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Tyrell Terry | G | Stanford | Birthdate: Sept. 28, 2000 (Age: 20) | 6-3 | 170 LBS | Hometown: Minneapolis, Minn.

BACKGROUND: Has been a winner across the board throughout his career. Mother is Carrie Grise. She is a physical therapist working in sports and raised Tyrell as a single mother for a long time. Has a younger brother that Terry watched as a babysitter for a long time when he was back in Minnesota. Elite character kid with high level of intelligence, which shouldnít come as a surprise coming from a high-end academic school like Stanford. Terry was a role player as a freshman at DeLaSalle, a basketball powerhouse in Minneapolis. He entered the starting lineup as a sophomore, as the team won a state championship in both of those seasons. Terry became even more of a central figure as a junior, although the team did not win a state title. However, it rebounded to win a state title as a senior with Terry being the clear leader. He made first team all-state and was a finalist for Minnesotaís Mr. Basketball award, losing to his AAU teammate Matthew Hurt. Terry, Hurt, and fellow potential first round pick Zeke Nnaji also led AAU team D1 Minnesota to a successful run on the adidas circuit. Ultimately was a four-star recruit ranked just outside of the consensus top-100 kids in the 2019 class. Committed to Stanford over Baylor, Indiana, Minnesota and others, but Stanford was the clear leader the whole way. Was expected to be a certain multi-year player at Stanford even by the coaching staff and those around him, but blew up in his freshman season. Led Stanford to the brink of its first NCAA Tournament appearance under Jerod Haase. Made the Pac-12ís All-Freshman team ahead of five-star recruits like Josh Green, Isaiah Mobley, CJ Walker, and Jaden McDaniels. Quickly emerged onto NBA scoutsí minds, and morphed into a real prospect. Initially decided to test the NBA Draft waters when declaring, but received feedback that he was comfortable with and decided to go pro.

YEAR TEAM LEAGUE Age GP PPG RPG APG TOPG BPG SPG FG% 3P% FT%
2019-20 Stanford NCAA (Pac-12) 19 31 14.6 4.5 3.2 2.6 0.1 1.4 44.1 40.8 89.1

STRENGTHS: A winner and a great competitor. Battles all the time. Gets frustrated in the right ways you want to see on the court, while also being encouraging and not losing confidence. Plays with underrated fire and very high-level basketball IQ. Has good feel as an off-ball defender and plays hard on that end. Has a case as the best shooter in this draft class, and would certainly be in my top-five. Just absolutely elite off the catch. Hit at an absurd 75.0 effective field goal percentage. That means he made 50 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3s this year, which is a ridiculous number. He did so with NBA range, as well. Does so off of movement with ease. Can stop on a dime and run around off-ball screens to pop and make shots. Also can roll around ball-screens to fire. Off the dribble, good at firing off of one or two-dribble pull-ups. Great at the relocation pull-up 3 after a heavy closeout. Everything Terry does with his jumper is so smooth and easy. Aligns with the basket, has absolutely tremendous balance. Itís a quiet shot. Great prep work with his feet to get aligned with the basket. Typically has a small ball dip, but can also shorten that to get a quick one off if necessary. The release isnít lightning quick, but everything else is there. He has great balance, great alignment, a very soft touch, a terrific follow through, great footwork, and an extremely confident stroke.

The threat of the jumper is what opens everything else up for him. Heís a patient driver, and can get all the way to the rim in advantageous situations. Once he gets there, heís a really high-level finisher. Made 61.5 percent of his shots at the rim in half court settings this year, as he has a variety of contortionist finishes inside. Really creative and does a great job changing the angle on rim protectors. Uses his frame well. Didnít make his floaters this year, but has all of the tools you need to have an effective floater at the next level.

