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Old 11-18-2020, 09:46 PM   #1
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Hopefully he's better than Anstey...

Good player. Would've preferred Bey. Blown away that he's still on the board. Would move mountains to try to move up from the 2nd round pick to get both. But yeah, a good player for sure and helps the D quite a bit.
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He also has a good pedigree. High ranked recruit. NBA athlete and defender. Solid build. They must think his shooting will translate. Hope they keep him and no trade.
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He also has a good pedigree. High ranked recruit. NBA athlete and defender. Solid build. They must think his shooting will translate. Hope they keep him and no trade.
Yeah....like honestly all he need to do at offense is push his 3p shooting to 38%
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A lot of mock drafts had the Mavs drafting Green in this draft......with the 31st pick.

With Bey on the board I’m pretty underwhelmed with this selection.
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I would put Gary Harris as a good comp for Green. Green is longer and more athletic and eventually can be a better mid range and finisher around the rim.
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Maybe he can develop into a rotation player
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I know highlights can be deceiving but he looks good!
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Josh Green | W | Arizona | Birthdate: Nov. 16, 2000 (Age: 20) | 6-6 | 215 LBS | Hometown: Sydney, Australia

BACKGROUND: Parents are Cahla and Delmas, both of whom were semi-pro basketball players in Australia. Was elite in a few sports as a youth player, including basketball, swimming and Australian football. Was particularly good at Australian football, and actually at one point actually had a developmental spot with AFL team Greater Western Sydney. Ultimately decided that basketball was his calling, though. His family moved to Phoenix when he was 14. Enrolled in a few schools over his time here. Initially went to Mountain Ridge High in Phoenix, then as a sophomore attended Hillcrest Prep with future No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton. After that season, he chose to transfer to IMG Academy in Florida, which is where he stuck for good. There, he blossomed into a truly elite prospect in the class. Earned five-star status following a terrific Basketball Without Borders performance in 2018. Then, went to Nike Hoop Summit that spring and played well. As a senior, he led IMG Academy to a national high school championship in hoops, and was named MVP of the title game. Ultimately, Green finished as a consensus five-star recruit just outside of the top-10 in his recruiting class. He chose Arizona over a bevy of five-star schools, most notably also considering North Carolina. Had a solid freshman campaign with the Wildcats, albeit one where he was overshadowed sometimes by his other elite recruits. Nico Mannion regularly had the ball in his hands, and Zeke Nnaji put up big numbers as the interior threat. Green simply did his job defending the wing, getting out in transition, and doing little things on the wing. He didnít receive commendation, but probably should have made the leagueís All-Defense team over Jonah Mathews and McKinley Wright. From there, he decided to go pro and fulfill the expectation of being a one-and-done. Flew under the radar a bit because of the lack of gaudy numbers or role, but scouts are intrigued by his athleticism, defensive intensity, and more.

YEAR TEAM LEAGUE Age GP PPG RPG APG TOPG BPG SPG FG% 3P% FT%
2019-20 Arizona NCAA (Pac-12) 19 30 12.0 4.6 2.6 1.6 0.4 1.5 42.4 36.1 78.0

STRENGTHS: Very good athlete who actually knows how to use it in the open court and on defense. Great size for the wing position at 6-foot-6 with a 6-foot-10 wingspan. Works hard and doesnít really take possessions off. Very good coordination, and plays with power. Contact doesnít bother him at all.

The best place you see Green work is on defense. Heís an awesome on-ball defender. His lateral quickness is really high level. Cuts off driving lanes with ease more with his quickness than his length. Then, he uses that length to contest shots and recover if necessary. Really, really good at closing out on shooters after playing in help. Has great balance, so itís hard to get him leaning in a way that allows him to get driven. Always keeps his arms up to contest, too. Not afraid of playing really physically. Because heís so strong, guys canít really go through him if he slides in front. Arizona consistently asked him to defend whoever the best perimeter player was on the opposing team. That ranged from guards like Payton Pritchard to combo guards like Jared Butler to wings like C.J. Elleby to bigger wings like Tres Tinkle. Green will possess some real switchability defensively. Heís also a very instinctive off-ball defender who rotates well and stays in position. He shoots passing lanes with his length and reactivity, and often gets home. He finished top-10 in the Pac-12 in steal percentage. I wouldnít quite say heíll be an All-Defense team guy, but itís not an outcome that is impossible and I feel confident he will be a very positive NBA defender.

