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Old 09-22-2020, 09:27 AM   #41
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Hield is objectively a better player than THJ, and I like Tim.

I agree about the defense, but upgrading our defense can't overcome another KP injury. Team needs a serious insurance plan in case that happens again, or we're just wasting Luka's time here.
Fair, I just don't personally see Hield as the guy who can carry our offense. If you lose your by far and away 2nd best offensive player, you're flat out Fvcked. I'd prefer a 2-way player.
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I like Hield, too.

I definitely don't think you choose him in a situation where you have your pick of everyone in the league, but I brought him up because I feel like he's going to be an available option. I do think he makes the team better.
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I'd like to see Christian Wood slide into PF next to KP at center. Long athletic switchable defender and has the shooting range we lack in DP. Not the bulky defender that Maxi is but offers a lot more offensively. Many people including myself are interested in Ibaka, I just feel like surely he has to slow down at some point from age and mileage. If we only had a machine that could consolidate some of the players we have and make 1 really good well rounded player.
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I'd like to see Christian Wood slide into PF next to KP at center. Long athletic switchable defender and has the shooting range we lack in DP. Not the bulky defender that Maxi is but offers a lot more offensively. Many people including myself are interested in Ibaka, I just feel like surely he has to slow down at some point from age and mileage. If we only had a machine that could consolidate some of the players we have and make 1 really good well rounded player.
Ok, I like both players. I think there's a 99% chance Ibaka is back in Toronto, but let's assume he isn't.

I assume you're talking about these options as starters, and I'm not sure either would start here.

Ibaka could work as a starter on offense, but not on defense. He's way slower than he used to be, and even young Ibaka probably wasn't the kind of player you're going to start with KP and DFS in your 2021 front court against 2021 teams. He's just not the "swiss army knife" you need on the floor WITH Porzingis. He's a GREAT backup center, basically. The biggest benefit there would probably be that you have a good option at STARTING center in the event of KP injury. I think that makes you better, and I'd love him on the team, but I think they have bigger fish to fry when it comes to resource allocation in the short term. I think I'm fine dealing with whoever is left of the Powell, Kleber, WCS set, with Boban getting spot opportunities again.

I don't know Wood as well, but I like what you're saying about him being an athletic, switchable defender. Let's assume that's correct, and that he IS a fit defensively. Can he shoot well enough to play? Like, can he be on the court during important stretches for that defense to matter? Wright couldn't. Hell, they've got WCS shooting threes every day right now.

My point is this: it's easy to say "offense isn't the problem. They need defense." But, all of the good teams in the league have players on the court at all times who are at least some type of threat on offense.

Defensive "specialists" don't help you, because the sport is at a place where all five offensive players are required to create space. In other words, if they can't play with the ball in their hands or somehow create space for the guy who does, their defensive ability will be on the bench most of the time, and certainly during the stretches of the game that matter.

Again, I don't know Wood enough to apply the above criteria to him, so I'll defer to your judgment, but a glimpse at his numbers raised some red flags.

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We won in 2011 because

1) Dirk (I think Luka is a good replacement but he has to work on consistency).
2) two-man game capable of breaking defenses once defenses tightened up in the half-court.
3) A defense capable of getting stops. You're not going to score every play and missing a shot and then not getting stop can destroy momentum and can make players lose hope. In 2011 we were strong. Not necessarily a bunch of defensive experts, but we were tight in our rotations and we did have 1-2 strong defensive players (Chandler and Stephenson)

Right now we need to work on both 2 and 3. Maybe that's KP. Maybe that's someone else.

I think given time Rick can also get these guys defending well, but I think we still need 1-2 defensive pieces (other than DFS. THJ was decent)
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Not necessarily a bunch of defensive experts, but we were tight in our rotations and we did have 1-2 strong defensive players (Chandler and Stephenson)
I don't disagree a bit, but think of the true statement you wrote above this way:

Both of those players had undeniably positive impacts on OFFENSE, too. Chandler created space vertically, kind of the way Powell does, and if you remember, that was the year he started hitting that elbow jumper at a high clip. This was sort of the 2011 version of keeping his defender out of the paint and keeping him honest.

