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Old 02-22-2020, 10:08 PM   #121
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Anyone else notice that every close game that we play, one of our guys (Luka, Brunson, THJ) goes into iso hero-ball mode in the closing minutes.
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Old 02-22-2020, 10:11 PM   #122
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That review at the end was BS! Refs blew the whistle for goaltending before the Collins putback. The play was dead. You can even see Dodo quit playing and Seth waved his finger for a review while Collins is going up for the shot.
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That review at the end was BS! Refs blew the whistle for goaltending before the Collins putback. The play was dead. You can even see Dodo quit playing and Seth waved his finger for a review while Collins is going up for the shot.
That was bizarre. They clearly blew the whistle. I donít understand how they could allow that basket to count.
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That review at the end was BS! Refs blew the whistle for goaltending before the Collins putback. The play was dead. You can even see Dodo quit playing and Seth waved his finger for a review while Collins is going up for the shot.
I didnít know they could do that.
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Meltdown started when Maxi picked up 5th foul.
Game was over when he picked up 6th.
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Old 02-22-2020, 10:17 PM   #126
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we were b2b and down to 10 players, with our main guys out and our backup PG, but keep on hating like you always do after losses
Enough with the damn excuses. It's not like we were rolling scrubs out there. How many players did we play who have been starters in the NBA? Did we play one guy who hasn't been a starter? Most have, and most are veterans.

We choked, and then when the shots were not falling, we didn't value size and defense in the paint enough to do anything about it, so we gave up rebounds left and right and opened the door for layup drills. Yeah, we were missing Luka and KP. Uhh, this very same garbage has happened when we've had Luka and KP playing, so it's not as if this is an uncharacteristic anomaly. This was a winnable game against a garbage team whose asses we were kicking, but we went small while they went bigger, and we paid the price.... again. SMH

Yeah, people bitch quite a bit after a loss, especially one of these meltdowns where we just give the damn game away. Go back and reread those threads, and maybe you might find a common complaint IN EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM. Small ball with no legit size for rebounding, defense or shot blocking in the paint results in LOSSES.

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Meltdown started when Maxi picked up 5th foul.
Game was over when he picked up 6th.
True. Pissed as I am about the botched call at the end, there was no evidence to suggest we could tie it up the way we were playing.
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Old 02-22-2020, 10:21 PM   #128
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Talk about the MAVS being soft... Brunson gets cheap shotted 10 seconds in and is knocked out of game with a sprained shoulder, and Trae Young finishes the game with a highlight reel of layup drills with not a scratch on him. SMH

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For some reason, and I can't explain it, but I miss Powell.
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Talk about soft. Brunson gets cheap shotted 10 seconds in and is knocked out of game with a sprained shoulder, and Trae Young finishes the game with a highlight reel of layup drills with not a scratch on him. SMH
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Sadly, yes.
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From Mavs Moneyball:

"Give some credit to Atlanta. They played a 1-2-2 zone with Cam Reddish at the top, and it befuddled the Mavericks. It forced bad shots and miscues that helped the Hawks get back in the game."

How ironic. Too bad somebody hasn't suggested that the Mavs counter small ball with bigs in the paint in a 1-2-2 zone. /sarc SMH
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You didn't think that shot on Brunson should've been a flagrant and was borderline cheap? If not, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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So they call a goaltend. They literally blew the whistle that it was a goaltend. There was a putback after the whistle. After review they said no goaltend but count the basket ? WTF is that ? That's NBA officiating.
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You didn't think that shot on Brunson should've been a flagrant and was borderline cheap? If not, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
You never said anything at all about how the play was called.
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Well they don't care to play the game so I don't care to watch it. Bummer.
And exactly why I didn't watch this. Mavs are forfeiting games in the middle of a run to make the playoffs. Just checked in and sure enough they gave a winnable game away so our teenage superstars could get some rest. Fuck this is stupid.
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I think he meant it was soft that there wasnít any retaliation.
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And exactly why I didn't watch this. Mavs are forfeiting games in the middle of a run to make the playoffs. Just checked in and sure enough they gave a winnable game away so our teenage superstars could get some rest. Fuck this is stupid.
Not sure about Luka and WCS and why they missed this, but KP must be rested. His knee(s) ligaments (or whatever the tissue is) literally wear down. You can rest him a little here and there, or get to the point where he needs to be out for 2-3 weeks like last time. That much is obvious.
RC desperately needed WCS for this one and I don't know why he was out.
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we were b2b and down to 10 players, with our main guys out and our backup PG, but keep on hating like you always do after losses
Come on dude

