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1 - Suns - Ayton - they are in love with him and have all but committed
2 - Kings - Doncic - Divacs loves the white kids, particularly from Europe. No way they pass on him.
3- Atlanta - Bagley (60%) or Young (40%) - Atl needs offense. They'll either draft Bagley or Young. They are reportedly shopping Schroder so they may opt to draft Young, which would make Bagley available for us at the 5.
4 - Memphis - Jackson - they would have opted out of the defensively limited Bagley to pursue a guy with a high motor and high defensive potential anyway, so they get their man in Jackson

Mavs choose from
Porter - has a Kevin Durant/Paul George upside, but some concerns (some of which can be addressed in workouts)

Bamba - defensive potential is off the charts. His offense is going to be a challenge, but should get at least PnP and oop opportunities from Smith

Bridges - All around best player. May never average 20ppg, but will bring fire, defense, energy, leadership, and a surprisingly versatile offensive presence. He can do what Matthews was supposed to. He can play SG or SF at the next level while defending three positions (PG-SF). He's ready to contribute now.

Bagley - KG without the defense. Physical specimen with versatile offense. Just like Smith Jr., he has the body to play defense. Just doesn't have any idea how to play it, but may be able to learn. Only available if Hawks draft Young and Grizz go Jackson.

Mavs have some fascinating players to choose from.
Bump, although I think the odds of Kings also passing on Doncic are higher. ATL obviously much more likely to get Young than my previous conjecture.

My new prediction:
1 - Suns - Ayton - they are in love with him and have all but committed
2 - Kings - Bagley - They need offense and have fallen in love with Bagley. He could be good next to Fox and Bogdonovic
3- Atlanta - Young - They are reportedly shopping Schroder so they may opt to draft Young
4 - Memphis - Jackson - they would have opted out of the defensively limited Bagley to pursue a guy with a high motor and high defensive potential anyway, so they get their man in Jackson

Mavs choose from
Porter - has a Kevin Durant/Paul George upside, but some concerns (some of which can be addressed in workouts)
Bamba - defensive potential is off the charts. His offense is going to be a challenge, but should get at least PnP and oop opportunities from Smith
Bridges - All around best player. May never average 20ppg, but will bring fire, defense, energy, leadership, and a surprisingly versatile offensive presence. He can do what Matthews was supposed to. He can play SG or SF at the next level while defending three positions (PG-SF). He's ready to contribute now.
Doncic - White LeBron? Passable Turkoglu impersonator? Looking like he will be available at the 5 spot
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Man it'd be tough to pass on Doncic if he slips to 5. Even if Porter and Bamba and M. Bridges are still there

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Remember though that everything before the draft is smoke and mirrors. I don't believe for a second that the Hawks are "definitely" going to draft Young.

And if Doncic slips to 5, I still take Bamba provided Bagley isn't there.
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Im too lazy to do a Covington picture for Mikal Bridges

We are not picking Covington at #5

And yeah, the Hawks are stupid, but not Trae at 3 stupid...

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Remember though that everything before the draft is smoke and mirrors. I don't believe for a second that the Hawks are "definitely" going to draft Young.

And if Doncic slips to 5, I still take Bamba provided Bagley isn't there.
Knicks want him. I wouldn't be surprised if they didnt use the threat of drafting Young at 3 to get the Knicks to sweeten a deal.

Then again, Hawks are really unhappy with Schroder as their starting point.
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We are not picking Covington at #5

And yeah, the Hawks are stupid, but not Trae at 3 stupid...
Idk.. Trae is a baller. I can imagine great success with good players around him. Unfortunately he wont yet have that to start with.
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Knicks want him. I wouldn't be surprised if they didnt use the threat of drafting Young at 3 to get the Knicks to sweeten a deal.

Then again, Hawks are really unhappy with Schroder as their starting point.


Then they could send #19 for Kemba Walker and still pick Bagley etc
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@NBADraftGod: BREAKING: Barring the possibility of another team trading into the top 2 & swooping him up, the Atlanta Hawks are primed to select Oklahomaís Trae Young with the 3rd pick in the 2018 NBA Draft, sources tell Rufus N. Dooze of @NBADraftGod.
That name sounds so made up. I think itís the N. that triggers the alarm bells. Like Roscoe P. Coltrane.
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It sounds more like Doncic is trying to leverage a trade should Sacramento draft him, don't think he wants to watch his career bust in that crap franchise.
Sad thing is.....if he's as good as advertised? Sac has a nice little squad. There some ways away but they have some very good young players.

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If he finds his way to the Cavs.......he may...well that's if Lebron comes back.
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If true, then this is the best-case scenario, effectively giving us the #4 pick for all intents and purposes... I don't really see the Hawks trading down to get Trae, since Orlando has their sights on him at #6... And there's really no reason for Dallas to trade up since either Bagley, Porter, or Doncic would be slipping to #5 in this case.