Offensively is where things get a bit trickier, but he has some good tools. Heís terrific out in transition because heís a terrific open floor athlete. He runs the floor hard and gets a ton of opportunities that way. Teams that play up tempo should probably look at him a bit more closely. Heís also a willing passer, especially from a standstill when tying together multiple passes when defenses are in scramble situations. Has good awareness of who is open when heís the next guy in line, and typically hits that player in a good spot.

WEAKNESSES: The big swing skill for Green is going to be the jump shot, and Iím not sure right now whether Iíd call it a positive or a negative. Iíve tossed it here because I think there is still some work to do on it, but I think he has a real chance to be a solid shooter at some point. Green hit 36 percent from 3 and 78 percent from the line this year, and clearly has good touch. But he was incredibly streaky, too. He had a horrid December and January, hitting just 16.7 percent and 23.1 percent in those months. Then in his final 10 games, he hit 14 of 30 3s.

Mechanically, itís a mixed bag. Green is always ready to shoot and is really great with shot-prep off the catch in spot-up situations. He has a strong base and is very quiet throughout his lower half. Heís balanced and aligns himself toward the rim well. But his release at the top isnít ideal. His right arm is at a 45 degree angle underneath the ball and he has his thumbs involved with the release. That can lead to some inconsistency at release. Heís also not really a shooter off of any kind of movement right now, as the mechanics are more prone to flying all over the place. Only made seven of his 33 pull-up attempts last year, and five out of 20 shots off of screens.

If Green doesnít shoot, itís going to be really hard for him to derive any value on offense. Heís a pretty poor ballhandler, resigned only to straight line drives. His handle is a bit high, and doesnít really have much control. That hinders him as a passer on the move, as he often looks much more flustered than when he is at a standstill and can diagnose the defense ahead of time. Heís also an exceptionally poor finisher for what you would expect. Green made just 37.5 percent of his halfcourt attempts at the rim according to Synergy, the worst mark among wings in this class. There is some hope for him attacking heavy closeouts, as he has a nice little floater game that is one of his favored moves. But even that shot was made at just about a 39 percent clip last year. Green is going to have to figure out something with either his shot or his finishing, otherwise itís hard to see him making a real impact on offense.

SUMMARY: Green is such a good defender, and has enough potential to shoot to where itís worth taking him in the first round. Wings that can provide the versatility he does on the defensive end are in short supply. If he can just make corner 3s at a reasonable 37 percent clip, he probably sticks as either a secondary starting wing or a versatile bench option. I think he probably does that. If he also becomes a movement shooter, there is upside beyond that and heíd certainly morph into being an NBA starter. Iím not quite sure he gets there, though, based on the evidence. And there isnít quite enough off the bounce to make me think heís going to be anything other than limited offensively in the NBA. Still, versatile defenders who can shoot are worthwhile pick-ups for teams.

GRADE: 80. Second half of the first round.
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There needs to be more trades or we just don’t have the roster spots, right?
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I like that he could have been a pro Aussie football player. Maybe he can be Rick's non milk drinker.
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Fwiw(if it was posted before apologies ...site went full fultz ft hitch an hour ago)-

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There needs to be more trades or we just donít have the roster spots, right?
I really think and hope that the next thing on their list should be to move Wright and erase his 21-22 salary. Find a desperate team who wont be in the 2021 FA race...Portland, Warriors...
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The corners look good at least.

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The corners look good at least.
It looks like he pretty much stood on one side of the court.
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Green pick is starting to grow on me. First I want to talk about some of the other options and hypothesize as to why the Mavs passed them up:

1) Precious Achiuwa - no jumper and more of a 3/4/5 defender (which we already have in Kleber)

2) Tyrese Maxey - needs ball in his hands to be completely effective and realistically can only guard 1s and 2s

3) Saddiq Bey - this one is tough... I think it ultimately turns on upside


The positives with Green shouldn't be overlooked:

1) Pedigree - Green was the number 8 player in his HS class

2) Physical Upside - Green was top 5 in lane agility and top 10 in vertical leap at 6'5', 215 lbs.... the kid is a specimen

3) Intangibles - by all accounts a great kid who interviewed well and bought into his role at Arizona

4) Defense - the kid has a unique combination of size and strength that allows him to guard 4 positions

5) Corner Shooting - Green was a fantastic shooter from the corner and should receive a plethora of good looks with Luka facilitating
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Green is going to eat up those corner looks. We've needed a corner shooter forever.

THJ is good, but he's usually at the top. Kleber became our corner three guy, but he was inconsistent there.
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I've seen him play live a few times at U of A and In my opinion he's a very similar player to Kelenna Azubuike.

That is his low ceiling...