Think of how a (very) casual fan might have thought of Stevenson in those playoffs. Remember all those huge 3's he hit during insanely big moments? If he doesn't hit those, the story has a different outcome. He was absolutely a factor in creating space for Dirk and Terry to operate. He was absolutely a contributor to the spacing that allowed Barea to dominate in the Lakers and Heat series.

And, that was 10 years ago. If anything, I'd argue that the spacing Dallas got then, which was amazing, is kind of average by today's standards. These things I'm talking about are even MORE important now, imo.

I want to be very clear: I AGREE that improving the defense should be a high priority, but I feel strongly that players who can't fit into what the team is trying to accomplish on offense won't help the defense at all, because they'll be on the bench during all the important stretches the team plays. You can't tell me that Carlisle didn't want to play Wright more, for example. He gave the guy chance after chance after chance during the season. When the playoffs came around, he felt like he couldn't play the guy.

Back to the above, I think Ibaka IS a two-way player who helps you, but unfortunately, I don't think he's much of a fit on court with KP. That's my opinion, I could be wrong.
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Hield is objectively a better player than THJ, and I like Tim.

I agree about the defense, but upgrading our defense can't overcome another KP injury. Team needs a serious insurance plan in case that happens again, or we're just wasting Luka's time here.
Sure, but i just dont think Hield at this pricetag is putting us in contender territory.

Im trading for Otto Porter before im trading for Hield.
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Im trading for Otto Porter before im trading for Hield.
Man, I've seen a lot of smart people with the OPJ idea. That could work. He could play with DFS and KP, fit wise, I'd think.
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I'm down with Porter if he could ever stay healthy.

I will say on the Hield front that the Kings are in a tough position with him. If they have another crap season, and Hield doesn't crack 20 ppg, then he'll be tough to move. It could turn into another THJ situation eventually.
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I'm down with Porter if he could ever stay healthy.

I will say on the Hield front that the Kings are in a tough position with him. If they have another crap season, and Hield doesn't crack 20 ppg, then he'll be tough to move. It could turn into another THJ situation eventually.
Oh, yeah. Hield is available. Pretty big contract on a player with exposure around the league in a situation where the coach doesn't view him as a starter and neither he or the coach are happy.

Someone is going to take the plunge on this dude. I think he's a plus player in the right situation.
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Bleacher report has a trade idea: Justin Jackson/31 for Frank Ntilikina. Thoughts?
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I don't disagree a bit, but think of the true statement you wrote above this way:

Both of those players had undeniably positive impacts on OFFENSE, too. Chandler created space vertically, kind of the way Powell does, and if you remember, that was the year he started hitting that elbow jumper at a high clip. This was sort of the 2011 version of keeping his defender out of the paint and keeping him honest.

Think of how a (very) casual fan might have thought of Stevenson in those playoffs. Remember all those huge 3's he hit during insanely big moments? If he doesn't hit those, the story has a different outcome. He was absolutely a factor in creating space for Dirk and Terry to operate. He was absolutely a contributor to the spacing that allowed Barea to dominate in the Lakers and Heat series.

And, that was 10 years ago. If anything, I'd argue that the spacing Dallas got then, which was amazing, is kind of average by today's standards. These things I'm talking about are even MORE important now, imo.

I want to be very clear: I AGREE that improving the defense should be a high priority, but I feel strongly that players who can't fit into what the team is trying to accomplish on offense won't help the defense at all, because they'll be on the bench during all the important stretches the team plays. You can't tell me that Carlisle didn't want to play Wright more, for example. He gave the guy chance after chance after chance during the season. When the playoffs came around, he felt like he couldn't play the guy.

Back to the above, I think Ibaka IS a two-way player who helps you, but unfortunately, I don't think he's much of a fit on court with KP. That's my opinion, I could be wrong.
Yes, ultimately every player we have needs to be able to play on both sides of the court.

