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Old 12-31-2013, 01:01 PM   #1
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I voted for firing him bc I don't think he is a difference maker as a coach. And with as much as this team has to overcome due to front office limitations (see Jerry), the head coach needs to be exceptionally good...and I just don't get that from coach Garrett.
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Can't imagine anyone wanting to keep him. I remember having this discussion with a old friend of mine who is a die hard Cowboys fan before Garrett was ever coach. He said that if they made Garrett coach, then the Cowboys would at best be mediocre. Here we are.
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Every Jason Garrett-coached game ever:

1st down: 3-yard run (never, never, NEVER take a shot down the field...)
2nd down: another 3-yard run or a 5-yard pass (3 chances for a 1st down, no hurry!)
3rd down: pass-pass-pass.

Beginning of 4th quarter, up 27-14 (Murray with 150 yds): pass-pass-pass-punt... pass-pass-pass-punt... pass-pass-pass-punt.

2-minute warning, down 27-28 (Murray with 154 yds): pass-pass-pass-interception.

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Even on offense, which is the side of the ball Garrett is supposed to belong to, watching the Cowboys is like pulling teeth. Honestly, the game against the Eagles was the BEST the Cowboys offense had looked all season, and it's not because Orton is better than Romo. It's because Garrett isn't good at his job.

Watching the Cowboys the last several seasons, I see an unprepared, poorly-coached team without a gameplan or identity. Regardless of how shallow the roster is, identity is something you can be responsible for as a head coach. Garrett fails miserably at it.

Give me Mike Zimmer or David Shaw, along with the immediate replacement of the strength and conditioning coach (at some point, injuries are not just bad luck).
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It would be a foolish mistake to fire him at this juncture. Need to give him at least two more years. Despite the drawbacks mentioned here, the guy has a whole hell of a lot of very positive things going for him--things his replacement likely wouldn't have.
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It would be a foolish mistake to fire him at this juncture. Need to give him at least two more years. Despite the drawbacks mentioned here, the guy has a whole hell of a lot of very positive things going for him--things his replacement likely wouldn't have.
Genuinely wondering - what do you think those positive things are?
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I'm ambivalent on firing him.

I would rather the Cowboys replace the quarterback. The quarterback is more of a problem than Jason Garrett.
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You're smoking crack bayliss.. absolutely insane.
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Perhaps. But this is the ONLY year in Romo's career in which he didn't have a meltdown and cost the Cowboys.

And let's face it... had he played Sunday I'm sure he would have done something stupid to cost them the game.

From the fumbled snap in Seattle on the extra point, to throwing picks against NY. Romo just doesn't have it. But Cowboy fans will keep diluting themselves and the Cowboys will be around 8-8 next year because that is the way Romo plays. The problem is when the pressure gets too tight, it swings negatively.
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You know he threw one pick in the Giants game and it was on 4th down where he basically had to just throw it up and hope. The game was won if Patrick Crayton just caught a perfect pass right in his stomach.

You're the Dallas Cowboys equivalent in a fan to what many people in the area were towards Dirk a few years back.. and that's not a compliment.
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Nope. Because Dirk could get to the Finals. He could get to the WCFs. Romo can't even win a playoff game, or worse yet even get to the playoffs.

Dirk always had what it took. He was literally cheated out of one title. Romo can't even put himself in a position to be cheated out of anything.
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You know he threw one pick in the Giants game and it was on 4th down where he basically had to just throw it up and hope. The game was won if Patrick Crayton just caught a perfect pass right in his stomach.

You're the Dallas Cowboys equivalent in a fan to what many people in the area were towards Dirk a few years back.. and that's not a compliment.
The difference is that Dirk had many years of playoffs success before winning a ring. Romo has won all of one playoff game in his entire career as a starter. I'm not a Romo hater, but I never liked the comparisons with Dirk. Dirk is an all-time NBA great player, and Romo is just a good quarterback until proven otherwise.
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It's impossible to compare Romo to Dirk because football and basketball are apples and oranges... One man can take over a basketball game, but that's not the case with football. The closest you can get to a one-man takeover in the NFL is a RB going HAM on another team, but that would still be extremely dependent on his offensive line.

