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Some interesting stats for the 4/5 hybrid prospects.

Tyler Bey
22.5 y/o
-allowed 0.82 points per post up possession [52nd percentile]
-allowed 0.48 points per isolation possession [85th percentile]
-18.4% total rebound %
-3.1% steal rate
-4.2% block rate
-8.31 SOS

Paul Reed
21.25 y/o
-allowed 0.78 points per post up possession [59th percentile]
-allowed 0.55 points per isolation possession [78th percentile]
-18.4% total rebound %
-3.3% steal rate
-9.7% block rate
-8.95 SOS

Precious Achiuwa
21 y/o
-allowed just 0.61 points per one-on-one possession [76th percentile]
-18.6% total rebound %
-2.0% steal rate
-6.4% block rate
-5.07 SOS


As you can see, very similar players. Achiuwa will go first because of his physical upside. I ultimately see him being the best offensive player of the three.

After, it's a toss-up between Bey and Reed. Reed is a better interior defender. Bey is a better perimeter defender. I would love to come away from the draft with both: Bey at 18 and Reed at 31.
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Mavs can deal with one guy who can't shoot next to Luka.

Problem is that Mavs really only have one guy who can shoot next to Luka.

We simply cannot afford to draft a guy who can't shoot. Not having shooters next to Luka is like buying a sports car and not having gas for the tank.

Playoff 3pt% of guys with more than 2 attempts a game
KP - 52.9% (only played 3 of 6 games)
Curry - 47.6%
Burke 47.1%
DFS - 36.7%
Doncic - 36.4%
THJ - 35.2%
Kleber - 19.2%

Edit; That actually looks better than I thought to be honest. Had KP been healthy, we may have actually had the spacing to run our offense.
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Tyler Bey is pretty much 23y old when the next season starts..uff
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Tyler Bey is pretty much 23y old when the next season starts..uff
I mean, the pot and attitude sucked, but Josh Howard was drafted at 23 and he was stellar for us for a few seasons. Daniels was 22.

Some older players can really hit the ground running and honestly, that's what we need over a 19-year-old who is a 4-year prospect.
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We simply cannot afford to draft a guy who can't shoot. Not having shooters next to Luka is like buying a sports car and not having gas for the tank.
Mavs were second to last in steals, bottom three in deflections, average recovering loose balls, bottom four in transition attempts, bottom two in cuts to the basket (not counting pick-and-roll situations), and average in putback attempts.

IMO We're not missing shooting. Everyones' perimeter defense steps up in the playoffs. Every team has players that go cold. What we're missing is easy buckets and hustle.



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Yeah that's a tough pill to swallow at first glance, but he may fit in better with our timeline than a younger guy like Josh Green. Picking up Bey at 31 would be ideal, but who knows if he gets there.
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Mavs were second to last in steals, bottom three in deflections, average recovering loose balls, bottom four in transition attempts, bottom two in cuts to the basket (not counting pick-and-roll situations), and average in putback attempts.

IMO We're not missing shooting. Everyones' perimeter defense steps up in the playoffs. Every team has players that go cold. What we're missing is easy buckets and hustle.





Yeah that's a tough pill to swallow at first glance, but he may fit in better with our timeline than a younger guy like Josh Green. Picking up Bey at 31 would be ideal, but who knows if he gets there.
If he's smart enough and athletic enough to know how/when to cut to the basket there should be good looks for him with the attention that Luka draws. We can have one non-shooter out there possibly and still have good spacing and room to operate. The times our guys do cut usually Luka finds them for easy baskets. Long term would be fabulous if he could at least have a respectable 3pointer but if he can provide stellar defense and some energy on offense with athleticism, i could live with that.

aside from the overly hopeful "next Kawhi" comparison i've also read poor man's shawn marion. That'd be helpful as well
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I'm on the BPA bandwagon, but would love to address shooting, rebounding, and physical presence in this draft. Don't think Precious gets to us, but he'd be great at 18. The 2nd rounder offers some upside. Don't sleep on Isaiah Joe from Arkansas. Can flat out shoot and I think he would THRIVE as an off-ball shooter next to creators. Passable defender with upside given size, but the shooting is what you're after there. 31 is likely too rich, though.

I had a conversation recently regarding later picks and upside vs. college production. Think teams get too cute in the latter half of the 1st round and 2nd round. Too many times is upside overvalued where you can plug holes in your roster or at least grab a high floor contributor. Hindsight is 20/20 but I remember several draft nights seeing a really productive player fall and get passed.
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Hindsight is 20/20 but I remember several draft nights seeing a really productive player fall and get passed.
I think that guy will be Poku. Someone will eventually regret not taking him and I hope it isnít us.
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I think that guy will be Poku. Someone will eventually regret not taking him and I hope it isnít us.