Chandler was amazing at lobs which kept his guy honest inside and prevented the weak side defender from crowding the drive. Stevenson hit the three well enough to keep defenses honest (39%)

Powell still has a ways to go as a defender, but he does what Rick wants and he's somehow our best offensive +/- guy.

I'm not sure what we need more between offense or defense-- we just need talent. What we do need is players who can find a way to contribute on both ends.

Centers just need to be smart enough to catch lobs from Luka while defending and rebounding.

The rest of the guys have to be smart enough to be strong defensively. They don't have to be defensive monsters, but they have to be able to do what Rick wants defensively and offensively they just have to shoot. PG-PF have to shoot in Rick's system. We can't have PFs who clog the lane and drive next to Luka.
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I'd do that in a heartbeat.

I think Frank slides right into the defensive wing role everyone is clamoring to fill.

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I'd do that in a heartbeat.

I think Frank slides right into the defensive wing role everyone is clamoring the fill.
Dude is a defensive monster, but do we really want a guy who shoots 32% from three?

People complain about THJ (40%), DFS (38%, Maxi (37%), and KP (35%)

Just wait until you have a guy who shoots even worse

I think I'd rather get a guy who can shoot and has the physical/mental tools to be an impact player defensively than to take a chance on a guy who has struggled to learn a whole different defensive system coming here and both learning our defense (as Wright struggled to do) and learning to shoot at the same time.
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Dude is a defensive monster, but do we really want a guy who shoots 32% from three?

People complain about THJ (40%), DFS (38%, Maxi (37%), and KP (35%)

Just wait until you have a guy who shoots even worse

I think I'd rather get a guy who can shoot and has the physical/mental tools to be an impact player defensively than to take a chance on a guy who has struggled to learn a whole different defensive system coming here and both learning our defense (as Wright struggled to do) and learning to shoot at the same time.
Totally with you on the shooting. If you change the player from Justin Jackson to someone in the rotation, I'm out.

I just think what's holding Frank back is this idea that he'll ever be a PG. Get him off the Knicks, get that out of his head and give him the "full Finney-Smith experience" and I think you've got a dope 3&D player in a year or two, and probably a player who's more valuable than anyone you're going to draft at 31. Someone who can play the 2 or 3 and guard 4 positions.

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Totally with you on the shooting. If you change the player from Justin Jackson to someone in the rotation, I'm out.

I just think what's holding Frank back is this idea that he'll ever be a PG. Get him off the Knicks, get that out of his head and give him the "full Finney-Smith experience" and I think you've got a dope 3&D player in a year or two, and probably a player who's more valuable than anyone you're going to draft at 31. Someone who can play the 2 or 3 and guard 4 positions.
Co-sign. Potentially elite defender. Our own Pat Bev only longer and younger who can hound ball handlers and has switch ability on defense. Corner jumpers all day long, and can act as a secondary ball handler at times. Heís just not a PG.
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Dude is a defensive monster, but do we really want a guy who shoots 32% from three?

People complain about THJ (40%), DFS (38%, Maxi (37%), and KP (35%)

Just wait until you have a guy who shoots even worse

I think I'd rather get a guy who can shoot and has the physical/mental tools to be an impact player defensively than to take a chance on a guy who has struggled to learn a whole different defensive system coming here and both learning our defense (as Wright struggled to do) and learning to shoot at the same time.
Problem is, once a guy flashes the ď3Ē part of the 3 and D equation the price just skyrocketed. Joe Harris is merely an adequate defender and not much of a ball handler/creator but has one elite skill and will get paid. Maybe 3-36 or something. Same with Bertans.

Iím for identifying the DFS of the world before they bust out. Thatís why guys like Frankie Smokes and DJJ should on our list. DFS is one of the very best values in the league. Royce O Neal is a similar guy and Utah had to give a contract that was like twice what DFS got just due to the timing.

