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Old 11-04-2016, 08:51 AM   #1
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Definitely need one of these since our roster will likely never be healthy.

Deron questionable vs Portland with sore groin.

Harris out a few weeks with sore foot.

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Dirk Nowitzki's right Achilles' tendon soreness continues to linger. He's listed as questionable for tonight's game against Portland


At this point, I'm wondering if Dirk should just retire. Tearing your achilles isn't the way you want to go out.
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Going to be a rough season. Just hope it leads to the development of some youth and a good draft pick this summer.
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Definitely need one of these since our roster will likely never be healthy.

Deron questionable vs Portland with sore groin.

Harris out a few weeks with sore foot.

and the new update...

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Dirk Nowitzki's right Achilles' tendon soreness continues to linger. He's listed as questionable for tonight's game against Portland


At this point, I'm wondering if Dirk should just retire. Tearing your achilles isn't the way you want to go out.
Im already on record saying this will be his last season. I know he wants to hit that 20 year milestone. However, with the achilles being an issue, I wouldnt be surprised if he retired before the season even ends. Would be extremely unfortunate.
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Im already on record saying this will be his last season. I know he wants to hit that 20 year milestone. However, with the achilles being an issue, I wouldnt be surprised if he retired before the season even ends. Would be extremely unfortunate.
I doubt he retires mid-season, but I'd bet $100 that he opts out of his player option of 25mill next year
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What is this player option everyone keeps talking about? Last time I checked Dirk's contract has team option so he would later get paid after he retires this season much like Duncan.
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What is this player option everyone keeps talking about? Last time I checked Dirk's contract has team option so he would later get paid after he retires this season much like Duncan.
Yep, but that's just a technicality -- Dirk & Cubes have an agreement, but it's still pretty much Dirk's call... Yes, it guarantees his salary if he retires, but it also allows the Mavs/Dirk to free up cap space for another FA run.
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Matthews down a second time grabbing right knee. Needed help getting up and walked off gigerly
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I hate to blame coach, but he played the vets too many minutes against Indiana. That set the tone for another run the vets into the ground season. Too bad they didn't last 5 games.
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I hate to blame coach, but he played the vets too many minutes against Indiana. That set the tone for another run the vets into the ground season. Too bad they didn't last 5 games.
Nah, Carlisle just made the decision to sit them an easy one...
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I hate to blame coach, but he played the vets too many minutes against Indiana. That set the tone for another run the vets into the ground season. Too bad they didn't last 5 games.
If they can't play around 40 minutes in one game, are they even ready for the season? Being old is one thing, being injured is another one, Carlisle cannot really predict injuries. Well, other than with D-Will, who is fat. Yes, that's another one of my themes.
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Well I got flack around here when I gave crap to the FO at the end of last season for knowingly putting together an injury-prone team. Looks like they didn't learn from that.

Think about it...they honestly went into this season relying on 38 year old Dirk to carry us once again. And Matthews was likely going to be the high minutes guy...again. Absolutely nuts. Do you know that Matthews PER is 7.91 for the season?

You can't make this stuff up.
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Yeah, even Bogut is extremely injury prone. Barnes is the only piece who they got, and had a clean bill of a health and a history of being able to stay healthy. Injuries are somewhat random, but then again, with this team, this was kind of predictable. It's like whatever they do in the last couple of years, it is a disaster.

Donnie was ready to draft the Greek Freak, Cuban talks him out of it. Then you can go back, not bringing back the championship team. Dirk self-admittedly not taking care of himself during that summer (okay, I guess he deserved all the leeway after a legendary performance).

D-Will not choosing us when he was still a good player (though we may have dodged a bullet there), then the Jordan fiasco, and the fact that because of that, the FO was basically put in a tough situation, and couldn't possibly go back on their word with Matthews, who btw offered that option.

The truth is, we kind of deserve a break, and get a top pick. Sure, we won just five years ago, but everything that could go wrong after that, basically did. We need a young franchise cornerstone. And Dirk has to think long and hard if he really wants to play until he is 40, like he implied many times. This might be the year where Father Time finally gets to him.

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@espn_macmahon: Dirk Nowitzki on the Achilles soreness that will sideline him for at least a week: "It's been the same for a week now. It gets better on days off, and as soon as I go out there and try to push off, try to show on pick-and-rolls, run backwards, all that stuff is just uncomfortable and sore. So just thought I'd just shut it down. I mean, it makes no sense to keep dragging this for weeks, you know? Obviously, it hasn't really gotten better, so we're going to take a few days off and not get on the court, not do all the stuff that makes it sore. And hopefully, I'll be better in a couple days and we can ramp it back up. But for now, that's where we're at. It just hasn't gotten to the point where I can move well, where I can move pain free, so it just doesn't make any sense to be out there."
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Wonder if it's just wear and tear or there was a specific movement where he messed it up. Regardless, I hope it will not turn into anything serious.