If he really takes off offensively I'd say he could develope into a Jason Richardson type.

But Azubuike was still pretty darn good before he blew out his knee.
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That is his low ceiling...

If he really takes off offensively I'd say he could develope into a Jason Richardson type.

But Azubuike was still pretty darn good before he blew out his knee.
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I think it's going to take a couple of years before we can truly determine if Green is going to turn out to be a nice pick.
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Depending upon what the roster looks like, there’s a good chance he’s towards the tail end of the rotation. You’re probably exactly right.

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Green was the best wing player available at 18. S.Bey projects more of a PF and if they weren't going to get Halliburton, then Josh Green makes a ton of sense. He can run the floor with the best of them in this class and has an NBA body to go along with an NBA jumper.

Really happy with getting Josh Green and Tyler Bey along with Terry
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Green was the best wing player available at 18. S.Bey projects more of a PF and if they weren't going to get Halliburton, then Josh Green makes a ton of sense. He can run the floor with the best of them in this class and has an NBA body to go along with an NBA jumper.

Really happy with getting Josh Green and Tyler Bey along with Terry
Josh Green had CRAZY measurements in lots of categories

Max vertical
2nd place - T. Bey - 43.5"
7th place - J. Green - 39.5"
Note: T. Bey set a new record https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2...rtical-record/

Best lane agility
5th - J. Green
7th - Terry
23rd - T. Bey

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18th - Terry
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Athletics aren't everything, but it doesn't hurt. S. Bey did not participate so no measurements are available, but the one knock against him is his speed and agility. His lateral quickness and sometimes even his ability to get up/down the court were limiting his upside while J. Green was one of the top 5 athletic specimens in the combine, jumping higher than most, exhibiting more agility than most guards, and getting up and down the court faster than almost anyone.
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If the talent is roughly equal, I'm ALL for getting the guy with top flight athleticism over the guy who might be more NBA ready right now. Lord knows we need some more athleticism and physicality.
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Probably the best write-up I've seen of Green so far and provides some insights into why the Mavs selected him:

https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-dr...out-josh-green

[PPP = points per possession]


HIGHLIGHTS
-1.19 PPP transition scoring (78th percentile)
-1.023 PPP spotting up (78th percentile)
-1.203 PPP shooting off the catch (85th percentile)
-1.512 PPP open catch and shoot (94th percentile)

LOWLIGHTS
-.786 PPP scoring at the rim (8th percentile)
-.808 PPP cutting to the basket (9th percentile)
-.424 PPP shooting off the dribble (9th percentile)

DEFENSE
-allowed .429 PPP on jumpers in isolation
-allowed .684 PPP when defending the pick-and-roll
-allowed .462 PPP on mid-range jumpers
-allowed .923 PPP on three-pointers


This paints a pretty clear picture. Green (much like another Green we all know) probably isn't ever going to be great creating his own offense -- especially in a half-court set. What Green will do is bring athleticism, defense, and corner shooting. He was very much a selection that was made for Luka. His open catch-and-shoot game is very enticing considering the looks Luka gets our guys.


Website had Green as the 12th best prospect.
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Probably the best write-up I've seen of Green so far and provides some insights into why the Mavs selected him:

https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-dr...out-josh-green

[PPP = points per possession]


HIGHLIGHTS
-1.19 PPP transition scoring (78th percentile)
-1.023 PPP spotting up (78th percentile)
-1.203 PPP shooting off the catch (85th percentile)
-1.512 PPP open catch and shoot (94th percentile)

LOWLIGHTS
-.786 PPP scoring at the rim (8th percentile)
-.808 PPP cutting to the basket (9th percentile)
-.424 PPP shooting off the dribble (9th percentile)

DEFENSE
-allowed .429 PPP on jumpers in isolation
-allowed .684 PPP when defending the pick-and-roll
-allowed .462 PPP on mid-range jumpers
-allowed .923 PPP on three-pointers


This paints a pretty clear picture. Green (much like another Green we all know) probably isn't ever going to be great creating his own offense -- especially in a half-court set. What Green will do is bring athleticism, defense, and corner shooting. He was very much a selection that was made for Luka. His open catch-and-shoot game is very enticing considering the looks Luka gets our guys.


Website had Green as the 12th best prospect.
Yeah we don’t need him to be a star. Hopefully he’s a starter at 2/3 in the next few years. He can be our (hopefully healthier and more consistent) Gary Harris. I like that we have added guys who can get out in transition and get some easy buckets. I also love that Green gets to learn under Richardson for this year at the very least.

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