His shooting form is beautiful. I believe he'll be one of the best shooters in the league at some point way down the road. He has too many limitations related to his strength to intrigue me as anything more than a priority free agent post draft.

IMO Amar Sylla is the much better international big prospect, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some team take a flier on him late first round.
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I thought I read Sylla decided not to enter the draft
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I thought I read Sylla decided not to enter the draft
he isnt (bummer) and he is kind of mocked as lottery pick next season.

But i also thought no way he gets past the Raptors or both late Celtics draft picks...
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he isnt (bummer) and he is kind of mocked as lottery pick next season.

But i also thought no way he gets past the Raptors or both late Celtics draft picks...

Ahh bummer. Was excited to see him in an NBA system.
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IMO LaMelo Ball is one of the most overrated prospects ever. I just donít see it with him. His first step isnít great, his defense isnít great, his shooting isnít great and his mechanics are bad. At best he is a Shaun Livingston type, at worst heís Lonzo Ball with poorer defense.

On the flipside, Isaiah Stewart is very underrated. The guy is one of the youngest players in this draft, but will be NBA ready day one. He plays with an uncanny relentlessness and hustle. He has soft hands and solid post moves. His jumper looks good and heís a high level free throw shooter. He sets hard picks, hits the glass, and has the tools to defend on the perimeter. Overall he sets the tone with his energy. He is exactly the type of player we are missing.
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IMO LaMelo Ball is one of the most overrated prospects ever. I just donít see it with him. His first step isnít great, his defense isnít great, his shooting isnít great and his mechanics are bad. At best he is a Shaun Livingston type, at worst heís Lonzo Ball with poorer defense.

On the flipside, Isaiah Stewart is very underrated. The guy is one of the youngest players in this draft, but will be NBA ready day one. He plays with an uncanny relentlessness and hustle. He has soft hands and solid post moves. His jumper looks good and heís a high level free throw shooter. He sets hard picks, hits the glass, and has the tools to defend on the perimeter. Overall he sets the tone with his energy. He is exactly the type of player we are missing.
yes seems like another throwback bruiser/energy type of athlete
not sure about his ability to hit from outside - definitely would be a work in progress on that end.
he's slotted at #29 on tankathon

I think Paul Reed seems more intriguing at #31 though
Hoping for best 3/d Wing prospect at #18 and then Reed at #31
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yes seems like another throwback bruiser/energy type of athlete
not sure about his ability to hit from outside - definitely would be a work in progress on that end.
he's slotted at #29 on tankathon

I think Paul Reed seems more intriguing at #31 though
Hoping for best 3/d Wing prospect at #18 and then Reed at #31
Iím not sure Reed makes it out of the first round, but Iím all for getting him at 31.
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Iím not sure Reed makes it out of the first round, but Iím all for getting him at 31.
hmmm - yeah not sure where he's pegged to go
tankathon has him at #43 or something which does seem low

probably wouldn't use 18 on him but what do i know? i just think we need switchable guys for defense that have at least some offensive potential without needing the ball.
spot up shooters, guys that can cut and rim roll, guys that can pick up garbage buckets on offensive boards, and or guys that can run and gun
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yes seems like another throwback bruiser/energy type of athlete
not sure about his ability to hit from outside - definitely would be a work in progress on that end.
he's slotted at #29 on tankathon

I think Paul Reed seems more intriguing at #31 though
Hoping for best 3/d Wing prospect at #18 and then Reed at #31
I like Reed at 31 and think heíd be great in our front court rotation. Very good defender and rebounder. Good size and length to defend up to 3 positions and an offensive game that looks like it has some upside. Maybe a poor mans Ibaka.
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This AZ boy may be a good pickup in the second round if Powell really is good and done. I wouldnt pull the trigger at 18, but at 31 I'd take him if he was there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85VLpmZM1Ww

I saw him a couple times with UofA and he looked solid. I imagine he'd average 16ppg with Doncic throwing him passes.

Like Powell, he's gotta work on that jumper, but he has a great physical toolset to defend, rebound, and enforce his will.
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1. Minnesota Timberwolves
Isaac Okoro | 6-8 wing | 19 years old, freshman | Auburn
Yes, Iím doing it. Iím giving the TWolves what they really need, a wing defender. Specifially, Okoro is THE wing defender in this draft. He can play anything 2-4 and will look good next to KAT and Russell.

