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Why were we not interested in local boy Shake Milton again? Dudes fearless.

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Erica, the state you sight are great and it’s an interesting read. But I think it’s important to take into account not just picks we made but also those traded away as well. We traded down(twice?)for Sugar Shane Larkin. I think we traded down for Cunningham? Roddy? Rudy Fernandez pick to Denver which was mid twenties. Wasn’t Devin Harris a top 6 pick?

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Wasnt Devin Harris a top 6 pick?
Devin Harris was the 5th overall pick in his draft. Dirk was the 9th overall pick in his draft. Dennis Smith Jr and Samaki Walker were also the 9th overall pick in their drafts
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not directly on topic but as i'm typing this the 76ers are going down in flames and about to be swept. How's that process looking now? understandably they're missing simmons but i'm not sure that he swings them to more than making it a bit more competitive. maybe they take a game or two rather than get swept.

it's interesting because aside from the draft tanking they've done this is a team that has swung deals for big name players through FA and trades. Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, Al Horford... and have apparently struck out. For all their big name drafting and trading and signing they've failed to construct a good team. Celtics have Hayward go down and are still rolling over them.
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not directly on topic but as i'm typing this the 76ers are going down in flames and about to be swept. How's that process looking now? understandably they're missing simmons but i'm not sure that he swings them to more than making it a bit more competitive. maybe they take a game or two rather than get swept.

it's interesting because aside from the draft tanking they've done this is a team that has swung deals for big name players through FA and trades. Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, Al Horford... and have apparently struck out. For all their big name drafting and trading and signing they've failed to construct a good team. Celtics have Hayward go down and are still rolling over them.
Philly is and will always be a terrible sports town. They're not a FA destination, but they've done the best that they could with what they had. It's just super hard if you're not NY, BOS, or LA.

But yeah, I think they can be a playoff team for 5-10 years, but they've capped out at how good they can be.
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not directly on topic but as i'm typing this the 76ers are going down in flames and about to be swept. How's that process looking now? understandably they're missing simmons but i'm not sure that he swings them to more than making it a bit more competitive. maybe they take a game or two rather than get swept.

it's interesting because aside from the draft tanking they've done this is a team that has swung deals for big name players through FA and trades. Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, Al Horford... and have apparently struck out. For all their big name drafting and trading and signing they've failed to construct a good team. Celtics have Hayward go down and are still rolling over them.
Whiffing on Fultz hurt the process when Tatum was available. Step 1 is getting a new coach. Time for a new voice in the locker room. Just shows you cant just pickup big names and hope it works.
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2020 draft:
1st round: Draft a wing who can defend and shoot
2nd round: Draft a wing who can defend and shoot
2nd round (trade for it if we need to): Draft a wing who can defend and shoot
Undrafted players: Look for a Wing who can shoot

2021 draft: see 2020 draft

Do it until we hit on one. We could be looking at a dynasty.

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2020 draft:
1st round: Draft a wing who can defend and shoot
2nd round: Draft a wing who can defend and shoot
2nd round (trade for it if we need to): Draft a wing who can defend and shoot
Undrafted players: Look for a Wing who can shoot

2021 draft: see 2020 draft

Do it until we hit on one. We could be looking at a dynasty.
I mean, we don't have a 2021, 2023, or 2025 pick and we only have one second rounder, but I see your point. Wing is the most important.

There will definitely be a good wing at 18. I'm not sure I'd keep drafting wings at 31, though. You can only develop so many guys at a time and I think we also need a good combo forward to throw at Giannis/Montrezl-types.
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I mean, we don't have a 2021, 2023, or 2025 pick and we only have one second rounder
I don't see any commitments against our 2025 draft
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I don't see any commitments against our 2025 draft
Yeah we have our 2025 right now. First article I pulled up said up to 2025, but that's only worst-case.

Pick 1 - 2021 is completely unprotected

Pick 2 - 2023 is top-10 protected. If they don't get 2023, then they get 2024 1-10 protected. If they don't get 2024 (1-10 protected), then they get 2025 (top 10 protected). If they dont get a first-rounder by 2025, then it just becomes a second-rounder.

