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We should definitely still be in develop youth mode. Doesn't mean you can't win.
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Old 04-04-2019, 08:03 PM   #642
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KP is one sidekick but who is the other?

I donít see us in win now just yet.
If we get lucky and sign KL, KD, KT or JB then yeah, I totally agree with you but we arenít there yet even with Vuc or Walker. We might make POs next year but we wonít be anywhere near Warriors level if they have every back.
While I agree I think the Warriors lose Cousins and KD this summer. KD has already said heís chasing money this offseason, and GS canít offer it without giving up KT or Draymond I believe. I think KD is gone for sure. He knows his rings donít mean shit.
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KP is one sidekick but who is the other?

I donít see us in win now just yet.
If we get lucky and sign KL, KD, KT or JB then yeah, I totally agree with you but we arenít there yet even with Vuc or Walker. We might make POs next year but we wonít be anywhere near Warriors level if they have every back.
I disagree and understand and respect that view. Vucevic and Kemba are all-stars and I'm not sure you play the waiting game to see if Kawhi, KD, or Klay signs here. Just don't think they do. No thanks to Jimmy Butler, he's not in the same tier as the other 3.
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I disagree and understand and respect that view. Vucevic and Kemba are all-stars and I'm not sure you play the waiting game to see if Kawhi, KD, or Klay signs here. Just don't think they do. No thanks to Jimmy Butler, he's not in the same tier as the other 3.
I agree with all you are saying.

I've been an advocate of signing Vuc (not so much Kemba) all along but if there is an opportunity to acquire someone (Brogdon?) close to his tier level that fits at a younger age the Mavs should go for it first imo. Especially if there is still an upside with that player.

KL, KD and KT are pipe dreams and I'm not a Butler fan at all but I do think he'd be a great fit with Luka and KP....just not with Rick and he is a bit too old.

But realistically we'll probably have to replace that 3rd option player every 3 or 4 years so as I've mentioned before I would not be unhappy at all if Vuc is the best player we sign in the off-season.
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I agree with all you are saying.

I've been an advocate of signing Vuc (not so much Kemba) all along but if there is an opportunity to acquire someone (Brogdon?) close to his tier level that fits at a younger age the Mavs should go for it first imo. Especially if there is still an upside with that player.

KL, KD and KT are pipe dreams and I'm not a Butler fan at all but I do think he'd be a great fit with Luka and KP....just not with Rick and he is a bit too old.

But realistically we'll probably have to replace that 3rd option player every 3 or 4 years so as I've mentioned before I would not be unhappy at all if Vuc is the best player we sign in the off-season.
Brogdon would be really nice, just see the hurdles in prying him away from the Bucks. The whole RFA is a mess sometimes and could affect the ability to sign an UFA like Vucevic or Kemba.

I agree that Vucevic > Kemba when considering this teams needs. Kemba is an awesome player, but doesn't provide defense or rebounding that the Mavs need and the rise of Brunson has mitigated the Mavs need for a PG, especially one that can play with Doncic so well.

I keep falling back to Vucevic and think he'd be best fit for us this FA and even the next. Of course, the 2021 pipedream of Giannis exists, but then you'd be using up two years of KP/Doncic, the latter of which is of course on a rookie deal.

I've been an advocate of Vucevic and Beverley before. However, Brunson kind of negates Beverley IMO or at least drastically reduces that need/role. I'm now curious how they can bring in some solid role defenders at the 2 or 3 to help overall team defense. Maybe even a backup center who can provide some tough D and rebounding in addition to Vucevic, but that could cause some redundancy in our bigs, or a logjam should Powell opt-in.
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I think there's probably a 50/50 chance on Brogdon. Dude wants to make money and Bucks may not offer him a ton. Still, he's the core of the best team in the East. He's going to want to continue on even if they flame out in the first round (which I doubt). Because of the chances he stays, I'm not sure he's a good bet unless the rest are gone. I don't want to wager this whole OS on him just to have him return to Milwaukee.

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I agree that Vucevic > Kemba when considering this teams needs. Kemba is an awesome player, but doesn't provide defense or rebounding that the Mavs need and the rise of Brunson has mitigated the Mavs need for a PG, especially one that can play with Doncic so well.
I like Kemba a lot, but he's aging and I'm not sure he really pushes us to the next level. 6'1" and not a lot of defense. He plays hard and scores relatively well (although needs to improve 3pt shooting). He just takes a lot of looks away from Doncic.