In basketball, a guy like Dirk or LeBron can just take over and change the entire complexion of the game by themselves... Whereas Romo has to depend on his line keeping him safe, his receivers catching the ball and his offensive coordinator reading the defense properly from the sidelines. Every.Single.Down.

Football is more of a team sport than basketball in a lot of ways.
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I agree that is not fair to judge footballers to hoopsters...but there is still a grand canyon of difference between the type of players Dirk and Romo are.

Dirk is a top 30 ALL TIME GREAT for his sport.

It is not fair to Romo OR Dirk to mention the two in comparison.
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I agree that is not fair to judge footballers to hoopsters...but there is still a grand canyon of difference between the type of players Dirk and Romo are.

Dirk is a top 30 ALL TIME GREAT for his sport.

It is not fair to Romo OR Dirk to mention the two in comparison.
Tony Romo has put up better numbers for America's Team than living legends Aikman and Staubach - it's not his fault that Jerry Jones is incapable of providing a quality supporting cast akin to what Cuban has surrounded Dirk with over the years (especially in the coaching department).

But football requires a much larger support network than basketball - again, apples and oranges.
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But football requires a much larger support network than basketball - again, apples and oranges.
Comparing Romo to Dirk is apples and oranges indeed.
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You know he threw one pick in the Giants game and it was on 4th down where he basically had to just throw it up and hope. The game was won if Patrick Crayton just caught a perfect pass right in his stomach.

You're the Dallas Cowboys equivalent in a fan to what many people in the area were towards Dirk a few years back.. and that's not a compliment.
Spot on. And we should also remember the stupid kick return that really kept the Giants in that game. Wade was laughed at when he said after that the better team didn't win the game, but he was absolutely right. The Giants didn't demonstrably play well enough to win, it just happened that way.
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Genuinely wondering - what do you think those positive things are?
He's very smart. He's very committed to learning, listening, and getting better at his job. He has some brilliant football minds in his support group. He avoids ridiculous mistakes. The organization he leads seems behaviorally sound. He is secure enough in his own position to entrust highly-qualified people (whom many would consider his senior) in important positions.

His team came to play, every damn week this year save maybe one. He's a pro's pro.

Roll the dice and find better if you like, but there is a reason the guy got the job.
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I agree that is not fair to judge footballers to hoopsters...but there is still a grand canyon of difference between the type of players Dirk and Romo are.

Dirk is a top 30 ALL TIME GREAT for his sport.

It is not fair to Romo OR Dirk to mention the two in comparison.
I argue that Dirk has joined the top 25 ALL TIME stratosphere.
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Spot on. And we should also remember the stupid kick return that really kept the Giants in that game. Wade was laughed at when he said after that the better team didn't win the game, but he was absolutely right. The Giants didn't demonstrably play well enough to win, it just happened that way.
You guys think if we had won that game, Wade would still be coaching? JW
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Hmm. Good question. I certainly imagine he'd have stayed around much longer than he did. But it's been seven years now. That's an NFL coaching lifetime.

On the whole, I think that teams often fire coaches way too soon (see Belichek). Another reason I say keep Garrett on.
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Certainly could be. I chose 30, bc I felt that it was already on lock.
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Hmm. Good question. I certainly imagine he'd have stayed around much longer than he did. But it's been seven years now. That's an NFL coaching lifetime.

On the whole, I think that teams often fire coaches way too soon (see Belichek). Another reason I say keep Garrett on.
True, getting to the NFC Champ game would have bought Wade an extra 3-4 years. Who knows where Romo's career arc would be today if he had won that NYG game... sigh.
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Ugh, I voted and immediately regretted my choice. Seems like an unavoidable result here.
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there is no "I dont care because the cowboys are run by an incompetent ass anyway and won't be a factor in the playoffs" option?
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With a 5-1 record now, maybe we were wrong about Jason Garrett?
Hell, no. Fire him. Twice.
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A year ago, hell a few weeks ago I'd have said fire him. I still don't trust him at all, but perhaps there is something to be said for continuity. Maybe he is getting better with experience. I am definitely happy that he's not filling the head coach/offensive coordinator duel roles anymore. For better or worse, it looks like he's going to be our coach for the foreseeable future.
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Nice little write-up from a poster on a Cowboys forum I follow. The post was titled "Thank you, Jason Garrett!"

