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Old 10-13-2018, 02:15 AM   #201
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Looking at Luka's stat line you almost want to say he had a bad shooting night until you realize that 4/10 from three is a respectable 40%. I think we would be super fine if he averaged that over the season. Also only one turnover is key and you can just sense how his confidence is rising. Had smooth plays last night that we haven't seen from him before.

Very encouraging outing from our starters anyway. They were +18, but bench never got into a rhythm as Rick gave everybody a chance and most were playing single digit minutes.
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DFS had an underrated night

13pts, 7reb, 50% from three and from two
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DFS had an underrated night

13pts, 7reb, 50% from three and from two
He has been the biggest surprise of the preseason for sure. If only Wes could learn from him
on how to play within your limits.
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I'm really discouraged by Wes's preseason play. I put up with (but still hated seeing) him pounding the blood out of the ball last year because we went stretches without having Devin and/or JJ available, but there's almost no reason for him to dribble in the halfcourt, ever again.
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DFS looks comfortable and in control. Impressive stuff from him so far.

Luka is so fun to watch. It's almost the same feeling as when Dirk started coming on years ago.
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We look deep and versatile. You can I really think we'll be in the playoff race and maybe even as high as 5 or 6 seed.
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We look deep and versatile. You can I really think we'll be in the playoff race and maybe even as high as 5 or 6 seed.
I think its way to early to tell. If our bench keeps having such a dropoff we wont be.
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We look deep and versatile. You can I really think we'll be in the playoff race and maybe even as high as 5 or 6 seed.
Defense is going to be an issue. We have really struggled to defend so far. Decent defensive players. Just some lapses.

Occasionally we're going to be inefficient and will really struggle against tough defenses. That's pretty normal for a brand new team.

I really wouldn't expect us to break .450
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I think its way to early to tell. If our bench keeps having such a dropoff we wont be.
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Defense is going to be an issue. We have really struggled to defend so far. Decent defensive players. Just some lapses.

Occasionally we're going to be inefficient and will really struggle against tough defenses. That's pretty normal for a brand new team.

I really wouldn't expect us to break .450

Sorry, was on my phone earlier and didn't really get to make a more meaningful argument for why we will overachieve.

Last year we were bottom five in points per game, field goal %, field goals made, and dead last in offensive rebounds. We were also second to last in blocks. Our defense wasn't the problem (well it was, Dirk was abhorrent with the first team) but other than that we played solid team defense and were greater than the sum of our parts. Our problem was our ridiculously bad offense.

I think we've addressed our biggest issues in a way that will immediately translate to wins. You can already see the effect Luka is having on the rest of the team. We're moving the ball extremely well in the preseason. Deandre is an overrated defender, but he is absolutely a presence inside and will likely be top 5 in FG% and rebounds.
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Sorry, was on my phone earlier and didn't really get to make a more meaningful argument for why we will overachieve.

Last year we were bottom five in points per game, field goal %, field goals made, and dead last in offensive rebounds. We were also second to last in blocks. Our defense wasn't the problem (well it was, Dirk was abhorrent with the first team) but other than that we played solid team defense and were greater than the sum of our parts. Our problem was our ridiculously bad offense.

I think we've addressed our biggest issues in a way that will immediately translate to wins. You can already see the effect Luka is having on the rest of the team. We're moving the ball extremely well in the preseason. Deandre is an overrated defender, but he is absolutely a presence inside and will likely be top 5 in FG% and rebounds.
REALLLLLLLY small sample size, but some nice comparisons

LAST YEAR (regular season)
Defense
23rd in the league - Opponent FG%
15th in league - 3pt defense (opp. 3pt%)
23rd in the league - creating TOs
15th in DEFRTG
25th in steals
29th in blocks

Rebounding
30th in rebounding percentage

Offense
23rd in TS%
17th in 3pt%
26th in FG%
27th in FTA

THIS PRESEASON (change in ranking in parentheses)

Defense
19th in the league - Opponent FG% +4
27th in league - 3pt defense (opp. 3pt%) -12
3rd in the league - creating TOs +20
15th in DEFRTG (===)
11th in steals +18
3rd in blocks +26