The biggest thing we need to happen is to see Brunson develop. I already love how mature he is and how he can find ways to be effective when not handling the ball. Plus he makes good decisions. If Brunson can get his eFG% up and work on his defensive leadership and positioning, he should be really solid for us-- potentially even as a 30-35mpg starter.

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I keep falling back to Vucevic and think he'd be best fit for us this FA and even the next. Of course, the 2021 pipedream of Giannis exists, but then you'd be using up two years of KP/Doncic, the latter of which is of course on a rookie deal.
Yeah I like Vuj best, even though we already have KP. I like Doncic and Vuj together. I even like KP and Vuj together. Vuj can score, rebound, spread the floor, rebound, and even pass with the best of them. He's almost on par with Nurkic/Jokic in terms of passing and overall game. I could also see us playing a super-tall lineup at the end of games of Doncic/DFS/KP/Vuj. That team would be a beast on the boards and Doncic is capable of turning those rebounds into fast break points effectively.

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I've been an advocate of Vucevic and Beverley before. However, Brunson kind of negates Beverley IMO or at least drastically reduces that need/role. I'm now curious how they can bring in some solid role defenders at the 2 or 3 to help overall team defense. Maybe even a backup center who can provide some tough D and rebounding in addition to Vucevic, but that could cause some redundancy in our bigs, or a logjam should Powell opt-in.
I still like Beverly. Mostly to share the PG position with Brunson. Always good to have a bastard on the roster and Beverly certainly is one like Stevenson was. Also I think he could be had for 4-9mill. His three point shooting and defense would be really strong for us.
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Back to Dragic.

He is obvious opting in but in that case i could see a trade Dragic for Lee. The Heat are sitting on a 140m payroll next season with a bunch of horrible contracts. And looks like they are going to miss the playoffs. In the east.

So with trading Dragics 19m for Lees 13m, they could reduce their payroll with the target to move below the luxury tax line.
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Hi,

The regular season is over. Now playoffs and then, draft lottery. I would like to know your opinion about this hipotetic case:

Imagine that Dallas would win the nļ1 of the draft. Obviusly, Zion is the target. But, now, imagine that your are Cuban and the Pelicans would phone you:
-Eih Mark, we're interested on Zion. We propose a trade: Anthony Davids FOR Zion + Hardaway + pick 1 2025

Do you agree?
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In general a No.

a Maybe with Davis signing the extension together with the trade call.

In general i prefer to keep Klutch Sports and with that any Klutch player away from the Mavs

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a Maybe with Davis signing the extension together with the trade call.

In general i prefer to keep Klutch Sports and with that any Klutch player away from the Mavs
There's not a single person at Klutch that I'd take. I think they attract primadonnas.
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Yeah....and Mr. Glas Anthony Davis also didnt show six years into his career that he is able to make his teammates better and lift the entire franchise.

He has his stats and thats it.
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https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2019...d-this-season/

If Vucevic puts on a good performance in the playoffs there will be a lot of competition for his services tbh
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If the Mavs are looking to add a veteran PG who can play defense and play off the ball on offense (and is cheap) why not Derrick Rose? Heís coming off a really good year where he made $2.3 mil. Heíll obviously be looking for a raise but $10 mil year seems reasonable (or am I wrong?).

They would then still have enough cap space to sign Julius Randle ($15-$17) who is really the type of big they need playing next to KP.

Again, keep in mind that this rebuild is a process. Itís going to take a couple of years and those two guys on contracts like that would allow the team to still make moves (both contract would be very tradable).


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Lee would probably get stretched to free up cap space if Dragic wants to come he probably needs to op out and sign a new contract. I still have high hopes for Brogdon the FA I want the most because he's a perfect fit will Luka and while i think Vooch is great Centers are getting devalued each year more and more.
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I agree but Dallas has an advantage having Luka and KP here and I also think Bill Duffy ( Luka's Agent ) is his agent too.
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Lee would probably get stretched to free up cap space if Dragic wants to come he probably needs to op out and sign a new contract. I still have high hopes for Brogdon the FA I want the most because he's a perfect fit will Luka and while i think Vooch is great Centers are getting devalued each year more and more.
I agree, which is why Vucevic is a solid fit. It often gets forgotten that he hits 36.4% on 2.9 threes a game. He can stretch the floor and is a modern center in the definition.

