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Old 02-08-2019, 03:47 PM   #81
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Jack, I don't get that market analysis. 7+ million in the market area, but only 2 million TVs? Are they talking about viewers? I doubt 7 million New Yorkers sit around watching the Knicks/Nets on a Saturday. Dallas by itself is about 1.3 million, with Ft. Worth, that may be correct. With Arlington, Frisco, Plano, Southlake, Flowermound, Rockwall, Forney, Fate, etc., etc, etc., that's just BS!
I assume it means households. For example, maybe in Philly even though there are way fewer people than in DFW, in DFW it's more families in large households, whereas in Philly it's more single people in smaller households and apartments? That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
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Jack, I don't get that market analysis. 7+ million in the market area, but only 2 million TVs? Are they talking about viewers? I doubt 7 million New Yorkers sit around watching the Knicks/Nets on a Saturday. Dallas by itself is about 1.3 million, with Ft. Worth, that may be correct. With Arlington, Frisco, Plano, Southlake, Flowermound, Rockwall, Forney, Fate, etc., etc, etc., that's just BS!
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@NickVanExit: Zach Lowe said he heard a lot of people around the league say, “Justin Jackson might be better than Harrison Barnes.”

@NickVanExit: He went on to say he personally disagrees with them though.
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It's looking like the Mavs are making some good moves. Justin Jackson is a solid player who will be a good role player along with Doncic and Porzingis. 30 mill in cap space = a top notch FA. Looking pretty good to me.
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Jackson has a nice runner in the lane that is his signature move. It's very Luka-esque.

Otherwise, he has a lot of work to do. High energy guy though which should work great off the bench.
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Jackson reminds me a little bit of Barnes.....Matt Barnes.

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Its not the number of people in DFW that makes it less attractive. There's a reason guys would rather play in smaller markets like Miami and San Fransisco. They are cooler cities to live in. Dallas is a lot of good things, but hip is not one of them. If you are a typical NBA star, you would be black, young and wealthy. If you were making a list of cool cities to live in, DFW would rate way below Mia, DC, Philly Atl, Chi.
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Its not the number of people in DFW that makes it less attractive. There's a reason guys would rather play in smaller markets like Miami and San Fransisco. They are cooler cities to live in. Dallas is a lot of good things, but hip is not one of them. If you are a typical NBA star, you would be black, young and wealthy. If you were making a list of cool cities to live in, DFW would rate way below Mia, DC, Philly Atl, Chi.
Dallas is a great city for a lot of reasons. It's in Texas, so that means Texans, no state income tax, diversified economy. There is a whole lot to like about Texas. It's also a great place to raise a family. However, it's a bit lacking in lifestyle opportunity in some respects. I grew up in Ft. Worth, went to college at SMU and love Dallas, but it's too landlocked for me. Yeah, there are lakes, but I don't scuba dive or spearfish in lakes. :-D I have to live near salt water and beaches.
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Its not the number of people in DFW that makes it less attractive. There's a reason guys would rather play in smaller markets like Miami and San Fransisco. They are cooler cities to live in. Dallas is a lot of good things, but hip is not one of them. If you are a typical NBA star, you would be black, young and wealthy. If you were making a list of cool cities to live in, DFW would rate way below Mia, DC, Philly Atl, Chi.
I don't buy this at all. If any of those above cities are prime free agent destinations, I haven't seen it the evidence for it.

Big free agent signings in the last decade for Miami and San Francisco/Oakland

Miami in 2010- Bosh signed with Wade SPECIFICALLY with the hope of him and Wade being able to lure Lebron. The plan worked. The appeal from the very beginning was the three of them being able to form a superteam and win titles. Maimi being "cool" I think had exactly nothing to do with it. If I'm wrong, then who exactly have they lured in with their "coolness" since Lebron left?

