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Old 11-23-2020, 04:38 PM   #2001
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Question: Has anyone heard if the contracts for Ty Terry and Tyler Bey are going to be 4 years, where the mavs have to chip in part of their MLE $ to make that work?
I'm pretty sure the plan is to give Terry a part of the MLE for a 4 year deal

I don't know about Bey
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I like Covington I wouldn't have been opposed to that deal but it worked out best for both teams. Rockets ended up getting 2 1st rounders for him.
Seth and 31, sure. Not worth the 18th pick.

Interesting that the Mavs were actively shopping Curry. Wonder if the mysterious injury woes had mostly to do with it...
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Celtics are kinda screwed. They have 4 good players and a bunch of JAGs
Everyone thought the Celtics were in perfect position a few years ago when they had all those first round picks. Seems like Ainge kept holding out for a bigger better deal and the window passed. They had some many assets at one time.
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I can't believe the Celtics mishap with the Hayward situation isn't getting more media coverage honestly.

https://twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/s...19724919156738

I mean I've sat on it a few days and I still can't believe Ainge didn't leap at the chance to swap Hayward for Turner. I would have been falling out of my chair to do that and instead he wanted more?!?!? I swear... He is massively overrated as a GM.
The mishap would've been them doing that. Let Hayward go for nothing especially if he wants that type of contract.....I like Turner but I don't know if I like him at his salary.
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Everyone thought the Celtics were in perfect position a few years ago when they had all those first round picks. Seems like Ainge kept holding out for a bigger better deal and the window passed. They had some many assets at one time.
He did screw up but they hit on Jaylen Brown, Tatum and Smart. They have a great foundation. Much easier to build with that core. Hitting on Tatum has bought them some time.
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Seth and 31, sure. Not worth the 18th pick.

Interesting that the Mavs were actively shopping Curry. Wonder if the mysterious injury woes had mostly to do with it...
Im going with injuries NOT mostly to do with the trade. It's fairly obvious that Curry is just a specialist, a One trick pony. They need 2 way players. The injuries were likely part of it too, but even healthy he is a liability in our rotation except for when you feed him open 3 looks.
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Seth and 31, sure. Not worth the 18th pick.

Interesting that the Mavs were actively shopping Curry. Wonder if the mysterious injury woes had mostly to do with it...
Oh its worth it as of now. I think we have a tendency to create value with draft picks but we don't know what that #18th pick will become. Now if he becomes even a solid rotational 3 and D guy then I'd say it was worth not doing it.

Covington is a better player than Richardson but I don't think he's that much better to trade all of that for him. I'd rather trade less and get Richardson no doubt.

I think with Curry he's basically their only trade asset. If you say KP and Luka aren't being traded then what else do you have to trade?

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Im going with injuries NOT mostly to do with the trade. It's fairly obvious that Curry is just a specialist, a One trick pony. They need 2 way players. The injuries were likely part of it too, but even healthy he is a liability in our rotation except for when you feed him open 3 looks.
Naw I can't say he's a liability. He was never that bad. I just think what it comes down to is the perfect situation. Rockets needed a shooter and Sixers needed one for sure. Desperate teams trying to salvage this playoff run they are currently on.
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Everyone thought the Celtics were in perfect position a few years ago when they had all those first round picks. Seems like Ainge kept holding out for a bigger better deal and the window passed. They had some many assets at one time.
To be fair, it wasn't all his fault. They did make the two big swings. Kyrie and Hayward. On paper, that team looks like a perennial title contender. The problem is, Hayward suffered a career altering injury in his first five minutes, and has been on and off injured ever since, and Kyrie turned out be a complete malcontent. It's easy to forget now, but there was a time when Kyrie wasn't known to be a locker room cancer. When he forced his way out of Cleveland, we all thought it was just to get away from Lebron.

The real mistake Ainge has made is the uneven distribution of their salary. They have a million guys on their roster making $2-5 million, which makes it very difficult to pull off trades. You can't match the salaries. Marcus Smart is the only guy that makes the appropriate $12 million. That might be why they couldn't manage a S&T with Hayward.

