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Old 03-02-2020, 10:18 PM   #121
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Who says they don't try this shit in practice constantly? You act like Rick is a little league coach who just can't think as big as you.
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practice

So they went through practices and decided MKG with DFS would work at 4/5 or MKG with Kleber would work

But practices that linked up WCS with KP or Boban with Klebef wouldn't work

Yeah that sounds about right.....
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Who says they don't try this shit in practice constantly? You act like Rick is a little league coach who just can't think as big as you.
I agree with you. Carlisle is one of only six active coaches who has won an NBA title. I think he knows a little about basketball
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Yeah, but if it sucks in practice, it's gonna suck even worse in a game.
If it didn't suck with Powell, I highly doubt it'd suck with WCS. RC just loves to play favorites tbh
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Old 03-02-2020, 10:22 PM   #125
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Holy shit! What just happened? Mavs are still in it!
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We have the best offense in the league. Is that enough proof?
If the "best offense in the league" is constantly losing games vs the likes of the bulls does that even mean anything? The mavs organization has been drinking the moreyball koolaid way too much lately tbh and it's getting tiring
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Come on Luka, you can get that step back 3 anytime. Lazy.

Oh well, at least they fought til the end.
I might be in the minority on here but it seems like luka has not been that great in 4th qtrs this year as opposed to his rookie year

Maybe it's just me but I seem to recall him taking over games more often last year in the 4th

I'm not sure something just seems different this year
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Y’all really gotta let this go. Luckily the 8 seed is so far behind or we wouldn’t have a cushion to make playoffs.
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Please say that the refs say that Luka got fouled by the Bulls player on that pass. That'd be hilarious.
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Old 03-02-2020, 10:29 PM   #130
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I might be in the minority on here but it seems like luka has not been that great in 4th qtrs this year as opposed to his rookie year

Maybe it's just me but I seem to recall him taking over games more often last year in the 4th

I'm not sure something just seems different this year
No. You're absolutely right. He was a stone-cold killer last year at the end of games. I have no idea where that Luka has been this year. He's rarely shown up imo - not that he hasn't been very good, but he was spectacularly electric last year at the close.
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Had a chance there at the end. Could have used some of that Luka Magic.
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If Luka had made that... I would have been so happy! You have no clue.
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Also I wonder why he didn't follow through a bit more. That shot really isn't that hard for someone who practices it. I used to hit those all the time.

People called me Dirk when I played, but I was really more like Luka.
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Also I wonder why he didn't follow through a bit more. That shot really isn't that hard for someone who practices it. I used to hit those all the time.

People called me Dirk when I played, but I was really more like Luka.
It was online, but short, so I'd say fatigue and legs are why it was short.

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We have the best offense in the league. Is that enough proof?
Seems like it's always humming for 3 qtrs and then fall apart in the 4th

So no it's not enough proof

That #1 offense self destructs late in the games especially vs good defensive teams yet we got people still saying mavs have the best offense

This is like the equivalent of a #1 Nfl offense based on yards but they stall in the redzone time and time again

The Phoenix Suns used to have a blistering offense for years and guess what that got them in the playoffs when teams locked down on defense
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Seems like it's always humming for 3 qtrs and then fall apart in the 4th

So no it's not enough proof

That #1 offense self destructs late in the games especially vs good defensive teams yet we got people still saying mavs have the best offense

This is like the equivalent of a #1 Nfl offense based on yards but they stall in the redzone time and time again

The Phoenix Suns used to have a blistering offense for years and guess what that got them in the playoffs when teams locked down on defense

Offensive possessions down the stretch in close games bear little resemblance to the looks a team gets the first 3 1/2 quarters. Come playoff time, when you are no longer facing garbage teams, things get that much more difficult.
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Nice to see THJ hit that big 3 at the end. That's the first he's hit that I can think of this year in that situation.
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Y’all really gotta let this go. Luckily the 8 seed is so far behind or we wouldn’t have a cushion to make playoffs.
Haha

Trust me I didn't let that go

As mentioned that #1 offens ranking is decieving because we are so sub par vs good teams or late in games

We hardly look anything like a top rated offense

It's as if we run up stats vs bad teams and then when a playoff team comes along we look pedestrian at best

The Clippers and Lakers get physical with us and our offense goes south so I'm not buying into empty stats

I'd rather win games 110-102 as opposed to losing games 125-220

I'll sacrafice some offense for defense to help actually win games that matter
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Offensive possessions down the stretch in close games bear little resemblance to the looks a team gets the first 3 1/2 quarters. Come playoff time, when you are no longer facing garbage teams, things get that much more difficult.
And that's why ALL young teams have a hard time in their first playoffs. Then they learn and get better

