber was great. Barea was good enough. Powell looked strong.

Our first unit just has no idea how to play together and that is going to take time. We ran offense and defense hesitantly. Doncic looked good, but Doncic and Smith didn't have a single 24 seconds where they looked comfortable playing together in the same lineup. Smith started off by not even touching the ball for more than three minutes and when he finally got the ball, he never got it where he was comfortable and the ball rarely travelled between them. Screens were bad and the two guys just didn't play well together.

Their offense never really congealed this game, but their defense did get better and less hesitant. The problem is that the NBA is about rhythm and confidence and we'd already let them settle in so even when we played better, they were still hitting ridiculous shots.

This is going to take time. The good news is that the second unit has only played together for a season and yet are really well gelled. They aren't that talented, but Barea, Kleber, Powell, and others actually played up to their potential. It is totally expected that the new lineup would struggle, particularly after having even fewer practices and preseason games, but it's going to be painful watching them for a while.

I just don't understand people who are doom and gloom right now and talking about how we're the worst team in the league. We all knew that adding another ball handler, a new center, and moving our second-year guy to a new role in the offense was going to take growth.
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Well you have your PF as your pg, and your pg who can't play off the ball. If Smith doesn't learn how to play off the ball, then we have troubles. And the big reason he has trouble with it is his lack of consistent shooting. Once his shooting is fixed, then he'll have a much easier time in this league.

It's easy to overreact after a bad loss when we've waited so long for the season to start. I think we'll do well against the Wolves on saturday.
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Well you have your PF as your pg, and your pg who can't play off the ball. If Smith doesn't learn how to play off the ball, then we have troubles. And the big reason he has trouble with it is his lack of consistent shooting. Once his shooting is fixed, then he'll have a much easier time in this league.

It's easy to overreact after a bad loss when we've waited so long for the season to start. I think we'll do well against the Wolves on saturday.
Mostly because the Wolves are terrible, but yeah.

I would also argue that Smith isn't going to be predominantly off the ball like a traditional SG. Carlisle likes two creators in a fluid offense. Smith is still playing point-- just one of the points instead of the only one.

Then again, Smith didn't look good in either role-- with the ball creating OR off the ball. Dude showed absolutely nothing last night other than some break-away dunks that anyone not named Matthews could have done. I'm going to chalk it up to just having a bad game, though.
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I think last night was as much about our first team working together as it was about being young or about being jetlagged.

Our second unit-- guys who had been on the team together for a while functioned as they should have. They did really well. Kleber was great. Barea was good enough. Powell looked strong.

Our first unit just has no idea how to play together and that is going to take time. We ran offense and defense hesitantly. Doncic looked good, but Doncic and Smith didn't have a single 24 seconds where they looked comfortable playing together in the same lineup. Smith started off by not even touching the ball for more than three minutes and when he finally got the ball, he never got it where he was comfortable and the ball rarely travelled between them. Screens were bad and the two guys just didn't play well together.

Their offense never really congealed this game, but their defense did get better and less hesitant. The problem is that the NBA is about rhythm and confidence and we'd already let them settle in so even when we played better, they were still hitting ridiculous shots.

This is going to take time. The good news is that the second unit has only played together for a season and yet are really well gelled. They aren't that talented, but Barea, Kleber, Powell, and others actually played up to their potential. It is totally expected that the new lineup would struggle, particularly after having even fewer practices and preseason games, but it's going to be painful watching them for a while.

I just don't understand people who are doom and gloom right now and talking about how we're the worst team in the league. We all knew that adding another ball handler, a new center, and moving our second-year guy to a new role in the offense was going to take growth.


It honestly may take them until around the All Star break before we starting any real chemistry with that 1st unit.

Dennis needs to learn to set his feet and square up when he shoots. He was all over the place with his mechanics last night. Also they need to work on their spacing. There were several times last night where there were multiple guys around the person with ball. If Someone has the ball donít crowd him, move away from him to draw the defenders away.

Loved Kleberís game last night. Heís big and has a knack for just being able to get in peopleís way. Every time he went into the game they were able to cut into that lead.