Iíll also note that I think Terryís 3.2 assists per game underrate his passing ability a touch. Heís a really, really smart player who sees all of the open passes and plays in an extremely unselfish manner. Heís more than willing to throw passes that donít necessarily lead to assists around the perimeter just to keep the offense fine-tuned and moving. Always hits the open man when that guy is available. Terrific in transition at hitting the man leaking out downcourt. Very patient and draws defenders toward him, then hits the pass. Typically, much better hitting guys around the basket with little wraparounds and dump-offs. The way he plays is very conducive to a well-oiled, ball-movement offense.

WEAKNESSES: Having said that above on his passing, Iím a bit worried about him as an overall playmaker. He played this season at around 160 pounds, and is now up to 170 throughout the pre-draft process. Heís tough, plays hard and isnít afraid of the contact, but itís just really difficult for him to play through and absorb contact right now at that weight. Needs to keep getting stronger, otherwise some of the more physical defenders in the NBA could really cause him some issues.

What you see there now is that, in general, Terry isnít a particularly high-level ballhandler. He doesnít really create separation consistently enough and get into the teeth of the defense. He can do so with a ball screen, but more athletic players can recover onto him from behind. He tries to use his body to shield the ball away from defenders, but it doesnít always work as well as youíd hope because of that lack of strength. He generally also has a pretty high handle, and doesnít really have much in terms of stringing together advanced moves. Given that he also has a relative lack of burst, that can be an issue. Can pull off a hesitation followed by a crossover, but for the most part heís driving in a straight line. Really needs to improve his handle in order to break down defenses. Last season, Terry only took about 1.6 shots at the rim in the halfcourt per game, a low number for a point guard. Also only created 10 attempts in isolation, period, all year last season. Needs a ballscreen to get free.

You also see this ball control issue a bit in his passing ability. Very good from a stationary position when he can survey the court, but not much of a live-dribble passer. Can make a few going toward the rim and hitting dump-off passes or rollers. But for the most part has to jump stop or settle quickly, then hit a pass. Not much of a one-handed passer on the move. He has the vision and sees the court well, I think itís just a matter of being able execute some of the passes right now. I think Iíd bet on him being more of a positive than a negative from a ball-movement perspective, but he might not exactly be a traditional lead guard in the heliocentric sense of the word within the construct of the modern NBA.

Finally, Terryís defense is a very real concern simply due to his size, strength and athleticism. Heís really smart and knows where to be, but he just canít stay in front of anyone and was typically a mismatch magnet even in college. Canít play a switching defense with him right now. If you switch him onto an NBA big, heíll get buried inside. Even on some of the bigger, stronger wings the NBA has to offer, Terry would get shot over the top of consistently. He also really struggles on screens right now. Basically, any on-ball action, I donít have a ton of faith at the moment. I have some very real concerns about whether or not Terryís offense will outweigh his defense enough for him to be a consistent starter in the NBA. There are definitely coaches out there who could actualize his ability to battle and willingness to make plays off the ball. But itís going to be a bit situational.

SUMMARY: I really like Terry, and think he has a chance to be a major part of some winning teams. Heís a genuinely elite level shooter, a terrific decision-maker who processes the game at a really high level, and a very high-level competitor. I donít think itís an accident that Stanford got a lot better last year by essentially replacing 2019 No. 32 overall pick KZ Okpala with Terry. Terry is a winner. Iím just not necessarily convinced heís going to be able to handle being a lead guard and top offensive initiator in the NBA, which creates some questions at his size. Honestly, the guy this skillset reminds me most of is Steve Kerr. Kerr was incredibly skinny entering his career at Arizona, but was a clear basketball genius who had an exceptionally high skill level Ė particularly as a shooter. They also overlap in how incredibly competitive they both are. To me, that guy is absolutely worth a first-round pick somewhere in the back half of the first round. You give me someone who I know will knock down shots, who I can trust to always compete, and who plays in a way that helps make his teammates better? Yeah, Iím in on that. It just might take some time as Terry keeps getting bigger and stronger.

GRADE: 80. Second half of the first round.

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His quick release reminds me of Trae Young's shot. Looks about the same size as Young too.

That release should help overcome his small size/wingspan.
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His quick release reminds me of Trae Young's shot. Looks about the same size as Young too.