2. Golden State Warriors
Obi Toppin | 6-9 forward/center | 22 years old, sophomore | Dayton
Warriors arenít going to waste the last few years of Curry, Klay, and Green by rolling the dice on Wiseman. Theyíre going to pick up the extremely skilled and versatile Toppin. I also donít think the Warriors are trading this pick. They need someone who can contribute now at a low price tag while transitioning them to their post-dynasty future.

3. Charlotte Hornets
Anthony Edwards | 6-5 guard | 19 years old, freshman | Georgia
Well, the Hornets struggled to score last season, and they pick up the best pure scorer in the draft. They will look to ease up the logjam by trading Malik Monk for a pick later in the draft.

4. Chicago Bulls
Tyrese Haliburton | 6-5 guard | 20 years old, sophomore | Iowa State
Bulls need someone to replace Kris Dunn and opt for Haliburtonís developed all-around game over Ball. Also came close to giving them Pat Williams or Deni Avdija.

5. Cleveland Cavaliers
Patrick Williams | 6-8 forward/wing | 18 years old, freshman | Florida State
Cavs select the versatile high-upside forward over the more physically limited 3-and-D wings.

6. Atlanta Hawks
Devin Vassell | 6-5 wing | 19 years old, sophomore | Florida State
Hawks continue their quest to surround Trae with 3-and-D guys. Ball and Wiseman continues their falls.

7. Detroit Pistons
LaMelo Ball | 6-6 guard | 18 years old | Illawarra Hawks
What do you give the team that has nothing? A point guard you hope will kick start the anemic offense.

8. New York Knicks
Killian Hayes | 6-5 guard | 18 years old, freshman | Ulm
Who knows what the Knicks are going to do, but Killian gives them a versatile combo guard who can play 1 or 2.

9. Washington Wizards
James Wiseman | 7-1 center | 19 years old, freshman | Memphis
Wisemanís fall ends here. Wizards imagine a high-flying offense with Thomas Bryant off the bench and Wiseman anchoring the defense.

10. Phoenix Suns
Kira Lewis Jr. | 6-3 guard | 19 years old, sophomore | Alabama
Rubio quietly had a very good season, but what the Suns need is someone who can consistently get dribble penetration, Lewis is that guy.

11. San Antonio Spurs
Deni Avdija | 6-9 forward | 19 years old | Maccabi Tel-Aviv
Spurs are a long way from competing, so they go with the best offensive prospect available. Avdija has an advanced offensive game, but it remains to be seen if he is athletic enough to keep up on defense.

12. Sacramento Kings
Tyrese Maxey | 6-3 guard | 19 years old, freshman | Kentucky
Maxey is an underrated defender both on and off the ball. On offense he has a wide array of tools but needs to be more consistent. Kings view him as a combo guard who can create when Fox is out.

13. New Orleans Pelicans
Saddiq Bey | 6-8 wing | 20 years old, sophomore | Villanova
Pels take a hard look at Okongwu, but ultimately decide they donít want anyone crowding Zion, and believe in Jaxson Hayes. Pels get an elite 3-and-D guy instead.

14. Boston Celtics (via MEM)
Onyeka Okongwu | 6-9 center | 19 years old, freshman | USC
An absolute coup for the Celtics at this point in the draft. Okongwu falls because of concerns regarding his size, and team needs of the teams above.

15. Orlando Magic
Aaron Nesmith | 6-6 wing | 20 years old, sophomore | Vanderbilt
Hard pick here. Magic ultimately need outside shooting more than they need anything else.

16. Portland Trail Blazers
Josh Green | 6-6 wing | 19 years old, freshman | Arizona
Blazers needs someone (anyone) who can guard the perimeter and complement Dame + CJ.

17. Minnesota Timberwolves
Tyrell Terry | 6-1 guard | 19 years old, freshman | Stanford
Probably one of the more polarizing players in the draft. Has a Steph Curry-like shot/ range, but could easily just be more Seth Curry. Either way, heís the best pure shooter in the draft and potentially has a ton of upside.

18. Dallas Mavericks
Precious Achiuwa | 6-9 forward/center | 20 years old, freshman | Memphis
Did I really want the Mavs to end up with him in this mock? Yes. Nonetheless I promise thatís just the way it turned out. Precious is exactly the type of high energy, versatile, inside player that can thrive with Luka running the show and KP spacing.