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Seems like it's always humming for 3 qtrs and then fall apart in the 4th

So no it's not enough proof

That #1 offense self destructs late in the games especially vs good defensive teams yet we got people still saying mavs have the best offense

This is like the equivalent of a #1 Nfl offense based on yards but they stall in the redzone time and time again

The Phoenix Suns used to have a blistering offense for years and guess what that got them in the playoffs when teams locked down on defense
They say we have the best offense because we still do regardless if it self destructs late in the 4th. Thats what the numbers show. It’s really not like the NFL example because we are putting up points. That’s why we have the number 1 rated offense.
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We hardly look anything like a top rated offense
Without KP on the floor? You don't say...
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DEFENSE cannot be skipped in the NBA. Defense with or without youth will work. No defense doesn't work. NBA history is littered with examples of this. Phoenix has already been mentioned. The Mavs #1 offensive rating is misleading. Their defense is a mess, and it hasn't gotten better as the season has progressed. I'll just leave it at that. Yes, injuries are an issue, but look at who is misisng.... DP, Curry, Brunson - all defensive liabilities. Obviously, KP is the big one, and I think the reason the Mavs play better with KP while Luka is absent vs Luka with KP's absence comes down to defense. Mavs are a better team comparatively with KP only vs Luka only. The fact that Luka is younger is incidental imo.

Edit: Obviously, KP's absence was HUGE. I hope he needed the rest and it did him some good because the Mavs record when they try and rest players against bad teams this season has really sucked from what I can remember.

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Or Curry.
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Nice to see THJ hit that big 3 at the end. That's the first he's hit that I can think of this year in that situation.
It all comes down to execution at the end -- THJ could, Luka couldn't (missing clutch FTs for the loss). These are the growing pains that young team have to work through -- we're still not firing on all cylinders at the same time.
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They say we have the best offense because we still do regardless if it self destructs late in the 4th. Thats what the numbers show. It’s really not like the NFL example because we are putting up points. That’s why we have the number 1 rated offense.
Sure, it's a meaningless distinction though. It goes out of the window the moment we face a good team and it completely crumbles in the 4th even vs bad teams.

We just lost to a 20-40 team without their 2 best players who have probably the worst coach in the league. I don't care if it was a b2b and we were shorthanded, we still are twice as good as them. Where was the #1 offense in the league then?

This team needs some balance and structure. Fuck this moreyball bullshit tbh.
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Or Curry.
Oh yeah, not having the Western Conference Player of the Week and the best FT shooter in the league out on the floor might change the complexion of your offense. Especially at the end of games.
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Mavs have been so good for so long that they forget how many years of growing pains we had.

Finley-Nash-Dirk in 1999 - .380 record, missed the playoffs
Finley-Nash-Dirk in 2000 - .488 record, missed the playoffs
Finley-Nash-Dirk in 2001 - .646 record, lost in second round (beat a weak Utah team in 5-game series)
Finley-Nash-Dirk in 2002 - .695 record, lost in second round again (swept Wolves in 3 games)

We had a big three including Dirk. It still took until his third year for us to even have a winning record. We're already 12 games over .500 in Doncic's second year and people are whining so incessantly, it's honestly hurting my desire to even post on D-M.com.
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Oh yeah, not having the Western Conference Player of the Week and the best FT shooter in the league out on the floor might change the complexion of your offense. Especially at the end of games.

The spacing was terrible tonight because we were without our 1st (Curry), 3rd (Brunson) and 4th (Porzingis) best 3pt shooters.

Curry shot 60% from three in Feb
THJ shot 44.4% from three in Feb
Brunson shot 44% from three in Feb
KP shot 40% from three in Feb

Those were our only 40% shooters from three. Tonight we had only one of the four.
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It all comes down to execution at the end -- THJ could, Luka couldn't (missing clutch FTs for the loss). These are the growing pains that young team have to work through -- we're still not firing on all cylinders at the same time.
I hope you're right about the growing pains, but I don't remember Luka having these issues closing games last year which Dallas41 has also noticed. He's not the same, cold-blooded assassin this year it seems. What do you think? Do you notice a difference?

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Mavs have been so good for so long that they forget how many years of growing pains we had.

Finley-Nash-Dirk in 1999 - .380 record, missed the playoffs
Finley-Nash-Dirk in 2000 - .488 record, missed the playoffs
Finley-Nash-Dirk in 2001 - .646 record, lost in second round (beat a weak Utah team in 5-game series)
Finley-Nash-Dirk in 2002 - .695 record, lost in second round again (swept Wolves in 3 games)
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We had a big three including Dirk. It still took until his third year for us to even have a winning record. We're already 12 games over .500 in Doncic's second year and people are whining so incessantly, it's honestly hurting my desire to even post on D-M.com.
Those were also very bad defensive teams, so it's not like it was just youth, but I get what your saying. Yes, continuity and playing and growing together should produce great synergy moving forward. I don't think anybody disagrees with that, but the issues aren't all just "youth."