Durant in 2016- Wanted an easy path to multiple titles and joined an already existing superteam. If said superteam had been in Utah or Memphis, I believe that's where he would have gone. I don't think Silicon Valley is more any more attractive for young weatlhy black men than DFW or Houston or any other "mid market" team. GSW is trendy now because they're utterly f*cking dominant. After that dynasty is over and they've had a few years of mediocrity, we'll see if they don't revert back to the mean. I'm betting they will. Let's also not forget that Durant was specifically disgruntled in OKC because he couldn't stand Westbrook. If Westbrook wasn't such a pain in the ass, Durant would almost certainly still be in small market OKC to this day.

Chicago MAYBE you could say is slightly more of a "glamor" city, but again, if that means it's more of a target destination for free agents, I haven't seen the evidence for that. Not since the Jordan years anyway. You NEVER hear Chicago named as a "top" free agent market- not any more than Dallas. Indeed, Chicago has a much more extensive history of LOSING their star players than attracting them. My point once again being that the whole narrative is silly. What people really mean when they say "small market" is simply "not New York or LA." Those are the ONLY two "glamour" markets. And really I'd narrow it down to JUST the Lakers. The Lakers are the ONLY team that has been able to lure big free agents on the franchise glamour alone. Maybe the Knicks would be able to if the franchise wasn't a dumpster fire, but it is. And frankly I doubt that too, because even when they were title contenders in the 90s, they never attracted superstar free agents. The Nets and the Clippers haven't exactly landed superstars in the FA market either. The Lakers, and ONLY the Lakers have a history of attracting superstars, and I think that has as much to do with their championship history as it does with the Hollywood glamour.

Atlanta/DC/Philly??? No way. Not even frigging close. Who exactly are the elite free agents they've signed in the last 20+ years? I guess Dwight Howard for Atlanta, but he made a big deal out of that being his hometown- not because it was better for a wealthy young black men.

If I'm wrong, then show me evidence. Superstar free agents in the last 20 years that have signed with "mid-market" teams, outside of Lebron for Miami and Durant for GSW. Scientifically speaking, you need at least 3 to illustrate a pattern. Beyond that, show me a single quote, from any player EVER saying they specifically passed up Dallas because it wasn't "cool" enough for them.

Here's why I think the whole "star players want to go to big markets" thing is silly. I think most players don't give a crap about that. They want to play where A: they can win, and B: they make the most money. Almost none of them actually live in the cities they play for, so they give less then a crap how "hip" the city is. This is why when superstars hit the free agent market, nine times out of ten they re-sign with their home teams. Now ok yes, theoretically they stand to make more money in LA or New York through endorsements, but once again, if this is more than just theoretical, I haven't seen the trend manifest in reality.

Hell, if you wanna just throw out cities that are supposedly "cooler" (and reading between the lines, I think you really just mean blacker) than Dallas, look no further than New Orleans- and AD can't WAIT to leave.

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To go further down this train of thought- I don't think it's COMPLETE bullsh*t. But first lets be clear about what the debate is here. I think what I and a couple of others are quibbling with is the way the sports media downplays the sheer size of the DFW metro area. They write us off as a "small" or "middle" market, when objectively its one of top 5 markets by any metric. So it definitely isn't small or even middle. HOWEVER, if "big market" is simply sports pundit code for "attractive destination for free agents," then there's some truth to the "big stars want to go to big markets" narrative. I just think it's way overblown. I'd say it's about 80% bullshit.

#1- As I've stated, to the extent that it is true, it only applies to New York and LA. The difference between say Chicago/Miami and a DFW or a Houston I think is either negligible or non-existent. Chicago may be the third "biggest" market, but it is a very, very, VERY distant third in terms of being a glamour destination. If DFW is only a "middle" market, then so is Chicago. NY and LA are "big" and "cool" in a way that Chicago definitely is not.

#2- Whatever allure the "big" markets have that "small" markets don't seems to depend very much on the personality of the player. For starters, I think it generally only applies to the superstar elite players who are concerned about their legacies and building a "brand." Mere all-stars don't seem to care much. There might be an exception here or there (Lamar Odom for example.) But mostly players just want to go the team that can A: pay them the most money, and B: where they can win. They might consider the glamour thing a bonus, if all other things are equal. But generally they will not sacrifice money or the chance to win for the sake of a "bigger" market.