19. Brooklyn Nets (via PHI)
Desmond Bane | 6-5 guard | 22 years old, senior | TCU
The Nets are in win-now mode, and will be losing a lot of depth at guard this offseason. Bane is an elite shooter and above average defender with great intangibles. He excels at coming off screens, but there are legit questions about his explosiveness and short wingspan.

20. Miami Heat
Theo Maledon | 6-4 guard | 19 years old | ASVEL
Heat consider Cole Anthony, but ultimately decide they need someone with better passing skills. Theyíll resign Dragic to a one-year deal and draft someone like Maledon, or sign Fred VanVleet to a max deal in FA.

21. Philadelphia 76ers (via OKC)
Cole Anthony | 6-3 guard | 20 years old, freshman | North Carolina
Philly ultimately needs someone who can score in bunches and Anthony fits the bill.

22. Denver Nuggets
Isaiah Stewart | 6-9 center | 19 years old, freshman | Washington
With Millsap and Plumlee expiring, the Nuggets take the energetic Stewart who can potentially, eventually play long stretches alongside Jokic.

23. Utah Jazz
Jahmiíus Ramsey | 6-4 guard | 19 years old, freshman | Texas Tech
Jazz are in win-now mode and need a point guard, but donít like any of their options. They take the young combo guard and hope he develops sooner rather than later.

24. Milwaukee Bucks (via IND)
Ty-Shon Alexander | 6-4 guard | 22 years old, junior | Creighton
Bucks donít really have any room for improvement other than the draft due to cap limitations. With Wes Matthews potentially walking, they take the Alexander whose defense and shooting will allow him to play immediately.

25. Oklahoma City (via DEN)
Jaden McDaniels | 6-10 forward | 19 years old, freshman | Washington
OKC will hope that being around Paul and Adams with set McDaniels straight. If theyíre right, they may have the steal of the draft on their hands.

26. Boston Celtics
Robert Woodard | 6-7 wing/forward | 20 years old, sophomore | Mississippi State
Another wing for the Celts? If ainít broke, donít fix it. Plus Haywardís gone after 2021.

27. New York Knicks (via LAC)
Tyler Bey | 6-7 wing | 22 years old | Colorado
Heíll play the 3, 4, and 5 for a Knicks teams trying to put together a roster that makes sense.

28. Los Angeles Lakers
Immanuel Quickley | 6-2 guard | 20 years old, sophomore | Kentucky
Quickley is a knockdown shooter whose impressive wingspan allows him to play solid D. He fits in well here.

29. Toronto Raptors
Jalen Smith | 6-10 forward/center | 20 years old, sophomore | Maryland
With Gasol and Ibaka both potentially walking, the Raptors need a big man. Smith can stretch the floor or operate in the pick and roll.

30. Boston Celtics (via MIL)
R.J. Hampton | 6-5 guard | 19 years old | New Zealand Breakers
This yearís Terrance Fergunson. Celts have the benefit of being able to stash him in the G League.

31. Dallas Mavericks (via GSW)
Devon Dotson | 6-2 guard | 20 years old, sophomore | Kansas
Mavs need someone besides Luka who can break down a defense, and Dotson has the quickest first step in the draft. If he adds a jumper heíll be a lot to deal with.
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Really nice effort but some of the picks doesnt really make sense. There is no way in hell the Wolves are reaching for Okoro. Specially with them having #17 and the option to pick up a 3&D wing there. And there are allready reports that the Wolves are open trading the pick. They trade the pick or they pick the BPA (Edwards/Wiseman). They also wouldnt pick Terry at #17 when Achiuwa is still on the board. He would walk into the Wolves starting five.

Warriors also dont take Toppin. Either Edwards or Wiseman, thats pretty much an open secret (they like Edwards more)

You also forgot Poku

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Really nice effort but some of the picks doesnt really make sense. There is no way in hell the Wolves are reaching for Okoro. Specially with them having #17 and the option to pick up a 3&D wing there. And there are allready reports that the Wolves are open trading the pick. They trade the pick or they pick the BPA (Edwards/Wiseman). They also wouldnt pick Terry at #17 when Achiuwa is still on the board. He would walk into the Wolves starting five.

Warriors also dont take Toppin. Either Edwards or Wiseman, thats pretty much an open secret (they like Edwards more)

You also forgot Poku

Tried to change things up a bit. I don't think teams are as sold on Edwards as you indicate -- there are some legit questions about his work ethic, defense, and fit. Okoro has DPOY potential and would slot in at the 4 next to KAT. I think there will be a run on wings leading to some of the guards dropping.