Several posters on here stated earlier in the thread this was a terrible hawks teams

Just about everyone mentioned how bad of a defensive team the hawks were

The mavs were bearing this terrible hawks team by double digits even without KP and Luka and not one person was concerned about a comeback or mentioned that we lacked talent to beat them

At some point the bad small ball lineups caught up to our ass while atlanta went with dedmon and collins and didn't worry about who they could or couldn't defend

They just killed us on the glass

But most importantly we've blown games like this all year with and without luka and KP at what point is not a just a fluke or about who plays or sits out?

We are just a bad crunch time team even if we are at full strength all the #s support it the mavs don't play well late in games and some of the bad lineup decisions throughout the games don't help IMO

Carlisle is the coach and he's the one who makes these lineup decisions game after game

He may not be 100% responsible but trust me he's not above criticism just because he won a ring 8 years ago
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You never said anything at all about how the play was called.
Many other teams are regularly getting extremely physical with our star players. Regularly.
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Not sure about Luka and WCS and why they missed this, but KP must be rested. His knee(s) ligaments (or whatever the tissue is) literally wear down. You can rest him a little here and there, or get to the point where he needs to be out for 2-3 weeks like last time. That much is obvious.
RC desperately needed WCS for this one and I don't know why he was out.
Honest question for you

How many minutes do you truly believe RC would have given WCS based on his usage so far and inability to shoot 3's?

I keep reading that we didn't have WCS but from what I've seen he appears to be slowly getting phased out of any rotation minutes

Heck the other night MKG played before WCS and RC mentioned already he sees MKG as a 5/4 position player
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How many minutes do you truly believe RC would have given WCS based on his usage so far and inability to shoot 3's?
I don't know man. I think it is all about matchups for RC. But this game they literally ran out of people to play 5 because Boban is deemed too immobile to be effective on defense against Hawks' fast offense.

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I think he meant it was soft that there wasnít any retaliation.
That's exactly what I meant. The Mavs play small and are soft. Mark my words, they are going to head into the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed and get bounced in the first round, and Luka is going to take a beating while it happens, but hey, he'll have the entire offseason to heal, and the team will have exceeded expectations. SMH Ridiculous.
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I don't know man. I think it is all about matchups for RC. But this game they literally ran out of people to play 5 because Boban is deemed too immobile to be effective on defense against Hawks' fast offense.
The hawks are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the nba and they continued that trend tonight hitting just 8 out 37 attempts

Even D.Harper pointed that out.

The mavs never bothered to play a zone with boban in the middle and force the hawks to make 3"s


Trae young attacked the paint more often do to our lack of size and their two bigs a used us in that 4th qtr on the offensive glass and some of that work came while kleber was on the floor

Seems like a lineup of Boban, Kleber and DFS on the back end of a zone would have stopped the easy layups and limited the late game offensive rebounds

This lineup didn't have to play heavy minutes together but in the last 3-4 minutes when you clearly see small ball isnt keeping the hawks out the paint and off the boards you would think much like atlanta did you would counter with a big lineup and throw in some zone

Instead you go with DFS at 5 and JJ at 5

That is as bad as it gets up front when your trying to win damn games to better your playoff positioning

All the talk about how Dallas has a soft schedule the rest of the way and I'm not sure they still will play better than. 500 ball because of all the puzzling things that will continue to happen with the rotations all year

This team imo should be ahead of Houston, Utah and OKC while being right on the heels of Denver and LA Clippers

I get it no one expected the playoffs but that doesn't mean since your ahead of schedule you should just stay content with being a 7th or 8th seed

Miami found out they were better than expected and became more aggressive towards getting a higher playoff seed. They aren't waiting til next year for their young guys to go for it they are trying to cease the moment as quickly as possible.

It just seems as if the mavs operate in laid back atmosphere because they assume with luka and kp being young they have all the time in the world.