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Well I got flack around here when I gave crap to the FO at the end of last season for knowingly putting together an injury-prone team. Looks like they didn't learn from that.

Think about it...they honestly went into this season relying on 38 year old Dirk to carry us once again. And Matthews was likely going to be the high minutes guy...again. Absolutely nuts. Do you know that Matthews PER is 7.91 for the season?

You can't make this stuff up.
Unless there is an underlying strategy behind all of that.
Perhaps it's a discrete tanking strategy.
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Is anyone talking about Bogut? Aside from sucking, I hope its non basketball related for being out for personal reasons last night. And if so, I hope all is well
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@espn_macmahon: Dirk Nowitzki on the Achilles soreness that will sideline him for at least a week: "It's been the same for a week now. It gets better on days off, and as soon as I go out there and try to push off, try to show on pick-and-rolls, run backwards, all that stuff is just uncomfortable and sore. So just thought I'd just shut it down. I mean, it makes no sense to keep dragging this for weeks, you know? Obviously, it hasn't really gotten better, so we're going to take a few days off and not get on the court, not do all the stuff that makes it sore. And hopefully, I'll be better in a couple days and we can ramp it back up. But for now, that's where we're at. It just hasn't gotten to the point where I can move well, where I can move pain free, so it just doesn't make any sense to be out there."
If that lingers (something tells me it will, cause Im a pessimist), Dirk wont be playing much this season. Right now though, Id say take the next 15 days off. Absolutely no point in rushing back.
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If that lingers (something tells me it will, cause Im a pessimist), Dirk wont be playing much this season. Right now though, Id say take the next 15 days off. Absolutely no point in rushing back.
Agree he should take as much time off as necessary but Dirk's style of play should keep him on the shelf for a shorter period of time than more athletic players.
Depending on the severity of the injury, that type takes a long time to fully heal. He'll either play through pain or let it heal completely over time. Either way the team will suffer so I'd rather just let him fully heal and let the young guys develop.

The biggest positive I can see coming from this season is the opportunity for development of our young players and the possibility of landing a future star in the draft. If Dirk wants to be on a competitive team he has a better chance of playing with a lot of athleticism and youth next season than trying to muddle through the pain of his injury with a group of unreliable injury-prone slow vets this season.

Reload with even more youth and try it again next season as far as I'm concerned.

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Devin Harris (right great toe sprain) — out

Dirk Nowitzki (right Achilles soreness) — out

Deron Williams (left calf strain) — questionable
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@espn_macmahon: Mavs PG Deron Williams (left calf strain) is doubtful for Tuesday's game against the Lakers.
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With all of the injury problems this team is having with vets, along with the direction we are heading, I'm beginning to think we will, or should have a fire sale with vets soon with the exception of Dirk of course.
HB has been the one bright spot on this team and is 24 which is still young but if we keep fighting for a low PO spot with vets, he'll be entering his prime when we seriously start the rebuilding process.
I'm thinking we need to start looking at strictly building the team around him and bring in as many players near his age and draft picks as possible while the opportunity exists. Otherwise we will just be wasting a potential star player with very little chance of acquiring a decent sidekick.

A similar strategy seemed to work out pretty well for Boston.
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With all of the injury problems this team is having with vets, along with the direction we are heading, I'm beginning to think we will, or should have a fire sale with vets soon with the exception of Dirk of course.
HB has been the one bright spot on this team and is 24 which is still young but if we keep fighting for a low PO spot with vets, he'll be entering his prime when we seriously start the rebuilding process.
I'm thinking we need to start looking at strictly building the team around him and bring in as many players near his age and draft picks as possible while the opportunity exists. Otherwise we will just be wasting a potential star player with very little chance of acquiring a decent sidekick.

A similar strategy seemed to work out pretty well for Boston.
Agree all the way. If we don't actually go into a full rebuild mode, we very well could end up like the Kings who have a good player, some average vets, and nothing to really look forward to as far as major future improvements.

We need to keep Dirk and HB, but honestly, if we can get picks for anyone else on the roster, including JJB who is carrying a huge load currently, then do it.
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I think it depends on what the return is. A 2nd rd. pick for JJB I'd rather just keep JJ, for instance. If we can package Wes and JJ for a mid 1st(or better)than by all means. Frees up cap room too.

And the Celtics example is rather unique as their fleecing of Brooklyn was pretty epic and unprecedented, at least in my recent recollection. Still not close to the greatest trade in NBA history again invovlving the Celtics- Joe Barry Carroll to to GSW for Robert Parish and the #3 pick(Kevin McHale).