Terry at 17 makes sense if you think Okoro is a 4. Wolves desperately need shooting and Terry is the best shooter in the draft.

Warriors take Toppin because they don't see a trade on the horizon and he brings an NBA-ready skillset that allows them to keep their floor spacing offense. Wiseman is a physical freak, but he doesn't have nearly the track record and offensive skill that someone like Deandre Ayton came in with. Just my $.02.
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Tried to change things up a bit. I don't think teams are as sold on Edwards as you indicate -- there are some legit questions about his work ethic, defense, and fit. Okoro has DPOY potential and would slot in at the 4 next to KAT. I think there will be a run on wings leading to some of the guards dropping.

Terry at 17 makes sense if you think Okoro is a 4. Wolves desperately need shooting and Terry is the best shooter in the draft.

Warriors take Toppin because they don't see a trade on the horizon and he brings an NBA-ready skillset that allows them to keep their floor spacing offense. Wiseman is a physical freak, but he doesn't have nearly the track records and offensive skill that someone like Deandre Ayton came in with. Just my $.02.
Not sure about Okoro at #1 either but i guess you could just as easily mock up a trade down for them where they then pick up Okoro.

Tankathon has Maxey going to the Mavs - not exactly who i'd have in mind. Interested to see that you have him going to the Kings... have they given up on Buddy?

you don't think Poku will go first round? i think one of the teams with multiple picks will take a flyer on him if the Mavs don't.
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Not sure about Okoro at #1 either but i guess you could just as easily mock up a trade down for them where they then pick up Okoro.

Tankathon has Maxey going to the Mavs - not exactly who i'd have in mind. Interested to see that you have him going to the Kings... have they given up on Buddy?

you don't think Poku will go first round? i think one of the teams with multiple picks will take a flyer on him if the Mavs don't.

I'm personally not seeing it with Poku. I do understand the Davis Bertans comparisons, but his frame is the furthest thing from NBA-ready. He's one of those "two years away from being two years away" guys IMO. But, like you said, I could see a team taking him second half of the first round and stashing him.
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I'm personally not seeing it with Poku. I do understand the Davis Bertans comparisons, but his frame is the furthest thing from NBA-ready. He's one of those "two years away from being two years away" guys IMO. But, like you said, I could see a team taking him second half of the first round and stashing him.
I agree actually - i don't really want the Mavs in on him because i think we've got to go for someone who can provide more immediate impact. He's definitely a few years away. UNLESS Donnie sees something and wants him - after skipping on Giannis i'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I did look up Amar Sylla and he looks like he's just got stupid length and athletcism. he's a project i'd go for because he looks like he'd be a difference on maker on defense right away.
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I'm personally not seeing it with Poku. I do understand the Davis Bertans comparisons, but his frame is the furthest thing from NBA-ready. He's one of those "two years away from being two years away" guys IMO. But, like you said, I could see a team taking him second half of the first round and stashing him.
Poku has Boston written all over him.
Boston would be foolish not to take him at 26 or 30 and we would be foolish not to take him at 31 if he is still on the board.

He'd be a great pick for us with KP's injury issues and would provide some insurance. He's also a perfect fit and a Donnie type of pick. #18 is probably too high but could even see us trading back and adding a pick if he is our guy.

I think he has the highest potential of anyone outside the lotto and could eventually be a top 5 player out of this draft. Seven footers with his skills are extremely rare to the point of non-existence. Biggest question for him is whether he can stay healthy with that frame.

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Will have to agree to disagree with the Poku fans. His combination of size and handles is definitely interesting, but he is going to get pushed around in the league. Heís not going to be able to get to his spots on offense, and will be targeted on defense. I will eat my crow if he pans out.
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Terry's best cast is the other NBA Terry. His worst case looks like Seth Curry.

Small SG who can't really pass, scrappy steals guy who will get abused because of size, good stroke, pretty good decision making
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Will have to agree to disagree with the Poku fans. His combination of size and handles is definitely interesting, but he is going to get pushed around in the league. He’s not going to be able to get to his spots on offense, and will be targeted on defense. I will eat my crow if he pans out.
Part of his game reminds me of pre-injured Parsons. He likes to drive the lane from either elbow and then has a nice spin move to shoot a 10footer in the lane over a defender and his stroke is pretty sweet.