So yeah, they're in a significantly weaker spot than they were a couple of years ago. Still though, they've got a 22 year old budding superstar in Tatum surrounded by a talented young core, and cap space going forward. That's still a pretty good place to be in.

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I think WCS is going to be a very underrated re-signing.

Sometimes change of scenery or system can bring out the best of players. IMO if he gets to play more minutes with Luka as roll man he's going to kill it this year.

Some good information on him that i read.

Cauley-Stein is a starting-caliber big man. Before coming to Dallas, he had started 118 of his 122 games over the previous two seasons. Trill stands out as a rim protector and roll man. He produced an outstanding 1.23 points per possession as a roll man last season combined between Golden State and the Mavericks. WCS finished third in FiveThirtyEightís defensive RAPTOR too.
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Oh its worth it as of now. I think we have a tendency to create value with draft picks but we don't know what that #18th pick will become. Now if he becomes even a solid rotational 3 and D guy then I'd say it was worth not doing it.

Covington is a better player than Richardson but I don't think he's that much better to trade all of that for him. I'd rather trade less and get Richardson no doubt.

I think with Curry he's basically their only trade asset. If you say KP and Luka aren't being traded then what else do you have to trade?
Oh I think DFS and Kleber have at least decent value, but the Mavs seem to be in love with them.
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I'd rather have Richardson over Covington straight up let alone after looking at that horrid trade request by Houston.
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I'd rather have Richardson over Covington straight up let alone after looking at that horrid trade request by Houston.
I'd rather have Covington but its close

And Donnie got PHILLY to kick in the 2nd rounder to make the trade happen

Covington vs Richardson/Green/Terry/Bey isn't close at all
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I'd rather have Richardson over Covington straight up let alone after looking at that horrid trade request by Houston.
Yea. Richsrdson offers more of everything aside from rebounds and we don't necessarily need him to be a rebound machine. We are a good rebounding team already.
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Covington vs Richardson/Green/Terry/Bey isn't close at all

Not even close.

And FWIW, I might take Richardson over Covington straight up, because Richardson is a better secondary playmaker.
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Oh I think DFS and Kleber have at least decent value, but the Mavs seem to be in love with them.
Sorry heís DFS has some value but to me itís like that of a Jae Crowder.
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Not even close.

And FWIW, I might take Richardson over Covington straight up, because Richardson is a better secondary playmaker.
I also like his quickness and lateral movement. Covington's bigger but we do have some bigger bodies who can defend like DFS, Kleber, and then now Johnson. So I do prefer Richardson and yeah he can do some secondary playmaking that Roco can't.
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Make no mistake though Covington is longer than Richardson and can guard 1-4....Rockets even had him guarding some 5’s. Richardson can do more things with the basketball but he won’t be asked to do that here. Similar tier players but Richardson isn’t the defender or 3 point shooter Covington is. But based on compensation id much rather trade for Richardson and keep our picks and hope they can at least develop into solid role players.
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Make no mistake though Covington is longer than Richardson and can guard 1-4....Rockets even had him guarding some 5ís. Richardson can do more things with the basketball but he wonít be asked to do that here. Similar tier players but Richardson isnít the defender or 3 point shooter Covington is. But based on compensation id much rather trade for Richardson and keep our picks and hope they can at least develop into solid role players.
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How close to a max slot would we have if Richardson opts IN for next year?
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Not even close.

And FWIW, I might take Richardson over Covington straight up, because Richardson is a better secondary playmaker.
Yep. Covington has no game at all outside of hitting threes and defense. And his man defense isn't that great. His help defense is where his value lies.
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Isn’t Johnson the better analogue?

Richardson is more of a combo guard.
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Isnít Johnson the better analogue?

Richardson is more of a combo guard.
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What? Would shock me that any team would take Crowder over DFS at this point in their careers.
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If J Rich opts in next summer, they'd be about $11M short of having room for a max contract for Giannis.