Beyond that, it seems to only matter to some superstars and not others. I think, for example, the "glamour" thing mattered to Shaq in a way that it definitely never mattered to Duncan, Dirk, or Kevin Garnett. I think it mattered to Magic in a way that it did not matter to Bird AT ALL- seriously, if Bird could have, he would played his entire career in French Lick, Indiana.

More recently, I think it mattered to Carmelo in a way that it did not matter to... anyone else. Even Lebron I think only very reluctantly left Cleveland both times, and both times I think it had a lot less do with the glamour of LA or Miami and more to do with the fact that more championship opportunities just didn't exist for him in Cleveland. I think in his heart of hearts, he truly wanted to win multiple titles and spend his entire career in Cleveland. True, he could have possibly had better chances in Houston or Philly, but I think that's debatable at best. I think he weighed his options and decided that both Houston and Philly were bad fits roster-wise, and Magic Johnson sold him on the possibility of being able to attract another superstar on not just the allure of LA, but also that in conjunction with Lebron's own presence- as well as the Lakers' winning "culture," something the Knicks, Clippers, and Nets know nothing of.

I also don't get the impression that Durant cares much about glamour either, but I could be wrong- we'll see where he ends up next year.

#3- I think a lot of the "players want to go to New York and LA" narrative is a self-perpetuating media creation. The media says that players want to go to New York or LA because that's where they'll get the most media coverage- that's because the MEDIA ITSELF dictates that. Call it confirmation bias.

#4- It's also a double edged sword when it comes to building a legacy, because as much as a one city might be a bigger, grander stage than another, the sports world REALLY frowns upon stars leaving their "home" teams. Lebron and Durant both became cultural villains the moment they left Cleveland and OKC respectively. History definitely favors staying with one team your whole career more than leaving for greener pastures.

#5 I think some people are conflating two narratives- Dallas isn't a "top" market the way New York & LA are (objectively true) and Dallas is specifically UNATTRACTIVE, and players actively AVOID Dallas (outright ridiculous.) If this is an actual perception of the general public outside of a few posters this forum (and I don't know that it is), I'd imagine its speciously based on a handful high-profile misses the Mavs had in the years following the 2011 championship. All of those had everything to do with the Mavs being a lousy team in rebuilding mode and nothing do with DFW being "small" or "uncool." I can say this fairly definitively because, outside of Deron Williams and Deandre Jordan, none of our high-profile targets ended up in New York or LA, and even with those guys- both of them were with those respective teams to begin with and BOTH of them ended up coming to Dallas later. Moreover, I swear EVER SINGLE YEAR, the Knicks, Clippers, and Nets are always linked in the press to the big name free agents, and EVERY SINGLE YEAR they all strike out. So where I'm standing, Dallas is no less attractive a destination than any of those three teams.

#6- This is sort of an aside, but it seems like this whole "market size" thing seems to only apply to the NBA. For example, the most valuable sports franchise on planet earth by a fairly wide margin is in fact the Dallas Cowboys- not the Yankees, Lakers, Knicks, Giants, Jets, Rams or anyone else. Dallas may not be the biggest media market in America, but it seems to be by a wide margin the biggest football market in the entire world. Conversely, I'd say it's a pretty lousy hockey market, compared to much smaller cities in the northern USA and Canada- clearly the culture of the city regarding the respective sport seems to play a big role in a team's "coolness." Further examples- the Green Bay Packers and Pittsburgh Steelers are also marquee NFL franchises with huge national fanbases despite playing MUCH smaller cities.

Well, to quote Forrest Gump... "that's all I have to say about that." The reason it's so long is because this something I've thought about for YEARS. I've been listening to the "Dallas isn't attractive to FA's" bit my entire life as a Mavs fan, and it has never sat right with me. So this is roughly 17 years worth of ranting coming out all at once. Yes, I know a wrote a g*ddamn novel, and I sincerely thank anyone who actually reads the whole thing.

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You make many good points, spiral.