That release should help overcome his small size/wingspan.


I'd say he's definitely bigger than Trae but less of a quick twitch athlete.

Terry is probably 1-2 years away from being a significant contributor, butI really think he's going to be a major contributor at some point.
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I'd say he's definitely bigger than Trae but less of a quick twitch athlete.

Terry is probably 1-2 years away from being a significant contributor, butI really think he's going to be a major contributor at some point.
What is his ceiling to you? Like 6th or 7th man and getting solid rotation minutes?
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What is his ceiling to you? Like 6th or 7th man and getting solid rotation minutes?

Sorry missed this question...

You know I think it ultimately depends on how much his frame fills out and his ability to guard the pick and roll. If he's getting targeted every possession he can't be out there despite his shooting (which is why I think he fell). If he can hold his own on that end he'll be fine.
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Posted this website's write-up of Josh Green in the other thread. Here's their write-up of Tyrell Terry:

https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-dr...t-tyrell-terry


HIGHLIGHTS
-1.5 PPP off the catch (99th percentile)
-1.409 PPP running off screens (95th percentile)
-.863 PPP scoring off the pick-and-roll (77th percentile)
-.912 PPP passing out of the pick and roll (72nd percentile)
-1.462 PPP driving to the basket off a pick (96th percentile)
-.984 PPP on pull up jumpers off a pick (71st percentile)

LOWLIGHTS
-ALL things defense
-.761 PPP on shots off the dribble (50th percentile)


Basically, reiterates what we all knew. Terry is undersized and struggles defensively. He also struggles in isolation situations as he operates best spotting up or working off of picks. We need to be extremely patient. Terry is probably two years away from being viable defensively. Steph Curry entered the league after three years of college ball but was still a negative on defense for years. I don't expect Terry to see the floor much, if at all, this year.


Website had Terry as the 20th best prospect.
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Posted this website's write-up of Josh Green in the other thread. Here's their write-up of Tyrell Terry:

https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-dr...t-tyrell-terry


HIGHLIGHTS
-1.5 PPP off the catch (99th percentile)
-1.409 PPP running off screens (95th percentile)
-.863 PPP scoring off the pick-and-roll (77th percentile)
-.912 PPP passing out of the pick and roll (72nd percentile)
-1.462 PPP driving to the basket off a pick (96th percentile)
-.984 PPP on pull up jumpers off a pick (71st percentile)

LOWLIGHTS
-ALL things defense
-.761 PPP on shots off the dribble (50th percentile)


Basically, reiterates what we all knew. Terry is undersized and struggles defensively. He also struggles in isolation situations as he operates best spotting up or working off of picks. We need to be extremely patient. Terry is probably two years away from being viable defensively. Steph Curry entered the league after three years of college ball but was still a negative on defense for years. I don't expect Terry to see the floor much, if at all, this year.
Those shooting stats are going to be solid as hell next to Doncic. Basically, he was the best in the league when he got the pass and shot it. That's exactly what we need for him. He was totally mediocre when he drove and shot a jumper-- something that Rick would probably pull him if he did.

Also he won't be small next to Doncic. 6'3" Terry, 6'6" THJ, and 6'8" Doncic. That's a solid 1-3.
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Those shooting stats are going to be solid as hell next to Doncic. Basically, he was the best in the league when he got the pass and shot it. That's exactly what we need for him. He was totally mediocre when he drove and shot a jumper-- something that Rick would probably pull him if he did.

Also he won't be small next to Doncic. 6'3" Terry, 6'6" THJ, and 6'8" Doncic. That's a solid 1-3.

I don't think it matters who else is out there if Terry is the one getting targeted and is stuck defending isos and pick-and-rolls.

IMO Terry isn't ready for the NBA and I'd be shocked to see him get any minutes this season.
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I think he can be way better that Curry for several reasons:

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-better shooting off the dribble
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Whats interesting is who the Mavs had higher, Terry or Bane.