With how we are going, next year's pick will be late first (18-30) and we'll hand over another 20-30 pick in 2023 and be done with it. That trade looked a lot better for the Knicks when we weren't a playoff team and had a chance at high picks.

What it does mean is that until 2023, the earliest of our first rounders we can trade away right now is 2026 . Best we can do until then is trade a player immediately after drafting him in 2020 or 2022 since then it's player rights and not a pick that we're trading.
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They also drafted Jae Crowder in the second round though it was quite long ago. But then of course they limited his role and traded him and Wright and a 1st for Rondo. I think that was also the Cunningham and Sarge draft. So 1 for 3 and then misjudged the guy they hit on haha!
Took all 3 of those guys with draymond green still on draft board I believe
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Took all 3 of those guys with draymond green still on draft board I believe
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Was curious so I looked and Middleton went 39 and Will Barton 40 that year too.
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2020 draft:
1st round: Draft a wing who can defend and shoot
2nd round: Draft a wing who can defend and shoot
2nd round (trade for it if we need to): Draft a wing who can defend and shoot
Undrafted players: Look for a Wing who can shoot

2021 draft: see 2020 draft

Do it until we hit on one. We could be looking at a dynasty.
I respectfully disagree. Always take BPA. We still need talent. Better athletes at any position would help this team immensely.
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We trade down from Giannis twice in part because we “needed” a point guard and wound up with Shane Larkin instead. We also passed on other much better players like Gobert(maybe because we thought we were getting Dwight Howard?)
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I respectfully disagree. Always take BPA. We still need talent. Better athletes at any position would help this team immensely.
Even if BPA is a point guard?

Yes I know there's ways to make that work but Luka is going to dominate the ball. I would rather try to get somebody who can help us off the ball and on defense.
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We trade down from Giannis twice in part because we “needed” a point guard and wound up with Shane Larkin instead. We also passed on other much better players like Gobert(maybe because we thought we were getting Dwight Howard?)
No disagreement that the office has made some god awful terrible draft moves and basically punted away the last decade after the championship to chase stars. But I'd like to think hopefully it's in the past. I don't even know how much they really cared about who they drafted then, their goal was to chase stars not draft some guy named Giannis. (their logic at the time) So it was flawed from the outset.

But you're trying to compare when we had no stars other than Dirk past his prime to now we have two. It's not the same situation at all. Unless they're clueless they have to see what's happening on the floor we need defensive help. You draft some point guard who can score but can't play defense how will that really help us?

I was somewhat being sarcastic about every draft pick being a SF but I'm not drafting a point guard unless he can play off the ball and defend. I don't think we're going to be in many situations to get great players anyway we're either going to be too good or have to give up our 1st rounders to the Knicks in the coming years.

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Even if BPA is a point guard?

Yes I know there's ways to make that work but Luka is going to dominate the ball. I would rather try to get somebody who can help us off the ball and on defense.
Yes even if its a Point Guard. What if Kira Lewis is the next Kemba and we take the next Justin Anderson instead? If we had gotten Kemba wed be legit finals threats now.
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The other thing about BPA is sometimes you trade for another star. You draft Sabonis he’s part of the package that gets Paul George.
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The other thing about BPA is sometimes you trade for another star. You draft Sabonis he’s part of the package that gets Paul George.
So you're going to draft an ill fitting player in hopes to trade for some great player? There's never a guarantee that BPA will turn out to be a star. Best player available is an evaluation not a factual thing anyone can be great or a bust and usually late first rounders that we will be stuck with aren't going to be stars. If it could be proven, Luka would have been a #1 pick, Giannis #1 etc.. but they weren't. I do grant you that Donnie wanted Giannis and Cuban said no and that was stupid, but it is in the past there's nothing we can do about it now. And it's not like we would have Giannis and still got Luka. We would have been to good to draft Luka in all likelyhood and we wouldn't have gotten KP either so let the past be the past.