I'll take the Cowboys first, because that's easy. When they came into the league, there was no other NFL team south of St Louis, so if you lived in Atlanta or PHX or New Orleans, CBS gave you Cowboys every Sunday. Even now when they play in PHX, the crowd is half Cowboys fans. Tex Schramm shrewdly got his team into the Eastern conference, so their rivals were in NY, DC and Philly, at the time all were among the biggest markets. So again, huge TV exposure. That's why they became America's team, and get the highest ratings.

As for free agents, just look what happened since 2011. We wanted Deron...he chose to stay in the NY metro area, even on a bad team. We went after Jordan...he chose LA. Chris Paul? LA.

My opinion is based on my experience working in the media business. While most of the employees in network news are based in NY and DC, Dallas is considered a "hardship" bureau. They have to beg people to come here. Chicago too because its so damned cold. Miami, SF, ATL? There's a waiting list. Everyone would like to go, but no one can because the people there never leave.
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A lot of people always talk about the Mavs not being able to draw big name free agents with Dirk. Well, they never had cap space during Dirk’s prime. Prior to Dirks prime, the Mavs here garbage for a decade. After Dirks prime, there was never a reason to come to Dallas because there was no be to build around.
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The funny thing is... a superstar just forced his way out of NY and will likely be signing a huge long term deal in Dallas.
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The funny thing is... a superstar just forced his way out of NY and will likely be signing a huge long term deal in Dallas.
And NY is doing exactly what failed so many times for Dallas...plan powder. Funny thing is though that it's the 2017 draft that really did it. Choosing Frank over Dennis gave us KP.
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I dont think its a plan powder...the NBA changes since 2010...player talk, agents talk....much more crap and talking in the background who is going to sign where as FA etc
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And NY is doing exactly what failed so many times for Dallas...plan powder. Funny thing is though that it's the 2017 draft that really did it. Choosing Frank over Dennis gave us KP.
Your self-delusion is at comically Trumpian levels.

Choosing Jack Russell over Donavan Mitchell is what brought KP to Dallas.

Mavericks were initially trying to pry Ntilikina away from NY for Jack Russell Jr. straight-up, which the Nix nixed, as they have refused multiple offers for Ntilikina, and have steadfastly indicated their intention to keep him.

It was in the course of those conversations that KP's availability became known, if the Mavericks would take on Hardaway's and Lee's contracts, and throw in some #1 draft picks.

Dallas wanted to jettison their mistake, but Knicks wouldn't give up Ntilikina.

To Whistle's amazement and Mavs' good fortune, Porzingis wanted out of the Nix organization badly enough for them to send him to Dallas.
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Your self-delusion is at comically Trumpian levels.

Choosing Jack Russell over Donavan Mitchell is what brought KP to Dallas.

Mavericks were initially trying to pry Ntilikina away from NY for Jack Russell Jr. straight-up, which the Nix nixed, as they have refused multiple offers for Ntilikina, and have steadfastly indicated their intention to keep him.

It was in the course of those conversations that KP's availability became known, if the Mavericks would take on Hardaway's and Lee's contracts, and throw in some #1 draft picks.

Dallas wanted to jettison their mistake, but Knicks wouldn't give up Ntilikina.

To Whistle's amazement and Mavs' good fortune, Porzingis wanted out of the Nix organization badly enough for them to send him to Dallas.
Care to share sources? All I've read is conversations on Matthews for THJ is what started the dialogue. Nothing about DSJ for Ntilikina, which the Mavs FO would be dumb to do considering the widening gap of success in the league between the two.
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Your self-delusion is at comically Trumpian levels.
Please try to keep it civil -- it's one thing to joke about nailing someone's mom in front of their dad while he pays good money to watch, but calling people "Trumpian" is way over the line. These are your fellow MFFLs, not literal demons.

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Choosing Jack Russell over Donavan Mitchell is what brought KP to Dallas.

Mavericks were initially trying to pry Ntilikina away from NY for Jack Russell Jr. straight-up, which the Nix nixed, as they have refused multiple offers for Ntilikina, and have steadfastly indicated their intention to keep him.