The variable in this is Rick. Does he have the patience to wait for a guy to click. He did with Dodo. And of course itís dependent on the player be willing to put in the workóthatís kind of a given. I would take a chance on: DJJ being a player thatís had to scrape and work hard in Miami. If they think he can eventually be a league average(what is that 35-36%?)from 3 or better, and they believe in his defense than thatís the kind of move Iíd like to see. Or Frankie, rescued from the mess in NYK land, puts it all together in a better system with a better role.
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The variable in this is Rick. Does he have the patience to wait for a guy to click. He did with Dodo. And of course itís dependent on the player be willing to put in the workóthatís kind of a given. I would take a chance on: DJJ being a player thatís had to scrape and work hard in Miami. If they think he can eventually be a league average(what is that 35-36%?)from 3 or better, and they believe in his defense than thatís the kind of move Iíd like to see. Or Frankie, rescued from the mess in NYK land, puts it all together in a better system with a better role.
I don't know if I'd put it completely on Carlisle, but you've correctly identified a potential problem with Frank, or DJJ. You might have to wait a while on them to develop.

When Carlisle lived with younger DFS they weren't a playoff team, or even a good one. I think he'd be doing the franchise a disservice forcing developmental minutes to a guy who wasn't ready to win next season.

But, like you, I think both players are intriguing. I'm ok with acquiring them and letting them work as long as it takes to earn a rotation spot, even if it takes a while, if the price is right. And, I won't cry and bitch if they don't play every night their first year.

The reason I take that deal without hesitation is because Jackson is already out of the rotation, probably never going back in, and I find it hard to believe they'd get anyone at 31 who could contribute any sooner than Frank. It's all upside, to me.
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I don't know if I'd put it completely on Carlisle, but you've correctly identified a potential problem with Frank, or DJJ. You might have to wait a while on them to develop.

When Carlisle lived with younger DFS they weren't a playoff team, or even a good one. I think he'd be doing the franchise a disservice forcing developmental minutes to a guy who wasn't ready to win next season.

But, like you, I think both players are intriguing. I'm ok with acquiring them and letting them work as long as it takes to earn a rotation spot, even if it takes a while, if the price is right. And, I won't cry and bitch if they don't play every night their first year.

The reason I take that deal without hesitation is because Jackson is already out of the rotation, probably never going back in, and I find it hard to believe they'd get anyone at 31 who could contribute any sooner than Frank. It's all upside, to me.
I tend to agree. Jackson is out of the rotation, and I donít see pick 31 making an immediate impact. I always like taking a risk on former lottery picks too. Iím confident Rick and his staff can get the most out of players, and putting them into position to succeed.
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Problem is, once a guy flashes the “3” part of the 3 and D equation the price just skyrocketed. Joe Harris is merely an adequate defender and not much of a ball handler/creator but has one elite skill and will get paid. Maybe 3-36 or something. Same with Bertans.

I’m for identifying the DFS of the world before they bust out. That’s why guys like Frankie Smokes and DJJ should on our list. DFS is one of the very best values in the league. Royce O Neal is a similar guy and Utah had to give a contract that was like twice what DFS got just due to the timing.

The variable in this is Rick. Does he have the patience to wait for a guy to click. He did with Dodo. And of course it’s dependent on the player be willing to put in the work—that’s kind of a given. I would take a chance on: DJJ being a player that’s had to scrape and work hard in Miami. If they think he can eventually be a league average(what is that 35-36%?)from 3 or better, and they believe in his defense than that’s the kind of move I’d like to see. Or Frankie, rescued from the mess in NYK land, puts it all together in a better system with a better role.
Absolutely. Guys who can hit the three are highly valuable and get paid.

That's why I don't trade a pick that has a high chance of netting us a 3pt shooter for someone who struggles to shoot well enough to keep teams honest. There are 80+ players in the Div I who shot better than Franky. There are two dozen+ shooters available in this draft. The odds of a shooter getting to us at 18 is almost 100% and the odds of a shooter better than Franky at 31 is actually incredibly solid. Jackson? Not really a contributor, but I think Franky is a perfectly average second rounder and this is a really stacked draft in terms of solid starter/journeymen.
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#31 for Frank is a nobrainer. Like mentioned he is a defensive monster. And his shot isnt broken, there is zero reason to believe that he cant raise it to 36%+ on open 3s.