There would be various ways to clear room from that position IF needed (one being that you trade J Rich with nothing coming back in return, which erases impact of opt in).
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So if Richardson opts in to get his payday a year later, we could get a max contract in addition - if we find someone to take Powell off of our hands for no money

So we could, in theory, have Richardson be our 4th best player

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What? Would shock me that any team would take Crowder over DFS at this point in their careers.
DFS makes $4m a year for 2 more years

Yeah, there are a lot of teams who would prefer him

Of course my answer would be BOTH!
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Jesus. I wish Giannis would just sign the extension already so I don't have to read about him being a Mav anymore and everyone can move fwd with reality.
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Jesus. I wish Giannis would just sign the extension already so I don't have to read about him being a Mav anymore and everyone can move fwd with reality.
First he needs to sign with Dallas before we can sign him to an extension, buddy.
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Jesus. I wish Giannis would just sign the extension already so I don't have to read about him being a Mav anymore and everyone can move fwd with reality.
Na man, way better to watch him go to the Lakers next FA and cry about superstars never sign here.
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Roster to start the season:

Doncic - Brunson - Burke - JJB - Terry
THJ - Green
JRich - Iwundu - Hinton
DFS - Kleber - Johnson - Bey
WCS - Powell - Boban

Injured: Porzingis


My best guess at active 12 is the top 2 at each position + Burke and Johnson. I think when KP comes back he will take Johnson’s spot. I think JJB gets cut after training camp and returns as a coach if he can’t find another gig. Truly a much better all around team, our biggest question is going to be outside shooting. If we can ship out Brunson for a late first round pick, we should seriously consider it.
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If we can ship out Brunson for a late first round pick, we should seriously consider it.
I wouldn't trade Brunson. Luka misses a few games every year due to his style of play so depth there is important

Terry won't be ready for important minutes next season and I wouldn't want to have to depend on just Burke or JJB
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I wouldn't trade Brunson. Luka misses a few games every year due to his style of play so depth there is important

Terry won't be ready for important minutes next season and I wouldn't want to have to depend on just Burke or JJB
This.

We were also 34-22 (.607) prior to Brunson's injury and our bench was putting up an absurd 44points per game (far and away the best bench in the league)

After Brunson went out, we went 9-10 (.473) and our bench production plummeted to a pedestrian 36 points per game (good for only 12th in the league)

Terry hasn't shown anything yet. He's got a high upside, but he hasn't played since March and is only 20.

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I think WCS is going to be a very underrated re-signing.

Sometimes change of scenery or system can bring out the best of players. IMO if he gets to play more minutes with Luka as roll man he's going to kill it this year.

Some good information on him that i read.

Cauley-Stein is a starting-caliber big man. Before coming to Dallas, he had started 118 of his 122 games over the previous two seasons. Trill stands out as a rim protector and roll man. He produced an outstanding 1.23 points per possession as a roll man last season combined between Golden State and the Mavericks. WCS finished third in FiveThirtyEight’s defensive RAPTOR too.
I agree with this completely. It's encouraging that he resigned with Dallas. I just hope he gets the burn. My only concern is RC pushing DP over WCS.

This has been an outstanding off-season for Dallas. Very exciting. I look forward to seeing how RC utilizes this roster. I've been a big proponent of going bigger and using more zone for years, and since the Lakers won with a bigger team and extended use of zone defense had demonstrable success in the PO's, I hope the Mavs take advantage of of both with their reworked roster. Well done MBT.

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I'm not so quick to say Terry won't be ready for important minutes. Again, I don't think people are giving enough credit to the changes we may see like a shortened season with players coming back so soon, load management and covid crap. At any point our guys could have to step up and play. The biggest hurdle in the rookies getting meaningful minutes is Rick doing Rick things. I'll be surprised if the kids aren't called on more than they normally would.
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I'm not so quick to say Terry won't be ready for important minutes. Again, I don't think people are giving enough credit to the changes we may see like a shortened season with players coming back so soon, load management and covid crap. At any point our guys could have to step up and play. The biggest hurdle in the rookies getting meaningful minutes is Rick doing Rick things. I'll be surprised if the kids aren't called on more than they normally would.

This.

We don't know what happens "behind the scenes" with RC and players..And I respect him as a coach.. But sometimes his choices are so weird.. Sometimes it looks to me like the players must eat dirt and kiss his ass just to play some minutes in the game - regardless if they are scoring machines on the court. It looks like if he doesn't like you then you will not play. Period.