It was in the course of those conversations that KP's availability became known, if the Mavericks would take on Hardaway's and Lee's contracts, and throw in some #1 draft picks.

Dallas wanted to jettison their mistake, but Knicks wouldn't give up Ntilikina.

To Whistle's amazement and Mavs' good fortune, Porzingis wanted out of the Nix organization badly enough for them to send him to Dallas.
According to Marc Stein, it was Wes for Hardaway straight-up that led to the KP talks... I never heard anything from a reputable source about DSJ-for-Frank being discussed. Do you happen to have a link?
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Could have been worse. He could have called him a liberal..

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My opinion is based on my experience working in the media business. While most of the employees in network news are based in NY and DC, Dallas is considered a "hardship" bureau. They have to beg people to come here. Chicago too because its so damned cold. Miami, SF, ATL? There's a waiting list. Everyone would like to go, but no one can because the people there never leave.
I don't doubt at all what you're saying about the media perception of Dallas not being "cool." I've lived here almost my hole life and I don't think there's anything particularly cool about it either. The only remotely "cool' city in Texas is Austin. What I'm saying is- A: contrary to the media narrative, the "cool" factor doesn't seem to translate much into a built-in advantage for teams in those cities regarding free agents, and B: this is precisely part of my point- to the extent that this exists at all, it is self-perpetuating media creation. The media says city X is cooler than cities Y and Z. Why is city X cooler? Because the media says so! Why? Because the media reports on it more! See what I'm getting at here?

On side note- I get Miami and San Francisco but... Atlanta? What the hell is remotely interesting about Atlanta?

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Well just to reiterate, I DO concede that the "free agents want big markets" thing does exist to an extent, but that it ONLY applies to LA and New York, and I think it's mostly overblown. (Again, it MOSTLY only applies to Lakers, far more than the other three teams.)

Those players you mentioned- with the exception of maybe CP3, I don't think they chose those teams because of the bright lights of New York or LA.

As I mentioned, both of those guys were already in those teams before Dallas even pursued them. I think there's a difference between leaving one team to sign with another and re-signing with your current team. The overwhelming majority of big name free agents re-sign with their home teams. But let's go into the specifics with those two players.

Deron specifically said that the crucial factor in his decision was the Nets acquisition of Joe Johnson. Let's also not forget that Dirk was 34 years old by that point, and the Mavs had precisely zero young prospects. Deron judged (incorrectly) that the Nets were the team where he had a better chance of winning.

As for Deandre- do we really even need to go down that rabbit hole? We all remember what an insane clusterf*ck that was. Again, I don't think it had much to do with the bright lights of LA as much as it was- Deandre chickened out. The Mavs initially enticed with him by stroking his ego and telling him that he would be the franchise player and they would build the whole team around him. He was excited about this at first, but then the pressure got to him and he got scared. Then throw in the Clippers' blatant tampering and practically kidnapping Deandre (emoji-gate??), Deandre's family and friends all begging him to stay with the Clippers, not to mention the fact that the Clippers were borderline contenders whereas the Mavs were irrelevant and still relying on a now 37 year old Dirk... Suffice it to say that it was a unique situation.

As for CP3- Again a fairly unique situation. First, it was a trade, not free agency. He ended up with the Clippers only after David Stern vetoed the trade to the Lakers. Maybe he specifically demanded to be traded to Los Angeles because he wanted to play in a big market after spending so much of his career in one of the smallest. I don't know. What I do know is that he is now in much smaller, much less cool Houston, and when he has been a free agent in his career, he has re-signed with his current team every single time- Hornets in 2008, Clippers in 2012 and 2014, and Rockets in 2018. Again going back to my point that free agents almost always re-sign with their current teams, rather than leave for "big markets."
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Old 02-09-2019, 10:09 PM   #101
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I like the cap room this move enabled

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Need a guard that can shoot, handle the ball and is a versatile defender.
Need a big that can rebound, be physical, and ideally spread the floor too.
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A lot of people always talk about the Mavs not being able to draw big name free agents with Dirk. Well, they never had cap space during Dirk’s prime. Prior to Dirks prime, the Mavs here garbage for a decade. After Dirks prime, there was never a reason to come to Dallas because there was no be to build around.
Yes. Cuban's pitch to any FA was that they would build a team around them. OK, but compare that to going someplace where that core was already there...and which would you choose? For someone like DJ, that story almost worked, but for any top FA it made more sense to go somewhere there was already a core you knew and liked.