I think the bigger issue is he's only getting richer...
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a Maybe with Davis signing the extension together with the trade call.

In general i prefer to keep Klutch Sports and with that any Klutch player away from the Mavs

I undestand your point of view about AD. He is made of glass, but he is a great fit for Luka (P&R and P&P) and Porz (def + reb).


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I agree, which is why Vucevic is a solid fit. It often gets forgotten that he hits 36.4% on 2.9 threes a game. He can stretch the floor and is a modern center in the definition.

I think the bigger issue is he's only getting richer...
Vucevic is sugar on attack...but with him + unicorn + luka on defense = "the Texas Chain Saw Massacre".

Anyway...I'm Spanish and Real Madrid fan. We always play to see who is the moron who score more. So, I love Vucevic's fit.

By the way. What do you think about Reggie Bullock? He is FA and cheap. He is a good defender. He is a three shot guy. He doens't need ball. However, he is pretty limited...out of catch and shoot he is nothing.

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I dont really want Vuc. Hell be too expensive for a guy whose skills somewhat overlap with KP. Rather spread it around to a rebounder and then a decent outside shooter.
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I agree, which is why Vucevic is a solid fit. It often gets forgotten that he hits 36.4% on 2.9 threes a game. He can stretch the floor and is a modern center in the definition.

I think the bigger issue is he's only getting richer...
I love his outside shooting but it's been a loong time since we have had a Center that you can toss it to and spread out while he goes to work. He is an ambidextrous finisher at the rim and it's incredibly hard to defend him. If the Mavs stay true to Cubans previous comment about going after the best player(s) available and let Carlisle sort it out, then he will be pretty high up on the list.
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If the Mavs are looking to add a veteran PG who can play defense and play off the ball on offense (and is cheap) why not Derrick Rose? Heís coming off a really good year where he made $2.3 mil. Heíll obviously be looking for a raise but $10 mil year seems reasonable (or am I wrong?).

They would then still have enough cap space to sign Julius Randle ($15-$17) who is really the type of big they need playing next to KP.

Again, keep in mind that this rebuild is a process. Itís going to take a couple of years and those two guys on contracts like that would allow the team to still make moves (both contract would be very tradable).


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I love his outside shooting but it's been a loong time since we have had a Center that you can toss it to and spread out while he goes to work. He is an ambidextrous finisher at the rim and it's incredibly hard to defend him. If the Mavs stay true to Cubans previous comment about going after the best player(s) available and let Carlisle sort it out, then he will be pretty high up on the list.
I hope this is the case. BPA that wants to be here. We need talent.
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I hope this is the case. BPA that wants to be here. We need talent.
Yea we need talent that wants to be here and not only because we will over pay them.. we have done that bit before but now we have 2 guys that should be attractive as hell.
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I undestand your point of view about AD. He is made of glass, but he is a great fit for Luka (P&R and P&P) and Porz (def + reb).
Look at his petty ass shit he pulled tonight after trying to break his contract he signed...prefer to lose than to win with such an ass::

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I think it's finally hitting home that this may be Dirk's last home game. Man, I am so going to miss the Big German if this is his last season. I'm pretty sure my wife is going to shed a tear or two it that's the case. She better not make me cry! :-O
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A grown man should be embarrassed from that kind of behavior. Just another exclamation point on the overall greatness of Dirk, not only as a player, but as a human being, in comparison.

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I think it's finally hitting home that this may be Dirk's last home game. Man, I am so going to miss the Big German if this is his last season. I'm pretty sure my wife is going to shed a tear or two it that's the case. She better not make me cry! :-O
Suuuure... your wife will be the one with the Dirk tears.
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I undestand your point of view about AD. He is made of glass, but he is a great fit for Luka (P&R and P&P) and Porz (def + reb).




Vucevic is sugar on attack...but with him + unicorn + luka on defense = "the Texas Chain Saw Massacre".

Anyway...I'm Spanish and Real Madrid fan. We always play to see who is the moron who score more. So, I love Vucevic's fit.