It would be interesting to see in parallel universe at the same time Spoelstra and RC coaching Mavs.. But yeah.. Of course I don't know everything that Rick does.. So there is a huge possibility that my thinking is wrong..

I hope we see some minutes WCS playing and Richardson. And I hope we see Boban playing and not be pulled out of a game for no obvious reason by RC when he's getting easy buckets.
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Roster to start the season:

Doncic - Brunson - Burke - JJB - Terry
THJ - Green
JRich - Iwundu - Hinton
DFS - Kleber - Johnson - Bey
WCS - Powell - Boban

Injured: Porzingis


My best guess at active 12 is the top 2 at each position + Burke and Johnson. I think when KP comes back he will take Johnsonís spot. I think JJB gets cut after training camp and returns as a coach if he canít find another gig. Truly a much better all around team, our biggest question is going to be outside shooting. If we can ship out Brunson for a late first round pick, we should seriously consider it.
This might not be popular but I think Dallas should start the year with this rotation:

PG: Luka/Brunson/Terry/Barea
SG: THJ/Burke/Green
SF: Richardson/DFS/Iwundu
PF: Johnson/Kleber/Bey
C: WCS/Powell/Boban
*KP injured

I know many would be surprised with me starting WCS & Johnson over Powell/Maxi/DFS but Powell is coming back from a devastating achilles injury and we have no clue what he'll look like athletically. Maxi was exposed in the bubble as a starter. He brings great energy off the bench but as a starter he gets overexposed and all of his weaknesses show up in droves. DFS is too small to play a ton of 4 and gets abused by all of the bigger wings. He was great on PG13 and was destroyed by Kawhi because he's just too small. Johnson can guard 1-5, can handle those bigger wings, can shoot from deep and can even create/pass a little bit too. WCS can play the Powell/Chandler/Brandan Wright rim runner role but can offer rim protection that Powell couldn't even before the injury. WCS is also athletic enough to switch on to smaller players effectively.

This gives Carlisle the opportunity to really see what both Johnson and WCS can do before KP comes back and then we can continue to start whichever of the two is playing better or we think would be a better frontcourt pairing with KP. Also, the lineup of Brunson/Burke/DFS/Maxi/DP has a decent amount of camaraderie and would run opposing benches off the floor while Luka rests.
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This might not be popular but I think Dallas should start the year with this rotation:

PG: Luka/Brunson/Terry/Barea
SG: THJ/Burke/Green
SF: Richardson/DFS/Iwundu
PF: Johnson/Kleber/Bey
C: WCS/Powell/Boban
*KP injured

I know many would be surprised with me starting WCS & Johnson over Powell/Maxi/DFS but Powell is coming back from a devastating achilles injury and we have no clue what he'll look like athletically. Maxi was exposed in the bubble as a starter. He brings great energy off the bench but as a starter he gets overexposed and all of his weaknesses show up in droves. DFS is too small to play a ton of 4 and gets abused by all of the bigger wings. He was great on PG13 and was destroyed by Kawhi because he's just too small. Johnson can guard 1-5, can handle those bigger wings, can shoot from deep and can even create/pass a little bit too. WCS can play the Powell/Chandler/Brandan Wright rim runner role but can offer rim protection that Powell couldn't even before the injury. WCS is also athletic enough to switch on to smaller players effectively.

This gives Carlisle the opportunity to really see what both Johnson and WCS can do before KP comes back and then we can continue to start whichever of the two is playing better or we think would be a better frontcourt pairing with KP. Also, the lineup of Brunson/Burke/DFS/Maxi/DP has a decent amount of camaraderie and would run opposing benches off the floor while Luka rests.
Idk about who's a better fit starting and I have read this idea on twitter. I just think people are jaded to think that Rick-Rick is gonna go away from DFS in the SLU unless its a clear upgrade and this ain't it. I don't hate the idea personally but Rick is loyal to guys that work hard and climb the ladder.... Like DFS amd POWell. If those guys are avail amd ready to go, they will have to play themselves out of the SLU... Bet that.
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