I hope that doesn't turn into another Dirk situation where he went from and bright future to not finally winning it until he was 32 years old and then never made it back.

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Wait, I'm confused. Collins isn't a 3pt threat, yet he and Dedmon were out there together. The offensive putbacks and easy pnr buckets are deflating. They stomped on us.. like dinosaurs do.

11 or 12 turnovers in the 2nd half hurt as well as almost all of our shot attempts down the stretch were 3's.
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Wait, I'm confused. Collins isn't a 3pt threat, yet he and Dedmon were out there together. The offensive putbacks and easy pnr buckets are deflating. They stomped on us.. like dinosaurs do.

11 or 12 turnovers in the 2nd half hurt as well as almost all of our shot attempts down the stretch were 3's.
Take the two best players off of the Lakers. Subtract a key reserve a minute into the game

They ain't gonna look good either
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Take the two best players off of the Lakers. Subtract a key reserve a minute into the game

They ain't gonna look good either
Sure they would vs the Lakers because Howard or McGee would still be in the game to protect the paint and rebound


This was a terrible hawks team any way you want to slice it

They came into the game poor defensively and poor shooting 3's as a team

But the one thing they stuck with was their size advantage and it abused the mavs on the offensive glass all night especially in that 4th qtr

Also let's not forget the fact that the hawks shot 8 of 37 from 3pt range

Yet you refuse to play a zone defense late in the 4th qtr to force them to make shots. Instead you run out trash up front putting DFS at center and JJ at PF to counter collins and Dedmon size advantage

What a joke of a coaching decision

Could have easily went with boban. Kleber and DFS in that last 3-4 minutes in a zone to protect kleber from fouling out but most importantly to give you size inside to stop the layup drill and offensive rebounds that killed you late.

Btw neither Collins nor Dedmon were going to beat you outside that's why a zone with boban in the middle works vs that scrub ass hawks team who can't shoot

Instead Young sees no bigs or rim protection and puts his head down and attacks the paint if he misses so what he knew collins or dedmon would just gobble up all rebounds

Then their 1st year coach throws a freaking zone at the mavs which turns out to be a brilliant move by a sub par coaching staff who out smarted the smartest coach in the business on our sidelines
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Take the two best players off of the Lakers. Subtract a key reserve a minute into the game

They ain't gonna look good either
We looked fine until it was time to close the deal and they had 2 bigs on the floor.
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We looked fine until it was time to close the deal and they had 2 bigs on the floor.
I think we win had WCS played, and I mean that sincerely. He played them well last time.
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I think we win had WCS played, and I mean that sincerely. He played them well last time.
Yea, maybe. I'm just sick and tired of the small ball. I'd rather die trying to play defense and keeping other teams off the boards than watch us get bullied and resort to launching 3s. If we had scrappy defensive guards it wouldn't be so hard to handle. We definitely don't have that roster.
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That's exactly what I meant. The Mavs play small and are soft. Mark my words, they are going to head into the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed and get bounced in the first round, and Luka is going to take a beating while it happens, but hey, he'll have the entire offseason to heal, and the team will have exceeded expectations. SMH Ridiculous.
Not OP but I thought too you were saying Brunson was soft for missing the rest of the game. I agree with your above though.
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That's exactly what I meant. The Mavs play small and are soft. Mark my words, they are going to head into the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed and get bounced in the first round, and Luka is going to take a beating while it happens, but hey, he'll have the entire offseason to heal, and the team will have exceeded expectations. SMH Ridiculous.
I don't disagree with your take on this play. The replay looks pretty bad. In Carlisle's playing days, Trey gets put on his ass the next time he drives to the hoop. Kleber seems like he has the chippy personality required, but they lost the game because he fouled out. Boban seems too nice.
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I think we win had WCS played, and I mean that sincerely. He played them well last time.
I agree, we needed one more big to close this game.
I'm still scratching my head as to why we didn't just re-sign Mejri as nothing more than insurance for games like this. Boban is strictly situational and probably wouldn't have been a good solution in the situation last night but Mejri certainly would have been because he is mobile enough to hang with Dedmon and maybe even Collins.

To me Mejri was both insurance and situational because he is more mobile and versatile. He also seemed to have a great attitude and understood his role by always being ready to play.

Still can't believe the Mavs couldn't see that in the off-season.