I think they take Bane If Memphis doesnt jump in. Because of defense and readiness
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I don't think it matters who else is out there if Terry is the one getting targeted and is stuck defending isos and pick-and-rolls.

IMO Terry isn't ready for the NBA and I'd be shocked to see him get any minutes this season.
I think Terry will be ready for the NBA but I agree that he probably won't get many minutes this season. Burke and Brunson will get most of the minutes but I do think Rick will at least give Terry a small look and hopefully he'll make an immediate impact like Yogi did and get more time.

Terry seems to have all of the attributes to be successful in this league and he should flourish in this system. Also, the Mavs have the pieces now to make up for one dimensional offensive players so his lack of defense will not be a big problem. Terry will also benefit from the absence of Curry and will most likely be our best sharp shooter which should make him a need at some point in the season.

Worst case: John Jenkins
Best case (long-term): Trae Young

I have extremely high expectations for him in the long-term, more than any of the other acquisitions this off-season.
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-better shooting off the dribble
Agreed. He seems to have more of an instinct for creating shots for others, too.
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Agreed. He seems to have more of an instinct for creating shots for others, too.
The thing that bothered me the most about Curry is how passive he seems to be in all aspects of his game. He seems pretty smooth but I've always thought he could be a much better all around player if he would have been more aggressive like his brother.
Terry seems to be much more aggressive and probably won't pass up some good looks like Curry often did.
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The thing that bothered me the most about Curry is how passive he seems to be in all aspects of his game. He seems pretty smooth but I've always thought he could be a much better all around player if he would have been more aggressive like his brother.
Terry seems to be much more aggressive and probably won't pass up some good looks like Curry often did.
I think what made him so cool and successful is that he was just cool as a cucumber. He just seemed to hit everything but also seemed to have that killer instinct.

Not saying Terry is better, but Curry really did lack that edge.
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The thing that bothered me the most about Curry is how passive he seems to be in all aspects of his game. He seems pretty smooth but I've always thought he could be a much better all around player if he would have been more aggressive like his brother.
Terry seems to be much more aggressive and probably won't pass up some good looks like Curry often did.
Yeah, for sure. At that size, you really need to have a killer instinct just to get shots off, let alone make them.
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The clock on Terry is going to be: how long will it take him to be playable on the defensive end? If that takes a year, I like Carlisle's chances of making him a bright spot in the rotation. If that takes his entire rookie contract, I think we'll look back on this and wish they had gotten Bane, who probably doesn't have the same upside but is much more NBA ready.

Now that we know both Brunson and Burke will be in line ahead of Terry (or Bane) at the minutes buffet, I think I'm more excited about the guy they got than the guy they didn't get. But, we'll see.
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The clock on Terry is going to be: how long will it take him to be playable on the defensive end? If that takes a year, I like Carlisle's chances of making him a bright spot in the rotation. If that takes his entire rookie contract, I think we'll look back on this and wish they had gotten Bane, who probably doesn't have the same upside but is much more NBA ready.

Now that we know both Brunson and Burke will be in line ahead of Terry (or Bane) at the minutes buffet, I think I'm more excited about the guy they got than the guy they didn't get. But, we'll see.
We had no chance at Bane. He was gone before we picked at 31.
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Old 11-29-2020, 09:23 PM   #22
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We had no chance at Bane. He was gone before we picked at 31.
lol, I'm aware.

But, there's a reason Boston traded directly in front of the Mavs to take him. I think the Mavs planned to take whichever player was there at 31, either Bane or Terry. And, I'm sure they were aware the 30th pick was being shopped on draft night. My point was that if it takes Terry the entire length of his contract year to become playable on the defensive end, we might end up wishing they had specifically targeted Bane, and not had the "either of them" approach. They could've moved up just as easily as Boston. More easily, actually.

But who knows, maybe they didn't even want Bane and tricked people into thinking they did. I don't think so, but it's possible. I'm almost certain that's what they did with Pokusevski at #18. I think there were some major smokescreens there.

Did you really think I posted that thought without knowing where Bane went in the draft?

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