You are right though, his lack of strength is the big knock on him and it will take a few years for him to fully develop. If he can develop his body and stay healthy he will be a solid player in this league. KP's game doesn't look like it will age well even if he fully recovers from this injury so Poku might slip nicely into his role if he fully develops. I think this guy will be worth the wait and his development could go a lot quicker on this team because he would be such a nice fit.

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Here's my five most underrated guys in the 2020 draft. Before I begin, a bit of a not-so-humble brag. Last May I posted my five underrated guys for the 2019 draft:

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1) Tyler Herro - kid may not have the ideal frame, but he can absolutely shoot lights out... his ability to shoot off screens seals the deal for me

2) Keldon Johnson - smooth small forward reminiscent of Jayson Tatum... more advanced skillset than Reddish and Little

3) Daniel Gafford - said it above, but his defensive versatility and rim-running is exactly what you need from a center

4) Brandon Clarke - undersized, but his motor, timing, and tenacity are all elite.. like Gafford fits the role of the modern 5 very well

5) Matisse Thybulle - elite perimeter defender with higher offensive upside than Andre Roberson

Needless to say, I killed it:

Tyler Herro averaged 13 ppg on 43/39/87 splits. He's averaging 16 in the playoffs and playing over 30 mpg for the Heat.

Keldon Johnson ended the season with two back-to-back 24-point performances. He averaged 14.1 points on 64% shooting in the bubble. He also averaged 1.4 threes on 65% from downtown. He even managed to get some praise from Pop.

Daniel Gafford led all rookies in blocks and shot over 70% from the field as one of the few bright spots on the Bulls.

Brandon Clarke finished 4th in rookie of the year voting.

Matisse Thybulle is already one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.


Should the Mavs hire me and pay me to watch more Youtube highlights from home? Yes. Nonetheless I'll continue to share my guru-like armchair scout revelations for free dissemination to the masses. I digress. Without further ado:


Five Underrated Players

1) Isaiah Stewart -> I've been on the Isaiah Stewart bandwagon for quite some time now. Every time I see his film I just can't imagine him not succeeding in the league. He's absolutely tenacious and relentless, but also has moments showcasing finesse and touch. He will have a consistent midrange jumper in the NBA, he shot 77% from the line with over six attempts a game. And, he brought his best against the best:

29 & 12 vs. Arizona.
16 & 7 & 2 blocks/ 2 steals vs. Arizona.
23 & 8 & 4 blocks vs. Colorado.
25 & 19 & 5 blocks & 2 steals vs. Oregon
21 & 10 vs. Gonzaga

2) Kira Lewis -> I think he's the first point off the board, but I still find that he's underrated by fans. He's a lot like Ja Morant.

3) Immanuel Quickley -> was written off by a lot of people after his poor freshman year, but the guy shot 43% from deep and over 92% from the line on over 5 attempts a game. He's also quick laterally and a legitimately good on ball defender. He would be straight fire with someone like Luka. He's great at getting open and into passing lanes.

4) Jahmi'us Ramsey -> one of the youngest players in the draft (just turned 19 in June) but a very skilled combo guard who can score at all three levels. Not crazy athletic, but his finishing skills remind me a bit of Donovan Mitchell. He'll take some time, but I see him being a complete player at the next level. He's strong, crafty, can finish with both hands, and has a consistent shooting stroke.

5) Tyrell Terry -> kid can just plain shoot. He can shoot off screen, shoot spotting up, shoot off the dribble.... kid can shoot. He's also craftier than you think around the rim, where he made over 60% of his shots. His size will be an issue in pick and roll defense, but if he dedicates himself to improving lateral quickness and fighting around screens he can be a steal.
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Here's my five most underrated guys in the 2020 draft. Before I begin, a bit of a not-so-humble brag. Last May I posted my five underrated guys for the 2019 draft:




Needless to say, I killed it:

Tyler Herro averaged 13 ppg on 43/39/87 splits. He's averaging 16 in the playoffs and playing over 30 mpg for the Heat.

Keldon Johnson ended the season with two back-to-back 24-point performances. He averaged 14.1 points on 64% shooting in the bubble. He also averaged 1.4 threes on 65% from downtown. He even managed to get some praise from Pop.

Daniel Gafford led all rookies in blocks and shot over 70% from the field as one of the few bright spots on the Bulls.

Brandon Clarke finished 4th in rookie of the year voting.

Matisse Thybulle is already one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.