I actually saw a FOX Sports mock yesterday that had MPJ going #2 overall, and I still think Bagley makes the most sense in Memphis... So lemme talk myself into this scenario for a sec:

1. Phoenix: DeAndre Ayton
2. Sacramento: Michael Porter Jr
3. Atlanta: Trae Young
4. Memphis: Marvin Bagley
5. Dallas: Luka Doncic

I'm obviously not as high on Luka as most, and still think he has some clear limitations, but I could definitely live with us picking him if we're not giving up assets to trade up for him. Really, just knowing that a possible #1 scorer like Bagley, Porter, or Doncic could slip to #5 gives me more hope for this draft (my worst-case scenario has those 3 and Ayton off the board before we pick)... I've kinda soured on Bagley a bit after EL pointed out that the centers left in the playoffs are 6'10" Hortford, 6'9" Tristan Thompson, 6'10" Capela, and 6'7" Green -- just not sure if a 7'0" giant with limited effective range can make a dent in today's NBA... I still think JJJ's stretch-5 game has a lot of potential, but the Mavs need a #1 scorer more than anything else right now, and the Hawks may be serving one to us on a silver platter... Not sure if I could pass up Luka at #5.

Not saying he'll slip to us, but Atlanta taking Trae certainly makes it a stronger possibility... I could also talk myself into Bagley for the same reasons.
I don't think its about their height though. Draymon and Capela are ballers. Hortford is too. Those are 3 all stars. It just so happens that the best big men in the league don't play on the Warriors, Celtics, Cavs or Rockets. Though I find it hard to believe Capella is just 6'10. His wingspan is crazy or looks like it on Tv.
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I think I'm done analyzing and trying to predict this draft... For one, it's so almost impossible to predict what the 4 teams before us will do... But also, I can talk myself in circles about Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, JJJ, MPJ, Bamba, and Bridges all day, but the truth is that I'll be happy with any of them... It's mostly going to come down to what Carlisle feels they should add to a DSJ/HB core versus what Donnie thinks we can get in free agency, trades, next year's draft, etc... Basically, I trust that the MBT has more information than I do and will act accordingly.

Just typing that last paragraph gave me tired-head.
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I think I'm done analyzing and trying to predict this draft... For one, it's so almost impossible to predict what the 4 teams before us will do... But also, I can talk myself in circles about Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, JJJ, MPJ, Bamba, and Bridges all day, but the truth is that I'll be happy with any of them... It's mostly going to come down to what Carlisle feels they should add to a DSJ/HB core versus what Donnie thinks we can get in free agency, trades, next year's draft, etc... Basically, I trust that the MBT has more information than I do and will act accordingly.

Just typing that last paragraph gave me tired-head.
Oh please, you'll be right back here tomorrow with another draft rumor.

This is literally the only thing we have to look forward to for the next 27 days.

I will say that the real discussion is whether or not we should let what is happening in the playoffs dictate who we pick.

Mike Fisher (I know right?) made a good point on twitter that we traded for Raef Lafrentz to pull Shaq away from the basket only for the two to never see each other in the playoffs.

I think that's a good lesson that you shouldn't be afraid of someone like Bamba just because defensive centers aren't as much of a thing. You pick the best player no matter what.
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Remember when Steve Kerr traded Marion for Shaq? Lol. People act like that dude is smart.
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Oh please, you'll be right back here tomorrow with another draft rumor.

This is literally the only thing we have to look forward to for the next 27 days.
See, that's the thing -- I was originally going to post a bunch of rumors that I'd heard over the past week, but while typing I started to think about how much of it was probably just smoke... Then I decided that all this smoke was giving me a headache, so I spit out that last post and played a video game instead.

I think we've covered pretty much every angle of the 7 players that could be there at #5... Right now it feels like we're spinning our wheels until something actually happens.

I guess what I'm saying is that 27 days feels like an eternity. I need a nap.
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See, that's the thing -- I was originally going to post a bunch of rumors that I'd heard over the past week, but while typing I started to think about how much of it was probably just smoke... Then I decided that all this smoke was giving me a headache, so I spit out that last post and played a video game instead.

I think we've covered pretty much every angle of the 7 players that could be there at #5... Right now it feels like we're spinning our wheels until something actually happens.

I guess what I'm saying is that 27 days feels like an eternity. I need a nap.
I hear you. There is this small part of me that is holding out hope that Donnie will make a big move this draft. Package a future first, move Barnes, etc. To get multiple picks. Can you imagine adding JJJ and Doncic? I mean I get that every prospect carries risk but I can not think of a better core to build around.

In the end, we most likely hold tight while other teams out manuever us. Sorry, just not a believer in our creative strategies. Or we will go "all in" for another nightmare scenario made by our organization.
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Memphis going all-in on Gasol/Conley, open to trading their pick to win now... I wonder if they'd go for a trade along these lines (with possible moving parts):

Dallas gets Chandler Parsons, #4 pick.
Memphis gets Harrison Barnes, 2019 1st round pick.