NOW the Mavs have that. Coming to play with Luka and KP is a LOT more attractive than coming to play with ???

I like Chris Middleton and Julius Randle. If we can get Powell to opt out...maybe both? :-)

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Need a guard that can shoot, handle the ball and is a versatile defender.

So essentially DSJ in 1-2 years IF he gets his head on straight (which won't happen in NY). Still a shame that didn't work out.
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Yes. Cuban's pitch to any FA was that they would build a team around them. OK, but compare that to going someplace where that core was already there...and which would you choose? For someone like DJ, that story almost worked, but for any top FA it made more sense to go somewhere there was already a core you knew and liked.

NOW the Mavs have that. Coming to play with Luka and KP is a LOT more attractive than coming to play with ???

I like Chris Middleton and Julius Randle. If we can get Powell to opt out...maybe both? :-)
Makes some sense but I'm not sure I completely agree.

Top tier FAs may not want to come here because this is clearly Luka's team now for many years. Big name/ego FAs will probably want to be the alpha dog and that simply isn't happening here now. Massive drama will accompany most other top tier players generally speaking if they try to compete with Luka to be the top dog. Not saying it couldn't happen but that potential situation itself could make this an unattractive place for top tier FAs.

I think 2nd tier players might be more suitable to play with Luka and KP because I see those 2 as 1A and 1B. The two toughest pieces to acquire are secured so now the focus should be on getting that long-term #3 guy and completing the roster with role pieces that fit well. I think we have a few of those (Maxi, DFS, THJ, and Brunson) already secured as well.
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Makes some sense but I'm not sure I completely agree.

Top tier FAs may not want to come here because this is clearly Luka's team now for many years. Big name/ego FAs will probably want to be the alpha dog and that simply isn't happening here now. Massive drama will accompany most other top tier players generally speaking if they try to compete with Luka to be the top dog. Not saying it couldn't happen but that potential situation itself could make this an unattractive place for top tier FAs.
I don't see that being much of a problem. A: Luka is a more of a facilitator than ball dominant scorer, and B: as fantastic as Luka's rookie season has been, he is still at this point just a very promising rookie. He is a LONG way from being anywhere near elite status in the NBA. If superstar like Durant or Giannis were to come to Dallas, there is absolutely zero question who would be the top dog.

That being said, I don't necessarily see being an attractive destination for superstar free agents either, but for a different reason. We're still TOTALLY unproven. Luka is clearly a star, but we don't know what his ceiling is. He could be a superstar someday, or he could just be a very nice all-star level guy. We don't know. And I think KP has to prove he can stay healthy for at least a whole season, AND he and Luka have to play great together before they become a bandwagon other stars want to join. There's just too many variables in the equation so far.
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@AlbertNahmad: Mavs had to waive Salah Mejri to create the necessary roster spot to complete the trade of Harrison Barnes for Justin Jackson and Zach Randolph. Three days later, they re-signed him. Mejri pocketed an extra $531K for his trouble.
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@AlbertNahmad: Mavs had to waive Salah Mejri to create the necessary roster spot to complete the trade of Harrison Barnes for Justin Jackson and Zach Randolph. Three days later, they re-signed him. Mejri pocketed an extra $531K for his trouble.
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Reminds me of when an already retired Keith Van Horn got paid $4.3 mil just for passing a physical so the Mavs could make the Jason Kidd trade work.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/20/s...20vanhorn.html

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Nice. Seems like a good dude and his nba days are likely coming to an end. Glad for him.
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We won the trade

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