I say just try to build the best team you can around Luka and that has to involve defensive minded players otherwise we'll always be a historical great offensive team who gets torched when it matters. We might be drafting in the 20s you can't predict that you will draft someone so good we could trade them for someone else better that is insane. We wont even have first round picks for 2 seperate years coming up. So I say good luck trying to draft the next star in the late teens, 20s or 2nd round if you can do that you should take Donnie's job. Unless Luka suffers a David Robinson type injury we're not going to be drafting in the lottery for a LONG time. Probably not until the 2030s.

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The Thunder have THREE point guards and they play them all - A LOT!

BPA means you have alternatives when injuries happen, BPA means you have trade capital for the next big deal, and BPA means you have improved the overall TALENT of the team

Always take the BPA. Only if the rankings are basically the same do you select for need
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Yes even if its a Point Guard. What if Kira Lewis is the next Kemba and we take the next Justin Anderson instead? If we had gotten Kemba wed be legit finals threats now.
Yep. Never draft for need. One when BPA and need coexist. Do not REACH for a guy. For the sake of this fan base please don't. We need this guy to pan out because I'm not suer how we are going to supply Luka with talent outside of the draft.
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Yep. Never draft for need. One when BPA and need coexist. Do not REACH for a guy. For the sake of this fan base please don't. We need this guy to pan out because I'm not suer how we are going to supply Luka with talent outside of the draft.
Again you guys act like we're going to be getting a top 5 pick that will change our life. In reality, this will likely be the best pick we get for a long time and without looking it will be around #18-#20 because we made the playoffs we're not a lotto team not going to be a lotto team for a very long time. So you can say pick who you think is BPA that's fine, but acting like they're going to be a life changer means you don't pay attention to the draft. Very few great players are picked outside the Lottery. It's not like the NFL where you got a first round pick you're more or less guaranteed someone great.

This is a different era than when we were in the lottery we are going to be too good those days are over. If there's a good defensive player available you take him over a good offensive player. Not saying anything that mind blowing here.

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Walking away from the draft with two of the following will make me a very happy Mavs fan:

Tier One
Devin Vassell
Tyrese Haliburton

Tier Two
Aaron Nesmith
Saddiq Bey
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Again you guys act like we're going to be getting a top 5 pick that will change our life. In reality, this will likely be the best pick we get for a long time and without looking it will be around #18-#20 because we made the playoffs we're not a lotto team not going to be a lotto team for a very long time. So you can say pick who you think is BPA that's fine, but acting like they're going to be a life changer means you don't pay attention to the draft. Very few great players are picked outside the Lottery. It's not like the NFL where you got a first round pick you're more or less guaranteed someone great.

This is a different era than when we were in the lottery we are going to be too good those days are over. If there's a good defensive player available you take him over a good offensive player. Not saying anything that mind blowing here.
Every draft has a guy that scouts are wrong about. Let's look at history bit......

Guys taken after the 18th pick includded Darius Bazley, GrantWIlliams, Brandon Clarke, Jordan Poole, KEvin Porter Jr..Eric Paschall and Bol Bol.

Are these stars or game changers?Not yet. But they are solid rotational guys that could help this team. This may be the best pick we receive for awhile so let's not take this for granted like we have in the past with drafting guys like DoJo and Mo Ager.
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Every draft has a guy that scouts are wrong about. Let's look at history bit......

Guys taken after the 18th pick includded Darius Bazley, GrantWIlliams, Brandon Clarke, Jordan Poole, KEvin Porter Jr..Eric Paschall and Bol Bol.

Are these stars or game changers?Not yet. But they are solid rotational guys that could help this team. This may be the best pick we receive for awhile so let's not take this for granted like we have in the past with drafting guys like DoJo and Mo Ager.
Kudos to Presti for the Bazley and Dort selections. Both are going to be legit contributors for many years.
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Kudos to Presti for the Bazley and Dort selections. Both are going to be legit contributors for many years.
AHh I didn't know Dort was apart of that class too. He's already defending James Harden in his rookie year. I think Dort has a high ceiling if he can get more consistent with his jump shop. Very underrated draft class from Presti there.