Rebounding
4th in rebounding percentage +26

Offense
4th in TS% +19
8th in 3pt% +9
6th in FG% +20
1st in FTA +26

Defense is one of the things we've improved on least and our three point defense was the only thing that actually got worse. Then again it was only four games so sample size is terrible.
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Barnes is out against Phx but might play in the home opener against Minny per Rick via Followill.
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Hmm. Well we will get to see plenty of DFS in a meaningful game. Hopefully he continues his trending. I think it's safe to say that Broek will get his chances too.
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Hmm. Well we will get to see plenty of DFS in a meaningful game. Hopefully he continues his trending. I think it's safe to say that Broek will get his chances too.
Well and remember that DFS comes off the bench once Barnes returns. It's important to keep that in mind as some are worried about bench production. The bench obviously changes depending on who is healthy. Once healthy, then we have Dirk, DFS, Barea, Kleber, Powell as your major bench contributors. Not to mention Broekhoff, Brunson, Harris, and Mejri as emergency spot guys.
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I'm really discouraged by Wes's preseason play. I put up with (but still hated seeing) him pounding the blood out of the ball last year because we went stretches without having Devin and/or JJ available, but there's almost no reason for him to dribble in the halfcourt, ever again.
I'm going to enjoy this year immensely; however, I fully expect Wes to try and rob me of some of the joy watching the young guys play. I pray this is his last year.
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@townbrad: Quite a statement: Rick Carlisle says if there was a do-over on the 2016 draft, un-selected Dorian Finney-Smith would be a top 10-to-15 pick. If so, Mavs stole themselves a potential lottery talent.
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@townbrad: Quite a statement: Rick Carlisle says if there was a do-over on the 2016 draft, un-selected Dorian Finney-Smith would be a top 10-to-15 pick. If so, Mavs stole themselves a potential lottery talent.
Based on what he has been doing in practice? Maybe Cubans optimism is starting to rub off on RC.
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@townbrad: Quite a statement: Rick Carlisle says if there was a do-over on the 2016 draft, un-selected Dorian Finney-Smith would be a top 10-to-15 pick. If so, Mavs stole themselves a potential lottery talent.
That says a LOT more about that draft than it does Finney-Smith. Dude's gotta back that sh** up now. No excuses.
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That says a LOT more about that draft than it does Finney-Smith. Dude's gotta back that sh** up now. No excuses.
He has to back what Rick said up?
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After watching preseason, I fear that the Mavs finish with 36-39 wins. The defense being trash is the main reason. Still be a fun season but Ive dropped my expectations of making the playoffs.
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I can see TOP20 pick but as there are quite many good talent that would definitely be taken over DFS in top10 like Ben Simmons, Jaylen Brown, Brandon Ingram, Jamal Murray, Taurean Prince, Domantas Sabonis, Kris Dunn, Buddy Hield, Caris LeVert, etc and you already have quite many talent with higher ceiling like Dejounte Murray, Jakob Pöltl, Marquese Chriss, Skal Labissière etc.

There are also some talent to be found in secound rounders like Patrick McCaw, Chinanu Onuaku, etc and even some undrafted players like Fred VanVleet, even "our own" Yogi Ferrell that would compete with DFS for this top10-15, then more realistic would be TOP15-20.

But its great to see that another young player has won Carlisle trust.
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You may be right, but...

1. Never judge by preseason

2. If you consider how many games we lost by a few points and look back at how many of those games we would go down by 10+ points in games it wasn't just defense that caused it. We lacked firepower to sustain runs on offense. Dirk was playing center with a strewn together team that had no identity or staple players aside from Barnes.

We have gone over what Deandra helps change for this group and if it were just him being added to the team, the 2nd chances opponents get will decrease dramatically. That will play a factor in the close games.

At this point all that we have seen from Doncic, people would be way more surprised if he wasn't a major contributor than if he was.

Kleber looks better than most of us could have imagined. His improvement has been almost too good to be true.

DFS looks like a different player and if he proves RC right about his praise it will bolster our bench considerably.

With the addition of Deandra in a close game down the stretch we can now secure rebounds. I like the chances of DSJ, Doncic, Barnes getting a late bucket. Dirk and Wes aren't bad in those situations either.

Imo, judging the preseason... it has improved my hopes for the regular season. I know other teams have gotten better too, but I don't think many have improved from last year to this year more than we have.
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I can see anything from .300 to .550

.425 is my average i guess.

My biggest thing? We're young. Real young. Smith can be efficient one game and really inefficient the next. Maybe even quarter by quarter or minute by minute.

He hasn't found a way to always be doing something positive for the team like Dirk did when he'd learn to rebound or psych out defenses by going aggressive and then passing it to setup other guys who were hitting shots. Some minutes, quarters, or games Smith's going to be a net negative. Doncic too. With those two guys being so young we're really going to struggle sometimes.

