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Regarding Adams, It's about value. I don't think the Mavs FO wants to spend 25m a year for 13 points and 9 rebounds a year. He's a good player, but his salary really limits the Mavs from getting an ace wing player at some future date.

If Powell starts, Per 36 Minutes, Powell will give you 17 points 9 rebounds
If Adams starts, Per 36 minutes, Adams will give you 15 points and 10 rebounds

This is not to say Powell is a better player inside. Adams is. But Powell spaces the floor a little better, makes the Mavs a little better in transition, and isn't a negative at shooting Free throws. I just don't see a good reason to put Adams on the floor at that price.
Doesnt work that way, Adams gifted Westbrick several rebounds per game so he can chase his TDs
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Adams would be the third-best player on this roster -- if you can get him, then you get him... Lotto teams don't get to complain about fit.
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This should put those Iggy rumors to rest. No way we give out a first for a 1 year rental of 35 year old Iggy

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This should put those Iggy rumors to rest. No way we give out a first for a 1 year rental of 35 year old Iggy

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No one is giving out a 1st for Iggy.
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You're right about that... downside is, you're right about that.
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I’m ready for someone to tackle the “who won the trade” topic for Porzingis now. Those ass hats were ready to declare the Knicks greatness a few months ago.
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Fine, we disagree.

But if you're going to upgrade the 5, you gotta pick from what's available now.

Who's better (and gettable) that can be acquired via trade, because history tends to indicate that the perceived top-tier players are unlikely to come to Dallas through free agency, and when they do, kaboom-splat it's a Parsons or a Jordan.
At this point, I'd prefer to see what we need more, a 5 or a wing and it may not come until they have proof from the games. Without seeing them play I preferred a center who can rebound and provide more overall like Vuce..or Dedmon, where you get more bang for your bucks. For me, Adams is a borderline desperate move from missing on better targets and fear that we won't be able to rebound.
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This is kind of ridiculous. The Mavs are not going after Adams, and it's not because he wouldn't be an upgrade.

It's because Adams costs too much relative to a team's objectives, and his overall value doesn't warrant it in Dallas. Lots of teams can "get him." There's a reason they don't.

Way too much energy is being spent on discussing acquiring a player in a vacuum. This isn't just about a singular talent upgrade. Teams have short range and long range plans, and a limited amount of money to spend.

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This is kind of ridiculous. The Mavs are not going after Adams, and it's not because he wouldn't be an upgrade.

It's because Adams costs too much relative to a team's objectives, and his overall value doesn't warrant it in Dallas. Lots of teams can "get him." There's a reason they don't.

Way too much energy is being spent on discussing acquiring a player in a vacuum. This isn't just about a singular talent upgrade.

Between Adams and the FA complaints, it's tough times here.
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If not going to trade and be aggressive. Best to tank this year and get top 5 pick. Rest kp and Luka good portion year
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Between Adams and the FA complaints, it's tough times here.
Yeah, I guess so.

By the way, Tyson Chandler just signed with Houston. That's a lot more fun to talk about.
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I'll take Adams and his 2 years left. Take a look at the Mavs with a good big man last year (Jordan) then take a look at the team minus a legit big man after the trade. The Mavs are way too small and unathletic. Guys were just rebounding on us until they finally made a shot or just driving right through the paint for a easy layup or dunk. We have deficiencies defensively on the perimeter and on the inside. The guards are going to get worked and we don't have a real center for a last line of defense. And yes hard screens and a big nasty dude in the middle gobbling up space and rebounds makes a huge difference. It's not fun playing against those type of dudes. If we aren't happy with him after this year we have a huge expiring trade chip that is actually an asset to a NBA team. Dragic is old and Olynyk is soft as a marshmallow.
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Agreed, but I don't think any of them are willing to give up a first round pick for him. No value.
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This is kind of ridiculous. The Mavs are not going after Adams, and it's not because he wouldn't be an upgrade.

It's because Adams costs too much relative to a team's objectives, and his overall value doesn't warrant it in Dallas. Lots of teams can "get him." There's a reason they don't.