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I think it depends on what the return is. A 2nd rd. pick for JJB I'd rather just keep JJ, for instance. If we can package Wes and JJ for a mid 1st(or better)than by all means. Frees up cap room too.

And the Celtics example is rather unique as their fleecing of Brooklyn was pretty epic and unprecedented, at least in my recent recollection. Still not close to the greatest trade in NBA history again invovlving the Celtics- Joe Barry Carroll to to GSW for Robert Parish and the #3 pick(Kevin McHale).
Yeah I don't think we'd get as lucky as Boston but I'm not sure they had someone the caliber of Barnes at age 24.
My main point is that I'd rather start building around Barnes with young guys instead of trying to make Barnes a catalyst with a group of washed up vets.
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Dirk..."questionable"... hmmm... a Willis Reed-style surprise...?

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Dirk Nowitzki: "The biggest issue is just the running. I'm not a big runner at this stage of my career but I can't really go up & down yet."

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Dirk Nowitzki: "I haven't really done a full practice, so I'm just not quite there yet. But the good thing is it's getting better."

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Dirk Nowitzki says he's still struggling to run on his sore right Achilles. He has no idea if he'll be ready to play Wednesday in Boston.


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Earl K. Sneed ‏@EarlKSneed 17m17 minutes ago
Dirk Nowitzki: "The biggest issue is just the running. I'm not a big runner at this stage of my career but I can't really go up & down yet."

Earl K. Sneed ‏@EarlKSneed 15m15 minutes ago
Dirk Nowitzki: "I haven't really done a full practice, so I'm just not quite there yet. But the good thing is it's getting better."

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Dirk Nowitzki says he's still struggling to run on his sore right Achilles. He has no idea if he'll be ready to play Wednesday in Boston.


Really sucks to see Dirk's career end like this.
Damn so my early prediction was nov 18...maybe push that back. Maybe retiring last year wouldve been best. Leave it all on a decent note. Glad Dirk got paid this year, but thats it.
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Yeah I don't think we'd get as lucky as Boston but I'm not sure they had someone the caliber of Barnes at age 24.
My main point is that I'd rather start building around Barnes with young guys instead of trying to make Barnes a catalyst with a group of washed up vets.
Yeah man I get where you're coming from- I agree. They should go young. There is value in having vets around especially beloved ones like JJ. I hope they can get something for Wes and Deron and Bogut especially
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Dirk Nowitzki (right Achilles soreness) — questionable

Quincy Acy (facial injury) — questionable

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What's the over/under on number of games Harris plays this year? 40?
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Bares strained calf. Out "a while"

Deron no new injury but got "stiff" and is day-to-day
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I hate how much money was spent on this roster. I seriously have no interest in watching them when Dirk is out. This team is so bad without him that it's sad. I hope that the team finishes with around 20 wins and gets a top draft pick. I'd rather they draft high than do anything else. And I wouldn't mind them tanking next season as well. 2 straight high picks can make a huge difference. But... what's this organization really done in the past 20 or so odd years with top draft picks? Did they get anywhere with them? #5 was used on Jim Jackson, #4 was used on Jamaal Mashburn, and #2 was used on Jason Kidd. A girl got in between them and tore apart the team before they could turn into anything positive. Later on we had another #5 pick that we traded for that was turned into Devin Harris. I hope the Mavericks can give the draft another try though since nothing else seems to be working right at the moment. We need promising young talent to spark interest in free agents.
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I hate how much money was spent on this roster. I seriously have no interest in watching them when Dirk is out. This team is so bad without him that it's sad. I hope that the team finishes with around 20 wins and gets a top draft pick. I'd rather they draft high than do anything else. And I wouldn't mind them tanking next season as well. 2 straight high picks can make a huge difference. But... what's this organization really done in the past 20 or so odd years with top draft picks? Did they get anywhere with them? #5 was used on Jim Jackson, #4 was used on Jamaal Mashburn, and #2 was used on Jason Kidd. A girl got in between them and tore apart the team before they could turn into anything positive. Later on we had another #5 pick that we traded for that was turned into Devin Harris. I hope the Mavericks can give the draft another try though since nothing else seems to be working right at the moment. We need promising young talent to spark interest in free agents.
The team without Dirk is bad? We were as bad if not worse WITH Dirk.

Anyway, agree that we should draft but Cuban is too impatient. He'll grab some veteran scrub who hasn't been good in 2 years and trade our first for him.
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I just wish Barnes wasn't the only young guy to be excited about
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Bryan Wilson, we need more young promising talent than just him though. They've definitely moved in the right direction by signing him even though I feel like he is overpaid. I prefer him over the other guy we replaced at least.
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