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Not OP but I thought too you were saying Brunson was soft for missing the rest of the game. I agree with your above though.
Brunson gets cheap shotted, has to leave the game due to a sprained shoulder, and when I mention "soft" and how Trae gets a free pass to the rim and finishes game without a scratch on him, some people think I'm complaining about Brunson. WTH?

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I agree, we needed one more big to close this game.
I'm still scratching my head as to why we didn't just re-sign Mejri as nothing more than insurance for games like this. Boban is strictly situational and probably wouldn't have been a good solution in the situation last night but Mejri certainly would have been because he is mobile enough to hang with Dedmon and maybe even Collins.

To me Mejri was both insurance and situational because he is more mobile and versatile. He also seemed to have a great attitude and understood his role by always being ready to play.

Still can't believe the Mavs couldn't see that in the off-season.
If Boban can't be played last night due to his "limitations" then in exactly what "situations" can he be used? Balls don't get stuck on top of the backboard every game, so that can't be it.

Call me crazy, but I thought most guys who played small forward weren't playing at the 5 mainly due to size "limitations." /sarc

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If Boban can't be played last night due to his "limitations" then in exactly what "situations" can he be used? Balls don't get stuck on top of the backboard every game, so that can't be it.

Call me crazy, but I thought most guys who played small forward weren't playing at the 5 mainly due to size "limitations." /sarc

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Boban is good in mid-game situations to spell other bigs for a few minutes and provide some mismatches. He is not suitable for closing situations where action and intensity picks up and more rim protection is required. In the old NBA when big low post centers (Shaq, Ewing, Moses, Hakeem, etc...) were the goto guys then maybe a guy like Boban would make some sense, but nowadays those types of players are not the primary goto closing options.

My point is that a guy like Mejri, and DHWS's point that WCS, would have made a difference in this game.

As I've been saying all season, if we would have went into the season with a frontcourt of KP/Powell/Maxi/Mejri I think we would have been in decent shape. Then go get Marcus Morris at the TDL and I really felt this team would have been damn near complete....at least for this season. There would not have been many weaknesses.

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I'm still scratching my head as to why we didn't just re-sign Mejri as nothing more than insurance for games like this.
I loved Mejri as a "break glass in case of emergency" player. He would bang bodies around.

Boban is a waste of a roster spot
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Boban is good in mid-game situations to spell other bigs for a few minutes and provide some mis-matches.

He is not suitable for closing situations where action and intensity picks up and more rim protection is required. In the old NBA when big low post centers (Shaq, Ewing, Moses, Hakeem, etc...) were the goto guys then maybe a guy like Boban would make some sense, but nowadays those types of players are not the primary goto closing options.

This is just complete garbage and purely conjecture. Did you even watch the game? Did you not see in the few minutes he played how he blocked the guy going in for a layup? He followed that up about 30 seconds later with a practically flat-footed rebound put-back for a score. Very few people drive the rim when he's in there, and as a result, he doesn't have the number of blocks people would expect. But make no mistake, just because his analytics don't reflect numbers you'd like to see does not mean he's not a rim protector. The guy is a 7'4" oak tree with a huge wing span standing in front of the rim. You're really going to take the position that he's not a rim protector? LMFAO!

End of game scenarios, you NEED defensive paint presence and rebounding. So what if Boban isn't the first guy down the floor on a fast break? At the end of the game, you play defense and get the rebound if there is one. No fast break needed here. No sprinting required if you've got the lead. If you don't have the lead, you either call a timeout or push the ball down the court to see about getting a quick shot off. Yeah, maybe Boban doesn't get back as quickly as you would like in this scenario, but I'll trade this scenario all day long with the one where he isn't in the game, and the other team gets a layup or a put-back off an offensive rebound and the Mavs have ZERO chance of winning.

This ridiculous line of thinking would have put Prime Shaq on the bench for situational work because the guy couldn't shoot FT's, much less 3-pt shots. That's just plain stupid imo. 3 or 4 guys who can shoot 3's is plenty to have on the court. Yeah, I know the numbers and #AnalyticsFTW, but don't discount versatility and balance. The way the game is played in the closing minutes is very different than the way the first 45 or so are played. There is a world of difference in the shots available.

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