Parsons and Barnes have the exact same contract, we would give up next year's pick to add #4 to our #5 pick in this year's draft... Would you do it?
Now BlazersEdge is suggesting something similar:

Dallas gets Chandler Parsons, Evan Turner, #4 pick.
Portland gets Wesley Matthews.
Memphis gets Harrison Barnes, Dallas’ 2019 first-round pick (top-10 protected in 2019, top-five protected in 2020), Portland’s No. 24 pick in 2018.

https://www.blazersedge.com/2018/5/2...raft-grizzlies

Would you do it? It's pretty much the same deal I proposed, except we trade 1 year of Wes for 2 years of Turner... But you still have the #4/5 picks in this draft and it sweetens the deal a bit more for Memphis to pull the trigger (Portland would be all over this, since it frees up 2019 cap space and brings back a 3&D fan favorite).
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Saw this in an article about Doncic
https://94feetreport.com/luka-doncic...y-9ef7ba9c4368

“Because I’m a typical American that knew very little about international basketball, I did some research a while back to help contextualize his playing environment. I found that Euroleague currently consists of 16 teams with:

21 former 1st round picks
46 former 2nd round picks
167 undrafted players
46 players eligible for future drafts

All-in-all, about 25% of the league either has been drafted by an NBA team or will be in the future. Compare that to the NCAA where less than 3% of all players are on the NBA draft radar. Even if you just consider major conference teams, only around 10% of players are NBA prospects. The average center on an NCAA team is 6’9”. The average Euroleague roster has 3 players 6’10” or taller (and most have a 7-footer). “
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Now BlazersEdge is suggesting something similar:

Dallas gets Chandler Parsons, Evan Turner, #4 pick.
Portland gets Wesley Matthews.
Memphis gets Harrison Barnes, Dallasí 2019 first-round pick (top-10 protected in 2019, top-five protected in 2020), Portlandís No. 24 pick in 2018.

https://www.blazersedge.com/2018/5/2...raft-grizzlies

Would you do it? It's pretty much the same deal I proposed, except we trade 1 year of Wes for 2 years of Turner... But you still have the #4/5 picks in this draft and it sweetens the deal a bit more for Memphis to pull the trigger (Portland would be all over this, since it frees up 2019 cap space and brings back a 3&D fan favorite).
Yes, please
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All-in-all, about 25% of the league either has been drafted by an NBA team or will be in the future. Compare that to the NCAA where less than 3% of all players are on the NBA draft radar.
Those percentages are ridiculously misleading...

16 EuroLeague teams comprised of 16 players each = 256 total players

337 Division I teams comprised of 15 players each = 5,055 total players


So if 25% of EuroLeague players are former/future NBA draftees that's 64 players (which doesn't line up with his numbers, but whatever), whereas if 3% of the NCAA players are on the "draft radar" that's 152 total... And the churn is a lot higher in the NCAA with so many one-and-done guys getting drafted each year, versus EuroLeague where the same "former NBA draftee" can stick around for years, and thus be counted toward the same percentage over and over.
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Those percentages are ridiculously misleading...

16 EuroLeague teams comprised of 16 players each = 256 total players

352 NCAA teams comprised of 15 players each = 5,280 total players


So if 25% of EuroLeague players are former/future NBA draftees that's 64 players (which doesn't line up with his numbers, but whatever), whereas if 3% of the NCAA players are on the "draft radar" that's 158 total... And the churn is a lot higher in the NCAA with so many one-and-done guys getting drafted each year, versus EuroLeague where the same "former NBA draftee" can stick around for years (and thus be counted toward the same percentage over and over).
It’s actually 26% if you just count the formers using the 256 number. He says “about” 25%. I don’t know why you think the total is important. It’s not like college players are playing against all 158 of those on the radar players. They are playing against a diluted talent pool just like Doncic.
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It’s actually 26% if you just count the formers using the 256 number. He says “about” 25%. I don’t know why you think the total is important. It’s not like college players are playing against all 158 of those on the radar players. They are playing against a diluted talent pool just like Doncic.
Doncic is playing the same 15 teams over & over -- the talent in Europe is concentrated as hell... And he's beating guys who couldn't stick or get into the NBA 5-10 years ago and still can't. Is winning against Nick Calathes, Rudy Fernandez, and Roddy Beaubois supposed to impress me? These Euros washed out in the first place because their game doesn't translate to the NBA as well as NCAA... How many prospective NBA draftees is Doncic beating each night? I bet none of those teams are as stacked with future NBA players as Duke, Villanova, Michigan State, Arizona, Kentucky, etc... The top-end talent in the NCAA is heads & shoulders above EuroLeague.

And that's my problem with Doncic -- once you look past the narrative that he's "dominating the second-best league in the world" the tape isn't as impressive as the hype... Sure, the highlights are pretty, but the kid's game isn't as complete as a lot of other players at the top of the draft. Doncic takes a lot of plays off, especially when the ball isn't in his hands. He certainly doesn't display the same energy as Bagley or Jackson, nor is he as physically gifted as Ayton, Bamba, Young, or a healthy Porter, nor is his IQ as high as Bridges... He's an excellent player, but putting him on a pedestal because of what he's done in Europe seems misguided.
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