Way too much energy is being spent on discussing acquiring a player in a vacuum. This isn't just about a singular talent upgrade. Teams have short range and long range plans, and a limited amount of money to spend.
The Mavs have not been successful without good center play. Ever. The way they construct their team with finesse and skill players doesn't lend itself to getting by with an undersized Powell at center. Adams is more valuable to the Mavs than to any other team in the NBA. The lack of size and athletes on this team will be like a cancer to this team all year long. We can bitch about the cost of Adams and watch the Mavs get pounded all year or fork over the money and at least have a chance of having a good fun team to watch.
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The Mavs have not been successful without good center play. Ever. The way they construct their team with finesse and skill players doesn't lend itself to getting by with an undersized Powell at center. Adams is more valuable to the Mavs than to any other team in the NBA. The lack of size and athletes on this team will be like a cancer to this team all year long. We can bitch about the cost of Adams and watch the Mavs get pounded all year or fork over the money and at least have a chance of having a good fun team to watch.
Actually the Mavs really wouldn't lack size at all depending on the lineup. Starting Luka/Delon/DFSorJJ/Powell/KP has plenty of size. KP will need to improve his rebounding though for sure.

This isn't an argument against getting Adams, but I think and hope midget ball is a thing of the past.
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Iggy for a first doesn't make any sense for anyone. You aren't gonna get a first for a guy you just got a first to take.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:39 PM   #4178
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After signing Maxi, Seth, DFS and Porzingis, where are we at exactly? 14 roster spots are filled I believe

PGs: Doncic / Brunson / Barea
SG: Wright / Curry / THJ / Lee
SF: JJackson / DFS / Broekhoff
PF: Porzingis / Kleber
C: Powell / Marjanovic

We are capped out, so only min contracts or trades that could potentially use our TPE (of around 12M). Does that sound right?

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We can bitch about the cost of Adams and watch the Mavs get pounded all year or fork over the money and at least have a chance of having a good fun team to watch.
I feel certain the Mavs aren't going to make multi-million dollar financial decisions just because you personally think Adams will be "more fun to watch".

The FO has pretty much made the decision already that they want to stretch the floor. That's the plan. There will be times Porzingas floats under the basket on defense to protect the rim, and runs out to the three-point line on offense to spread the floor. Steven Adams has never once attempted a 3-point shot much less made one. He would do nothing to stretch the floor. He would become the equivalent of hack-a-shaq at the end of games given his FT's.

You probably need to just stop watching them if your expectation of the Mavericks is a Steven Adams center. I don't think that's the plan.
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After signing Maxi, Seth, DFS and Porzingis, where are we at exactly? 14 roster spots are filled I believe

PGs: Doncic / Brunson / Barea
SG: Wright / Curry / THJ / Lee
SF: JJackson / DFS / Broekhoff
PF: Porzingis / Kleber
C: Powell / Marjanovic

We are capped out, so only min contracts or trades that could potentially use our TPE (of around 12M). Does that sound right?
Roby?

I think the Mavs can also use the BAE? Maybe use it for Faried?
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After signing Maxi, Seth, DFS and Porzingis, where are we at exactly? 14 roster spots are filled I believe

PGs: Doncic / Brunson / Barea
SG: Wright / Curry / THJ / Lee
SF: JJackson / DFS / Broekhooff
PF: Porzingis / Kleber
C: Powell / Marjanovic

We are capped out, so only min contracts or trades that could potentially use our TPE (of around 12M). Does that sound right?
Technically I don't think Boban or Barea have signed yet, but obviously that's just a technicality and they'll put ink to paper soon. But yeah that's pretty much it from here: minimum guys, training camp contracts, and trades are the only thing to look out for from here.
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Roby?

I think the Mavs can also use the BAE? Maybe use it for Faried?
Boban will be signed using the BAE. I could see Roby getting the 15th spot if no trades materialize. Gonna be an interesting training camp battle between Roby, Reaves, Kostas, and Macon. I think Antonius Cleveland gets an invite too.
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I think the Mavs can also use the BAE? Maybe use it for Faried?
Good call, as of now my guess would be Roby to fill out that last spot.
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After signing Maxi, Seth, DFS and Porzingis, where are we at exactly? 14 roster spots are filled I believe

PGs: Doncic / Brunson / Barea
SG: Wright / Curry / THJ / Lee
SF: JJackson / DFS / Broekhoff
PF: Porzingis / Kleber
C: Powell / Marjanovic

We are capped out, so only min contracts or trades that could potentially use our TPE (of around 12M). Does that sound right?