The season is long so I expect we will see a lot of games where they play better than they did last night.
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Well Sixers looked a lot better tonight so maybe the China thing only lasts 1 game.
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I think the biggest issue with that game was having both Wes and DFS in the starting lineup. Either/or but not both. Neither of them draw good defenders and that exposed DSJ and Luka imo.

Barnes is a huge piece to our starting lineup and I honestly think if Rick would go with DSJ/DFS/Barnes/Luka/DJ we'd have great balance/chemistry and jackrabbit starts to games. I love Wes but it is getting extremely painful to watch him play....especially in the starting lineup.

I think we'll be fine when Barnes becomes fully healthy.

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To quote Lebron: "I always kind of compare it to like instant oatmeal. It is not that fast. It takes a while to get to where you can close your eyes and know exactly where your guys are."

Let's be patient, folks. It took a while for the Dirk-era Mavs to figure out how to win. Hopefully, since Dirk is still around, we can get there sooner rather than later! Looking forward to the next game!
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I think the biggest issue with that game was having both Wes and DFS in the starting lineup. Either/or but not both. Neither of them draw good defenders and that exposed DSJ and Luka imo.

Barnes is a huge piece to our starting lineup and I honestly think if Rick would go with DSJ/DFS/Barnes/Luka/DJ we'd have great balance/chemistry and jackrabbit starts to games. I love Wes but it is getting extremely painful to watch him play....especially in the starting lineup.

I think we'll be fine when Barnes becomes fully healthy.
I agree, but lets see how they play with Barnes first. And lets see more DFS making shots.
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I think the biggest issue with that game was having both Wes and DFS in the starting lineup. Either/or but not both. Neither of them draw good defenders and that exposed DSJ and Luka imo.

Barnes is a huge piece to our starting lineup and I honestly think if Rick would go with DSJ/DFS/Barnes/Luka/DJ we'd have great balance/chemistry and jackrabbit starts to games. I love Wes but it is getting extremely painful to watch him play....especially in the starting lineup.

I think we'll be fine when Barnes becomes fully healthy.

If Wes was playing offense the way he should, other teams would be forced to put a quick guy who can afford to expend energy chasing him around the floor and around screens. When he's standing around the perimeter it's harder for Barnes, Luka and DSJ to attack off the dribble. When there are more screens and cuts, perimeter defenders especially have to have their head on a swivel. That's where we have moments to create more efficient offense. I focus in on Wes and I feel like he is conserving his energy on offense to maximize his time on the floor, which probably stems from his firm belief that we are at our best when he is on the floor...which isn't true. It's not the case when he is not playing to his strengths, he should be sacrificing his time on the floor whether it's to be a decoy or wearing down defenses and causing problems...and if they cheat or get lazy chasing him, Bombs away. I get annoyed knowing that we keep him out there and aren't using him to his full potential. It's win win because he won't be out on the floor as long with all the movement

JJ Reddick has mastered this, and Wes as well as the coaches needs to go to school on it:

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To quote Lebron: "I always kind of compare it to like instant oatmeal. It is not that fast. It takes a while to get to where you can close your eyes and know exactly where your guys are."

Let's be patient, folks. It took a while for the Dirk-era Mavs to figure out how to win. Hopefully, since Dirk is still around, we can get there sooner rather than later! Looking forward to the next game!
Instant oatmeal? Tear off the label, pour some water in that shit, and shove it in the microwave. Wtf is he talking about?
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I thought the same thing. That's about the easiest thing to make.
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I agree, but lets see how they play with Barnes first. And lets see more DFS making shots.
DFS absolutely has to make shots to be on this team. It is completely a binary situation as far as I'm concerned because we have no use for him if he isn't an outside threat. Make the shots and stretch the floor OR we move on from him completely and find that strong multi-position defender who can be a legit threat from the 3.

We desperately need another Shawn Marion to go with DSJ/Luka/Barnes/DJ imo. So far DFS is looking pretty good and I want to see what he can do in that bigger role. Wes, and Rick's unconditional love for him, is impeding that development process.

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