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AND Thank you to Jerry Jones

It's time I formally apologize for my apathy and critical voice towards our coach Jason Garrett. He took over as interm coach in 2010 and was "Jerry's Guy" which always scares the hell out of me. Looking back on it, Jerry and his son seem to have come to an accord. They seem to have agreed to share power and include their head coach in the decision making. Positive step number 1.

The Making of the 6-1 Powerhouse 2014 Dallas Cowboys

So here is what I see now, that I didn't see back then. Then being 2011's 8-8 season. We were patching up the O line with journeymen guys and doing the same on defense with only Lee and Ware as superstars. What I didn't see coming was the change in draft philosophy. Between Wade Phillips and Jerry they both wanted stars. In 2010 they drafted Dez, Lee and 4 players that no longer on on the team.

They went 1-7 to start that year which got Wade fired and began the Garrett era.

The first thing Garrett had to do was finish strong and prove the team would play for him. He did that. The team was in just about every game losing by 3, 1 and 3 in the only games they lost in the second half of the season. The next thing he had to do was draft well and not have a losing record while he rebuilt the team to keep the pressure off him and Jerry. How did he do that?

He hired great coaches. He kept the O line coach in Hudson Houck, he brought in a team of great coaches that could coach up the players he had. He had perhaps the best positions coaching he could find, even hired consultants for every position group.

His press conferences were generic. "We need to focus on this week", "we need to get the right kind of guys who go about their business the right way","It's a process and we are just continuing the process of building the team with the right kind of guys". All boring and uninformative stuff right. But was it?

You see, he was a part of the 90's Cowboys teams and he new what a Superbowl team looked and felt like. He saw what Jimmy Johnson did to build a superbowl winning team. If Jason Garrett is one thing, it's SMART. He is also very humble and players, staffers, even the janitor loves the guy. So what does he do, well lets take a look.

2011
2011 1 9 Tyron Smith OL
2011 2 40 Bruce Carter LB
2011 3 71 DeMarco Murray RB
2011 4 110 David Arkin OL
2011 5 143 Josh Thomas DB
2011 6 176 Dwayne Harris WR
2011 7 220 Shaun Chapas RB
2011 7 252 Bill Nagy OL

Goes 7 for 8 on draft picks with 3 pro bowlers. No big spash just rock solid players. Jerry placated by a new shiny LT. Smith, Murray and Harris as one of the best special teamers in the league. Carter, Nagy both help the LB core and O line at key points during the season in which seemed like players were going down like flies. The only bad miss was Chapas but hey 7 round pick.

2012


2012 1 6 Morris Claiborne DB
2012 3 81 Tyrone Crawford DE
2012 4 113 Kyle Wilber LB
2012 4 135 Matt Johnson SS
2012 5 152 Danny Coale WR
2012 6 186 James Hanna TE
2012 7 222 Caleb McSurdy LB

This was the last year that Jerry Jones dictated the draft. You could tell that he wanted to splash and that got them off track. You will see by next years draft the strings were moved info a few more hands. I recall a big argument about the picks that year. Garrett and Stephen Jones both storming out of Jerry's office upset at his stubbornness. This was a typical Jerry draft. Flashy but short on talent.

Did get some solid players in Crawford, Wilber, Hanna, while we never new with Glass Johnson and McSurdy's career ending injury. But MO is probably a bust.

But now look at how they got back to business.

2013


2013 1 31 Travis Frederick OL
2013 2 47 Gavin Escobar TE
2013 3 74 Terrance Williams WR
2013 3 80 J.J. Wilcox FS
2013 4 114 B.W. Webb DB
2013 5 151 Joseph Randle RB
2013 6 185 DeVonte Holloman

Now this was a defining draft and WAY WAY far away from a Jerry Draft. This draft is 7-7 folks. That's right. I must admit even I threw up my hands and said "who the FK is Travis Frederick". We all know who he his is now. Perhaps the best center in all of football. You saw what Escabar can do last week with 2 touchdowns. Terrance Williams or (TD Williams) or Toe Tap Williams which ever you prefer is playing at a pro bowl level. JJ Wilcox starting FS. Randle and Holloman both have played well when needed. Webb the only player cut this year but could also play and was picked up by the Steelers as soon as he cleared waivers.