Also, the West is just brutal and we didn't do ourselves any favors by only playing foreign and Eastern Conference teams in the preseason when record doesn't matter. That means we're playing the following teams four times each:

Warriors, Jazz, Rockets, Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets, Blazers, and Suns

That's 32 of our 82 games against some fierce western competition.
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Looking at the official roster now...noticed Ryan Broekhoff's name not included...is he gone?
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Astute observation. He isn't listed on ESPN or the Mavs official site. Weird.

Edit: He is still listed on NBA.com.
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I can see anything from .300 to .550

.425 is my average i guess.

My biggest thing? We're young. Real young. Smith can be efficient one game and really inefficient the next. Maybe even quarter by quarter or minute by minute.

He hasn't found a way to always be doing something positive for the team like Dirk did when he'd learn to rebound or psych out defenses by going aggressive and then passing it to setup other guys who were hitting shots. Some minutes, quarters, or games Smith's going to be a net negative. Doncic too. With those two guys being so young we're really going to struggle sometimes.

Also, the West is just brutal and we didn't do ourselves any favors by only playing foreign and Eastern Conference teams in the preseason when record doesn't matter. That means we're playing the following teams four times each:

Warriors, Jazz, Rockets, Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets, Blazers, and Suns

That's 32 of our 82 games against some fierce western competition.
If we didnt have a center and Barnes who you can go to for some stability I would be more concerned with lengthy struggles. I dont think Dsj and doncic will kill us all that much. Yea there will be times of frustration but we have guys who can come in and help.

I dont expect the playoffs but I expect more wins for sure and more exciting games.
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Kleber looks better than most of us could have imagined. His improvement has been almost too good to be true.
He's working with Holger... https://twitter.com/bobbykaralla/sta...62475251507205
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My biggest thing? We're young. Real young. Smith can be efficient one game and really inefficient the next. Maybe even quarter by quarter or minute by minute.
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That means we're playing the following teams four times each:

Warriors, Jazz, Rockets, Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets, Blazers, and Suns
Yeah, youth is going to account for massive swings in quality of play for sure. But even with that, I'm only writing off losses against the power house teams. The others, I really give us a solid chance of pulling out a win.

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Solid L for Learning experience - GSW(4), HOU(4), BOS(4)
Slight chance of a W if stars align - TOR(3), OKC(3)
Solid chance of a W but not butt-hurt over a loss - POR(3), SAS(2)
Could swing either way depending and should be a good game - PHI(1), IND(1), UTH(2), NOP(2)
Everyone else - I'm going to expect a win the vast majority of the time

That counts for 29 losses with 11 wins for 40 games. The remaining 42 games, I give a 75% win rate which comes out to 32 wins rounded up. So I'm going with 43-39 record and a solid 8th seed where 9th place is a respectable 41-41 record.
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Don't care what their record is as long as they try to win games. No doubt the season will be fun to watch.
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I'm the crazy guy here. Maybe because I just turned older than dirt, I'm going delusional. Not sure. I recorded the game the other night. I saw a team, Charlotte, that had a very hot 3 ball shooting streak. Just very lucky. Yet, our starters were just plain better. Move DFS to the second 5, add Barnes. As good as DFS has played, I expect Barnes to be an improvement. Then add Dirk to the second 5. That's 1/5 new starter, and 2/5 new back ups. A rookie that isn't. OK, no more math. No more anything but a gut feeling and watching since the Mavs started playing. They are the surprise team this year. They SHOCK people. They claw to 3rd in the West. OK, label me senile.... just turned 57.... WAIT, is that Mark Aguirre I just saw...? Oh, never mind. I forgot about the refs.
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Joy at seeing Kleber work with Holger?

Anyway, Kleber is a beast. I was his biggest fan last year. Dude is a little older, but he's been super impressive with his rebounding, shooting, and even defense. As much as I want to give DFS a shot, Kleber has been more of a steal. He's starting caliber and is playing like a mid-late first rounder for us.
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Whats the opposite of schadenfreude?

Joy at seeing Kleber work with Holger?

Anyway, Kleber is a beast. I was his biggest fan last year. Dude is a little older, but he's been super impressive with his rebounding, shooting, and even defense. As much as I want to give DFS a shot, Kleber has been more of a steal. He's starting caliber and is playing like a mid-late first rounder for us.
I think DFS's ability to guard multiple positions, especially backcourt, and run the floor gives him the nod over Kleber. Just a better fit with the starting core imo.
It will probably depend on matchups.

My hope is that DFS plays well enough to eventually move into the starting lineup with Barnes but in place of Wes.

I do think Kleber deserves as much or more time than Powell though.

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Looking at the official roster now...noticed Ryan Broekhoff's name not included...is he gone?
This appears to be the final roster:

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