If Poku and Bey are gone i even trade #18 instead of 31

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I think Frank is cool. I like his swagger. I'm not sure he's better than some of the guys we can get at 31, though. I think there are going to be some real steals. People are super quick to want to trade picks for mediocre players like Frank, but are also super quick to trash Cuban for not going after someone like Giannis in the second round.

There are a lot of really decent servicable guys that are going to fall out fo the first round. Maybe even some stars.

I also think we've given up on Wright way too soon. All of the physical traits of Frank but he hit 37% of his threes on the season and 50% in the postseason. He was totally lost on defense so he didn't get played, but rather than trading away assets, I could see Rick sitting on him and catching him up to speed for next season. We pay nothing to get him and seeing as he's pretty untradable, we make something out of nothing. He makes Frank totally redundant IMO.
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Speaking of Jacksons, I’d put Josh Jackson in that same group with DJJ & Frankie- long athletic defensively versatile and may come relatively cheap- that we should be looking at in trade or with MLE. Would love for this team to add some athleticism. Frankie isn’t that exactly but he’s long and agile. Josh Jackson or DJJ would up our athleticism quite a bit.
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I think Frank is cool. I like his swagger. I'm not sure he's better than some of the guys we can get at 31, though. I think there are going to be some real steals. People are super quick to want to trade picks for mediocre players like Frank, but are also super quick to trash Cuban for not going after someone like Giannis in the second round.

There are a lot of really decent servicable guys that are going to fall out fo the first round. Maybe even some stars.

I also think we've given up on Wright way too soon. All of the physical traits of Frank but he hit 37% of his threes on the season and 50% in the postseason. He was totally lost on defense so he didn't get played, but rather than trading away assets, I could see Rick sitting on him and catching him up to speed for next season. We pay nothing to get him and seeing as he's pretty untradable, we make something out of nothing. He makes Frank totally redundant IMO.
Don’t get me wrong, part of me wants them to stay put and draft at 18 & 31. I agree there could be some guys at 31 that could help in a year or two. But if they spot an upgrade that happens to be a young vet and is good value then I’m all for that too instead of picks. I think Denver’s trade for Jerami Grant is instructive in that regard. He’s definitely more valuable to them than anyone they could’ve picked and none of the growing pains of a rookie. He was a second round pick and it took him years to reach the point he’s at now. Nothing wrong with a “sure thing” if another team doesn’t have a use for the guy and they would rather have 18 or 31. Win-win.

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Ok, I like both players. I think there's a 99% chance Ibaka is back in Toronto, but let's assume he isn't.

I assume you're talking about these options as starters, and I'm not sure either would start here.

Ibaka could work as a starter on offense, but not on defense. He's way slower than he used to be, and even young Ibaka probably wasn't the kind of player you're going to start with KP and DFS in your 2021 front court against 2021 teams. He's just not the "swiss army knife" you need on the floor WITH Porzingis. He's a GREAT backup center, basically. The biggest benefit there would probably be that you have a good option at STARTING center in the event of KP injury. I think that makes you better, and I'd love him on the team, but I think they have bigger fish to fry when it comes to resource allocation in the short term. I think I'm fine dealing with whoever is left of the Powell, Kleber, WCS set, with Boban getting spot opportunities again.

I don't know Wood as well, but I like what you're saying about him being an athletic, switchable defender. Let's assume that's correct, and that he IS a fit defensively. Can he shoot well enough to play? Like, can he be on the court during important stretches for that defense to matter? Wright couldn't. Hell, they've got WCS shooting threes every day right now.

My point is this: it's easy to say "offense isn't the problem. They need defense." But, all of the good teams in the league have players on the court at all times who are at least some type of threat on offense.

Defensive "specialists" don't help you, because the sport is at a place where all five offensive players are required to create space. In other words, if they can't play with the ball in their hands or somehow create space for the guy who does, their defensive ability will be on the bench most of the time, and certainly during the stretches of the game that matter.