This is why I say don't take this draft lightly. I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know all of the prospects who will be around at that point but I do know every draft whether its considered a "weak" one or "strong" one there are always guys available.
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Yes indeed
I do wonder how do some of these guys get past up. How did anyone see Greek Freak and not take him any earlier? Even if he was a spare...at worst his floor would've been what? Tayshaun Prince? I don't get that one for the life of me.
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AHh I didn't know Dort was apart of that class too. He's already defending James Harden in his rookie year. I think Dort has a high ceiling if he can get more consistent with his jump shop. Very underrated draft class from Presti there.

This is why I say don't take this draft lightly. I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know all of the prospects who will be around at that point but I do know every draft whether its considered a "weak" one or "strong" one there are always guys available.
He was actually an undrafted guy signed to a two way. So their DFS equivalent.

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He was actually an undrafted guy signed to a two way. So their DFS equivalent.
Ahhh ok nice find.
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The Thunder have THREE point guards and they play them all - A LOT!

BPA means you have alternatives when injuries happen, BPA means you have trade capital for the next big deal, and BPA means you have improved the overall TALENT of the team

Always take the BPA. Only if the rankings are basically the same do you select for need
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Plus now with KP being a load management type player you need to get 2 more legit stars here either via trade or draft.
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The more film I watch, the more I'm convinced that Precious Achuiwa is the perfect guy for us. Guy is built like a 4, but defends like a wing and rebounds like a center. His game reminds me a lot of Josh Smith. Start him next to Porzingis and watch Luka feed him easy transition buckets.
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1) i dont think the Mavs have a shot trading a few spots up using #31 or Brunson. The teams few spots ahead of us allready have multiple picks or a glaring need for one of the SG and wings that are slotted around the late lottery

2) i checked the most important mocks and i never saw one of the following player mocked worse than #16:

Edwards
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I think thats the 15 player you can say goodbye to allready. And then your list is allready down to Poku, Bey, Maxey or Jalen Smiith with two teams still picking ahead of you.

I think the best case scenario is walking away with Poku or Bey. But looks like we still need a lot of luck for this. I really like the Athletic mocks and he has both even in the lottery.

I think we need also luck that some teams reach for player we dont have really a need for: undersized scoring guards like Cole, Kira etc...

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Im starting to really like Kira Lewis for us. His game reminds me a lot of Ja Morant. Obviously long-term his development will depend on his jumpshot, but at 18 he is definitely worth the risk given his speed, frame, and shooting #s. Ultimately I think he goes top 10.
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there's 2 Bey's... I think Saddiq goes top 15 but looks like Tyler Bey is likely to be available based on Mocks. T Bey appears to be super athletic - not sure about the outside shot, but seems to be high motor on both offense and defense.

then there's this lol - "Can Tyler Bey be the next Kawhi Leonard? - 2020 NBA Draft Prospect - Defensive Breakdown"
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Yeah i meant Saddiq because he is the higher ranked one
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I like Tyler Bey a lot. We have to give legit consideration to both him and Paul Reed at 18 (I'll also be praying that they fall to 31).
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I like Tyler Bey a lot. We have to give legit consideration to both him and Paul Reed at 18 (I'll also be praying that they fall to 31).
Tyler's biggest downside is he's got a questionable jumper - seems to do everything else well. athletic, good defender, moves well without the ball, etc.

Would he be in mix say instead of someone like Powell? maybe he could set picks and rim run etc. I think we can deal with one player next to Luka who doesn't shoot well and in the mean time have him work on the shooting.
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Tyler's biggest downside is he's got a questionable jumper - seems to do everything else well. athletic, good defender, moves well without the ball, etc.

Would he be in mix say instead of someone like Powell? maybe he could set picks and rim run etc. I think we can deal with one player next to Luka who doesn't shoot well and in the mean time have him work on the shooting.

Completely agree, but this is primarily the reason I'm hoping that Precious Achiuwa falls to 18 or we move up to get him. He has a very rare skillset in that he can rim run like a center but guard like a wing. He would bring the best of Kleber and Powell in one package. If we miss out and have to settle for Bey or Reed then we are sacrificing offense for defense.
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