Should the Mavs hire me and pay me to watch more Youtube highlights from home? Yes. Nonetheless I'll continue to share my guru-like armchair scout revelations for free dissemination to the masses. I digress. Without further ado:


Five Underrated Players

1) Isaiah Stewart -> I've been on the Isaiah Stewart bandwagon for quite some time now. Every time I see his film I just can't imagine him not succeeding in the league. He's absolutely tenacious and relentless, but also has moments showcasing finesse and touch. He will have a consistent midrange jumper in the NBA, he shot 77% from the line with over six attempts a game. And, he brought his best against the best:

29 & 12 vs. Arizona.
16 & 7 & 2 blocks/ 2 steals vs. Arizona.
23 & 8 & 4 blocks vs. Colorado.
25 & 19 & 5 blocks & 2 steals vs. Oregon
21 & 10 vs. Gonzaga

2) Kira Lewis -> I think he's the first point off the board, but I still find that he's underrated by fans. He's a lot like Ja Morant.

3) Immanuel Quickley -> was written off by a lot of people after his poor freshman year, but the guy shot 43% from deep and over 92% from the line on over 5 attempts a game. He's also quick laterally and a legitimately good on ball defender. He would be straight fire with someone like Luka. He's great at getting open and into passing lanes.

4) Jahmi'us Ramsey -> one of the youngest players in the draft (just turned 19 in June) but a very skilled combo guard who can score at all three levels. Not crazy athletic, but his finishing skills remind me a bit of Donovan Mitchell. He'll take some time, but I see him being a complete player at the next level. He's strong, crafty, can finish with both hands, and has a consistent shooting stroke.

5) Tyrell Terry -> kid can just plain shoot. He can shoot off screen, shoot spotting up, shoot off the dribble.... kid can shoot. He's also craftier than you think around the rim, where he made over 60% of his shots. His size will be an issue in pick and roll defense, but if he dedicates himself to improving lateral quickness and fighting around screens he can be a steal.
Stewart is definitely a guy I'd love to see on our roster but at 25% 3pt shooting I'm wondering how much PT he'd get in Carlisle's system.
I'm also a little leary about strong undersize big men coming from college because their games don't always transfer well to the NBA. I remember Thomas Robinson being an absolute beast at the collegiate level because he was strong as an ox but he struggled and was basically a lotto bust in the NBA because he faced bigger and faster players.

I'm not sure what Stewart would give us that WCS doesn't. I wouldn't mind taking him at #31 if Poku isn't there but no way do I take Stewart over Poku.

I do agree we need someone with Stewart's strength on our roster but I think there are better means of getting them and would rather roll the dice on a solid wing or a player with a skillset that is more conducive to the new NBA.

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Here's my five most underrated guys in the 2020 draft. Before I begin, a bit of a not-so-humble brag. Last May I posted my five underrated guys for the 2019 draft:




Needless to say, I killed it:

Tyler Herro averaged 13 ppg on 43/39/87 splits. He's averaging 16 in the playoffs and playing over 30 mpg for the Heat.

Keldon Johnson ended the season with two back-to-back 24-point performances. He averaged 14.1 points on 64% shooting in the bubble. He also averaged 1.4 threes on 65% from downtown. He even managed to get some praise from Pop.

Daniel Gafford led all rookies in blocks and shot over 70% from the field as one of the few bright spots on the Bulls.

Brandon Clarke finished 4th in rookie of the year voting.

Matisse Thybulle is already one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.


Should the Mavs hire me and pay me to watch more Youtube highlights from home? Yes. Nonetheless I'll continue to share my guru-like armchair scout revelations for free dissemination to the masses. I digress. Without further ado:


Five Underrated Players

1) Isaiah Stewart -> I've been on the Isaiah Stewart bandwagon for quite some time now. Every time I see his film I just can't imagine him not succeeding in the league. He's absolutely tenacious and relentless, but also has moments showcasing finesse and touch. He will have a consistent midrange jumper in the NBA, he shot 77% from the line with over six attempts a game. And, he brought his best against the best:

29 & 12 vs. Arizona.
16 & 7 & 2 blocks/ 2 steals vs. Arizona.
23 & 8 & 4 blocks vs. Colorado.
25 & 19 & 5 blocks & 2 steals vs. Oregon
21 & 10 vs. Gonzaga

2) Kira Lewis -> I think he's the first point off the board, but I still find that he's underrated by fans. He's a lot like Ja Morant.

3) Immanuel Quickley -> was written off by a lot of people after his poor freshman year, but the guy shot 43% from deep and over 92% from the line on over 5 attempts a game. He's also quick laterally and a legitimately good on ball defender. He would be straight fire with someone like Luka. He's great at getting open and into passing lanes.