Again, I don't know Wood enough to apply the above criteria to him, so I'll defer to your judgment, but a glimpse at his numbers raised some red flags.
13p/6r in 21 mins. 39% 3pt. He's still in the potential category but has a high ceiling. His offense would be the immediate value here. I would start him over anyone else we have at PF right now without hesitation. I think he's ready to breakout.

Here's some solid takes and breakdown on him.

What he does to Maxi at approx 9:15 mark is rude. I remember this one vividly. https://youtu.be/NbkSMpdmlz8


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Funny thing: the analytics say he's a negative value player. I don't care. I think he's the perfect guy to play between DFS and KP.
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Frank just turned 22 last July.

Dude has probably more potential than any guy left at #31. He checks so many boxes for a guy you want to pair Luka with.

Wood is getting paid by Detroit and Grant by the Nuggets

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13p/6r in 21 mins. 39% 3pt. He's still in the potential category but has a high ceiling. His offense would be the immediate value here. I would start him over anyone else we have at PF right now without hesitation. I think he's ready to breakout.

Here's some solid takes and breakdown on him.

What he does to Maxi at approx 9:15 mark is rude. I remember this one vividly. https://youtu.be/NbkSMpdmlz8


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Thanks for this. Intriguing player. Youíve convinced me that heís interesting, but I still think heís a 5. Still, I donít hate it.
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Frank just turned 22 last July.

Dude has probably more potential than any guy left at #31. He checks so many boxes for a guy you want to pair Luka with.

Wood is getting paid by Detroit and Grant by the Nuggets
Woods CAN get paid by Detroit, and they would be smart to do it. But he is unrestricted, so it's about what he wants. Which I assume would be a balance between minutes and a position to show his value. Idk of Det is the place for the latter.
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Wood is essentially off the table unless we clear contracts. He’s getting 15m per year or something from some team. Or he could take a large one year deal and bet on himself. No way he gets MLE. Too much potential.
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He is better and more productive at PF but I'd bet he could fill in at center without KP. Either way I feel like he would Excell tremendously with Lukas pNr mastery. Imagine a good finisher around the rim like DP but also poses a threat on the perimeter. Also, imagine a guy who can f things up defensively with his long arms and athleticism with switch ability. Powell and Maxi are great, but if we had a chance to consolidate that position it would be great.

We have a lot of guys that do 1 or 2 things well like seth and Burke but we need another guy to do the 3rd and 4th thing like brunson and wright.
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Wood is essentially off the table unless we clear contracts. Heís getting 15m per year or something from some team. Or he could take a large one year deal and bet on himself. No way he gets MLE. Too much potential.
The crux. I'm right there with you, he should be at the 12-17m range. I just hope the Mavs have him on their radar.
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The crux. I'm right there with you, he should be at the 12-17m range. I just hope the Mavs have him on their radar.
Yeah it’s a small sample size but he has all-star type talent. Not saying he’s that good or that he’ll be a better FA signing because he could bust. But if Davis Bertans or Jerami Grant gets 13-15m what is Wood worth? He could potentially be a good teams second best player ala Paul George or Siakam.

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The crux. I'm right there with you, he should be at the 12-17m range. I just hope the Mavs have him on their radar.
Also I think we had him on our summer league team or something at some point? Or am I mistaken? Either way, I’m sure he’s on the radar. I guess if we trade one or both of our picks in a cap clearing move there is at least a shot we have a FA target in mind. Also possible of course that it’s for Giannis

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I know Grant really well and have followed his whole career (I’m a Cuse fan with hardcore Sixers fan friends) and he came into the league with no shot. Rarely attempted a 3 in college and played in the post and Syracuse plays all zone on defense. He shot like 31% from 3 as a rookie for Philly and then like 24% his next season— at around age 22 same age Frank is now and Frankie shot like 32% last season I think.

None of this is to say that Frank would make the same strides shooting that Jerami did. But if the Mavs liked Frankie during the draft process and we already know he’s a plus defender and they think his shot, confidence etc will continue to trend up it would be not such a huge gamble to buy low if he available. Worst case I think you don’t extend the QO. I think he up for that next season?

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