2014


2014 1 16 Zack Martin OL 2014
2014 2 34 Demarcus Lawrence DE
2014 4 119 Anthony Hitchens LB
2014 5 146 Devin Street WR 2014
2014 7 231 Ben Gardner DE
2014 7 238 Will Smith LB
2014 7 248 Ahmad Dixon SS
2014 7 251 Ken Bishop DT 2014
2014 7 254 Terrance Mitchell CB


Now here is where the final piece of the puzzle what slammed home. Folks you're looking at another 7 players. A pro bowl G in Martin that if the voting were not skewed towards skill plays, is hands down rookie of the year. Demarcus II is coming on line in two weeks after breaking a bone in his foot trying to get by our Mauler in Tyron Smith. Hitchens who was able to hold own the Mike LB spot like a pro leading the team in tackles and a forced fumble in his first start. Both street and Bishop are solid.

Oh and a simple phone call from Jerry Jones gets Rolando McClain, the 8th player taken in the 2011 draft, comes in to start at Mike linebacker in place of Sean Lee and shocks the house dominating the position. This kid is for real folks. He may be better then Sean Lee at the position. That is SCARY.

Now lets zoom out at see what Garrett has assembled here in three years.

Our O line with three 1st round pick is perhaps the best in the league allowing Murray to break Jim Browns record for 100 yard games with 7 and will soon be 8 after monday night.

Now Romo doesn't have to do it all and has time to pick teams apart which he is doing week in and week out. El Matador (slip) which ever you prefer has been this guy all along. The difference now is the he doesn't have to make magic on every play throwing into cover two with a extra safety or LB playing robber knowing we have to throw to win. You don't see teams dropping LB and linemen into coverage anymore ending up in places they shouldn't be, when Romo throws a ball that ends up picked. Defenses have to focus on the run now so Romo can throw against straight up coverage.

So I am here to say Sorry Jason for not seeing what you were doing. Thank you Jerry for giving up some control and letting your son and Jason build this team they way it should have been built long ago.

For now we have a juggernaut that can go on the road, in the cold, into Seattle, and dare I say Green Bay and Maul teams up front. We can run on you and if you slow that down, we can pass all over you. On defense we force you to drive by limiting big plays. We take the ball away and get off the field on third down. This team is built to win and win for the next few years. This team is physical! As evidence I submit teams that play the Cowboys are 1-5 the next game out. That's because they were punished folks. Just like in the glory years. We use to be the team that players were on the turf after a play in the 4th quarter rolling around one after the other. Did you see the Seahawks players on the last run by Murray. The linebacker was on his rump, Sherman was a scare crow holding his shoulder down like his arm was about to fall off, and the lineman was face down. As for Murray, he got up, dropped the ball, looked back and strolled back to the huddle.

Can you imagine next years draft if there's a tackle on the board in the first round. Then all defense in the rest. Boy oh Boy the Cowboys are back. Thanks to Garrett and is staff of coaches, looks like we are going to be a team to reckon with for years to come. The Cowboys are relevant again.
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I'm still not confident in Garrett's game-management and playcalling abilities (or at least, not when those playcalling duties are mixed with HC duties), but I have a lot of confidence in his ability to build and manage a roster.
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Thank goodness the coaching carosel has stopped.
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Garrett pulling a Belichick - keeping the starters in, running up the score in a mostly-meaningless game... I love it!
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Wow, Redskins throw an interception 4th and 1 only a few yards from the goal line.
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Jason Garrett agrees to five-year deal
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It appears there needs to be some serious crow eating in this thread.
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Wait, this isn't the HIRE JASON GARRETT thread?
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Mmmm...crow. yummy!

During the three years that preceeded this season, we watched the Dallas Cowboys through some of the dumbest playcalling in football. Clearly that improved dramatically this year. I'm not sure exactly why. Jason got better at calling plays? He trusted his staff more? He had a better staff? All of this?
But I know now that for sure he is a lot better at things other than playcalling than I gave him credit for.
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For what it's worth I think Garrett was never awful at play calling, I think I remember reading in the past that Romo would check out of run plays in favor of pass plays. Not that I blame him, we didn't have a strong run game till last year and I think he still checked out of those plays because the defense was so historically bad that he felt he had to score 35+ to have a shot at a W. To me romo only checked into pass plays this year when he had single coverage on dez, and i'll stop there cuz I just made myself sad again.
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