4) Jahmi'us Ramsey -> one of the youngest players in the draft (just turned 19 in June) but a very skilled combo guard who can score at all three levels. Not crazy athletic, but his finishing skills remind me a bit of Donovan Mitchell. He'll take some time, but I see him being a complete player at the next level. He's strong, crafty, can finish with both hands, and has a consistent shooting stroke.

5) Tyrell Terry -> kid can just plain shoot. He can shoot off screen, shoot spotting up, shoot off the dribble.... kid can shoot. He's also craftier than you think around the rim, where he made over 60% of his shots. His size will be an issue in pick and roll defense, but if he dedicates himself to improving lateral quickness and fighting around screens he can be a steal.
Great stuff thanks! I like Terry a lot too. May be a better athlete than he appears? I think he and Kira will rise as we get closer to the draft.
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Unless it’s an absolute no brainer move, I would be really happy to see them stay put and make two picks in a relatively deep draft. Someone good from the group of Nesmith, Precious, Bey/Bey, Green, Kira, Maxey, Cole Anthony, Tyrell Terry, Poku, Maledon, Rj Hampton will be there at 18. My personal opinion is Kira, Precious and Nesmith won’t make it to us.

I had another look at Cassius Stanley who could be there at 31. 6-6 and Uber athletic, nice stroke. Will have to loom at Quiickley again.

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I’m imagining an off-season where we add something like Saddiq Bey, Cassius Stanley in the draft. Someone like Saric with Full MLE (he’s restricted unfortunately) or Derrick Jones Jr., Connaughton with part of MLE. And a couple of big 3/4/5 bodies for vet min (Aaron Baynes, Millsap, JayMichael? Though they will get more from someone).

Keep power relatively dry for FA but still get younger, tougher and more athletic.

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I wonder if we could get off enough contracts to throw a serious offer at Christian Wood, Jerami Grant, Lug Dort, Gallo, Bertrans, Joe Harris level of guys that will be above MLE.
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I love Jerami Grant. Don't think they can get him though.
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I love Jerami Grant. Don't think they can get him though.
I donít think so either. I think Denver is going to offer 4yr. 60m or something like it. I just hope we use the MLE if someone decent is available and not ďplan powderĒ part 11. MLE is a 3yr. minimum so that rules out olds like Millsap and Baynes. Saric isnít a great defender but I think he would fit well here and could give us some secondary shot creation. Phoenix probably matches MLE for him though.
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I donít think so either. I think Denver is going to offer 4yr. 60m or something like it. I just hope we use the MLE if someone decent is available and not ďplan powderĒ part 11. MLE is a 3yr. minimum so that rules out olds like Millsap and Baynes. Saric isnít a great defender but I think he would fit well here and could give us some secondary shot creation. Phoenix probably matches MLE for him though.
So youíre not in favor of bringing Burke back, then?
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So youíre not in favor of bringing Burke back, then?
Iím one of the most adamant around here that we desperately need another secondary ball handler/ creator and I donít think Brunson is the answer. I think Brunson is a good player on a good contract and still has room to improve but not a guy who can consistently get his own. KP just hasnít been that efficient in the post or off the bounce. He seemed more efficient in the mid range against the Clipper and maybe thatís a harbinger of better things. But he lacks the quicks and explosion that give, say, Anthony Davis his space for wide open mid range shots. He lacks the strength and obviously the vision of Jokic. Hardaway? Seth? They should be 4th, 5th, 6th options. Brunson too.

I think teams are always going to scheme to get the ball out of Lukas hands and luckily we have RC who is crafty enough to counter.. But we desperately need a guy quick off the bounce who can make a team pay and also simply to give Luka some rest from the heavy useage. I like Burke but I worry about having/paying/playing so many small guys without the defensive chops of Lowrey and Van Vleet. With MLE the priority should be big long wings who can guard 3-5. Maybe we get one or two guys like that in the draft? Maybe we donít love the options in FA and give Burke a chunk of the MLE? I just wonder about committing resources and minutes to Burke if you have already have smallish guards in Brunson and Seth not to mention what happens if we canít offload Delon? Where will the minutes come from? Maybe we look to move Brunson in the right deal?

I think Burke was/is for us a smaller version of what Utah traded for in Clarkson. They were another team that lacked creators, even pre Bogdan injury. If they think he can give reliably give the team Clarkson like production for half the cost maybe thatís a good value? I think Clarkson gets someoneís MLE or close to it.
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