I believe all that is accurate.
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Look, I don't know much, but I know I love yoooouuu.... Oh wait, wrong place for that... What's funny to me is how everybody thinks last year's players are the best... but never consider that there are new stars emerging every year, some from picks in the second round. Brunson could be the next one. Because, look at the following list:
https://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sport...ond-round.html

Nobody thought that pat Beverly was worth a first round pick, or Jokic, or Parsons, or Dragic, or Marc Gasol, or Draymond Green, or Deandre Jordan.... This time last year, some people thought Luka was WAY overrated, like Stephen A. Smith. Let's see who comes forward this year, that makes next year's FA crop look much better... And maybe we just got lucky again with Roby, who knows? Too early to say we're just not going to make the playoffs.
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Since we are pretty much out of the 2020 FA if we pick up Jacksons team option and keep our Firstrounder, getting Adams wouldnt really hurt us financially...

But i still think they are after Gallo and then picking up Iggy or Frank for small money...and if they fail THEN maybe Adams
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This is kind of ridiculous. The Mavs are not going after Adams, and it's not because he wouldn't be an upgrade.

It's because Adams costs too much relative to a team's objectives, and his overall value doesn't warrant it in Dallas. Lots of teams can "get him." There's a reason they don't.

Way too much energy is being spent on discussing acquiring a player in a vacuum. This isn't just about a singular talent upgrade. Teams have short range and long range plans, and a limited amount of money to spend.
What objectives are you referring to ?

He is 25 and has 2 years remaining. If any of those pointless objectives involves 2021 then Adams doesn’t really impact that since he should be off the books. In the meantime, we would have a C that Dan help us be better and win. If things don't work out, he leaves and if he proves to be the fit that many think, we win some games in the process and in 2 years when he’s 27 we work out a new deal that makes sense.

I still don’t get the thought process that somehow we need to wait for “something” or 2021 or whatever as if Luka and KP are not going to be in this team and trying to win over the next 2 years and we can just fast forward to whatever magical year some of you have in mind.
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What objectives are you referring to ?

He is 25 and has 2 years remaining. If any of those pointless objectives involves 2021 then Adams doesn’t really impact that since he should be off the books. In the meantime, we would have a C that Dan help us be better and win. If things don't work out, he leaves and if he proves to be the fit that many think, we win some games in the process and in 2 years when he’s 27 we work out a new deal that makes sense.

I still don’t get the thought process that somehow we need to wait for “something” or 2021 or whatever as if Luka and KP are not going to be in this team and trying to win over the next 2 years and we can just fast forward to whatever magical year some of you have in mind.
It's above you in a post. I'll repeat it.

The FO has stated they want to stretch the floor. Hence the perimeter shooters (including Merji and Powell last year who were encouraged to work on that aspect).

Adams doesn't do that. He has never even shot a 3-point shot according to stats, much less made one. He is strictly an interior player. Porzingas is not the physical presence of Adams, but he is a better rim protector. See below.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-defense/#fn-1

The Mavs would like to speed the game up. Adams doesn't do that. He's slower in transition than either Powell, Porzingas, or Maxi. Adams has no ability with FT's. He's a liability at the end of games. That also slows the game down.

So there are no measurements on offense or defense that make Adams worth 25 mil. to this team (other than 1-2 more rebounds a game). His typical game not what the Mavs are looking for.

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Interesting tidbit. Could make the contract better over time.
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Should make it pretty easy to trade it in the summer of 2021 after getting a commitment from a max player (same goes with Maxi).

So we dont have to clear the max cap before the FA starts
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Lee and Hardaway works for Paul since we're discussing lotto teams can't be picky scenarios. Should we sell our souls to the devil in order to be really good next season?

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Me everytime i read something about "Paul to the Mavs"

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Me everytime i read something about "Paul to the Mavs"

Someone on here would defend the move and then act incredulous that someone dare question the front office
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I posted it as a joke, but hey, let's all go nuts about it.
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Great... here comes 4 more days of nonsense.
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Someone on here would defend the move and then act incredulous that someone dare question the front office
Haha, I mean I would hate the move right now, but being a fan has taught me that I can end up rationalizing even the worst moves eventually. If he joins the team and puts on a Mavs jersey, I'm going to root for his success if it leads to team success.

Like when Derek Fisher (who I abhorred when he was a Laker) joined the Mavs: "Ugh, but at least he is a veteran... Good three point shooter... has a lot of playoffs experience... could be a leader for us!". That didn't work out so well.

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