By the way. What do you think about Reggie Bullock? He is FA and cheap. He is a good defender. He is a three shot guy. He doens't need ball. However, he is pretty limited...out of catch and shoot he is nothing.
I like the Reggie Bullock idea. Think he'd fit in great.
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I dont really want Vuc. Hell be too expensive for a guy whose skills somewhat overlap with KP. Rather spread it around to a rebounder and then a decent outside shooter.
Vucevic is a rebounder though, who can also shot it outside. Get him and then a defensive guard/wing, you fill some needs.
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Vucevic is a rebounder though, who can also shot it outside. Get him and then a defensive guard/wing, you fill some needs.
I agree with that but the price tag of 20 million Im not on board with. Theres other rebounding options for less. I dont think you can get a defensive guard/wing and Vuc. I want some type of quick athleticism out there.
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What about Hassan Whiteside?...I heard he might opt-out his contract because he wanted more playing time, Hassan Whiteside and KP in the paint would be something special.
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What about Hassan Whiteside?...I heard he might opt-out his contract because he wanted more playing time, Hassan Whiteside and KP in the paint would be something special.
Would be Nerlens Part II. Stat chaser, goes for impossible blocks and gets out of position defensively. Flakey personality, effort waxes and wanes. Wants a larger offensive role than is probably warranted. If teams go small he has trouble defending the p'n'r.
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What about Hassan Whiteside?...I heard he might opt-out his contract because he wanted more playing time, Hassan Whiteside and KP in the paint would be something special.
I guess it would depend on how much he wants and for how long the contract too
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Would be Nerlens Part II. Stat chaser, goes for impossible blocks and gets out of position defensively. Flakey personality, effort waxes and wanes. Wants a larger offensive role than is probably warranted. If teams go small he has trouble defending the p'n'r.
fantastic analysis of Whiteside and I totally agree.
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Whiteside started to mail it in after his first fat contract. Im pretty sure he would start to mail it in again after his 2nd big contract.

The guy is also almost a year older than Vucevic. 30 next month.

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I dont really want Vuc. Hell be too expensive for a guy whose skills somewhat overlap with KP. Rather spread it around to a rebounder and then a decent outside shooter.
People are too focused around starting-5 fit with Luka and KP. The league changed, ten years ago there were 20 guys playing around 40-42 minutes. Now everyone is doing load management etc and you have even stars down to 32min a game. Luka and KP are going to be such guys too (KP more than Luka).

Thats why its okay if the starting-5 fit is maybe not that perfect, but you can create a great rotation with three go to guys (= two are always on the court together).

Just Luka and KP and you have long stretches where one of them is alone on the court and you have to push roleplayers in bigger offensive roles than they are capable of playing and thats where a team starts to suck (we saw it the past years).

With Vuc or Kemba you create MUCH stronger rotations and guys like THJ, Kleber, Brunson etc can stay in their defined effective roleplayer situations.

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Seth Curry might be a guy to bring back. Another season of hitting 45% of his 3's
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Great, the tears are back....but the angry ones.

i hope they dont do something stupid like 12-14m over four years. Guess its 3/30 or something like that. Would prefer to throw that money at beverley. Also means the rumors that they arent high on Vuc are true and they wanna play KP/Powell/Kleber next season.

THJ 20
KP 17 (caphold)
Luka 8
Lee 13
Jackson 3.5
Brunson 1.5
Kleber 2 (caphold)
Powell around 10m

Would mean around 30m in cap. 7-10m less if we hit the lottery.Guess they are thinking they can always dump Lee with a FRP if Kawhi or Durant are calling....
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Great, the tears are back....but the angry ones.

i hope they dont do something stupid like 12-14m over four years. Guess its 3/30 or something like that. Would prefer to throw that money at beverley. Also means the rumors that they arent high on Vuc are true and they wanna play KP/Powell/Kleber next season.

THJ 20
KP 17 (caphold)
Luka 8
Lee 13
Jackson 3.5
Brunson 1.5
Kleber 2 (caphold)
Powell around 10m

Would mean around 30m in cap. 7-10m less if we hit the lottery.Guess they are thinking they can always dump Lee with a FRP if Kawhi or Durant are calling....
Well an extension implies that Powell just picks up his player option for next season and then we just add on 3 more years after that, hopefully at a similar number (maybe $10-12 million). So this shouldn't affect cap space this summer as his $10.2 million option is already accounted for in this summer's cap space.
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