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Those were also very bad defensive teams, so it's not like it was just youth.
Those Nelson teams:

amazing offense
terrible defense
average/below-average rebounding
unable to close out games

Doesn't sound a bit like this team this year. Nope, not one bit. Not a single thing.
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Those Nelson teams:

amazing offense
terrible defense
average/below-average rebounding
unable to close out games

Doesn't sound a bit like this team this year. Nope, not one bit. Not a single thing.
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Without KP on the floor? You don't say...
Come on man

I'm a huge KP fan but even with him we have struggled mightily in 4th qtrs and vs good defensive teams

Our offense is always hit or miss in crunch time and most of this year it's been missing in action late in games

The mavs can roll up points on anyone for 3 qtrs but every one knows in the 4th qtr when defenses tighten up that #1 offense goes out the window

A prime example where those numbers are meaningless is OKC

They don't look sexy on paper like the mavs when it comes to offensive rating

But OKC has one of the best crunch time offenses in the NBA and they play late game defense.

My point is I'd rather be more balanced as opposed to having a #1 offense that goes out the window if you can't finish games off.

At some point you got to justify that #1 offense rating by sustaining success when the chips are on the line

A 1st round matchup with the clippers would be a rude awakening for people who keep hyping up this offense being #1 rated.

We will quickly turn into turds offensively vs that type of defense.

This offense is smoke and mirrors IMO....

I'm not familiar with the Warriors offensive ranking doing their prime years but that was a legit top offense the mavs offense I just don't buy into it because it falls apart too much when it's winning time.
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Those Nelson teams:

amazing offense
terrible defense
average/below-average rebounding
unable to close out games

Doesn't sound a bit like this team this year. Nope, not one bit. Not a single thing.
And sadly the offensive weapons couldn't take us to the promise land until we finally started putting defenders around those guys.

It's not a coincidence that the 06 and 11 teams both played defense and had flexible defenders in which we utiliazed to sacrafice some offense.

Both teams had lineups that could have went heavy offensively but neither teams would have reached the finals without defensive bigs (Dampier/Diop), (Chandler/Haywood) and legit defensive wings (Howard/Harris) or (Marion/Stevenson).
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And sadly the offensive weapons couldn't take us to the promise land until we finally started putting defenders around those guys.

It's not a coincidence that the 06 and 11 teams both played defense and had flexible defenders in which we utiliazed to sacrafice some offense.

Both teams had lineups that could have went heavy offensively but neither teams would have reached the finals without defensive bigs (Dampier/Diop), (Chandler/Haywood) and legit defensive wings (Howard/Harris) or (Marion/Stevenson).
And it took a number of years to get those defenders. For some reason some posters think we can just magically say "here are the defenders you need" and then we'll be a contender in our first year

Whats wrong with enjoying the ride? Maybe the shocks are bad, the transmission doesn't work right in 4th gear and the brakes suck but we have the basic chassis and engine of an amazing car
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And it took a number of years to get those defenders. For some reason some posters think we can just magically say "here are the defenders you need" and then we'll be a contender in our first year

Whats wrong with enjoying the ride? Maybe the shocks are bad, the transmission doesn't work right in 4th gear and the brakes suck but we have the basic chassis and engine of an amazing car
What's wrong with expecting better utilization of the talent on the roster? Yeah, the brakes may suck on the car, but what if you've got a serviceable set of rotors and brake pads in the back seat? Why wouldn't you use them? Just because you may not win the Indy 500 with them, doesn't mean that the car won't run a lot better in most conditions using those available parts. There's nothing magical about it. It's just making better use of the available parts, and that's really what most of the complaints are about. Yeah, RC wants a formula one race car, but hey, if you've got a stock car, then drive what you have to the best of your ability and get the most out of it.

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And it took a number of years to get those defenders. For some reason some posters think we can just magically say "here are the defenders you need" and then we'll be a contender in our first year

Whats wrong with enjoying the ride? Maybe the shocks are bad, the transmission doesn't work right in 4th gear and the brakes suck but we have the basic chassis and engine of an amazing car
I think we have the bigs already

IMO KP, Kleber and WCS is a nice trio up front i just think we have come up short in terms of getting them some sort of playing time in tandem a little more often

The wing defenders are a little more difficult and I agree that will take more time as DFS is our only real legit defender amongst the wing players

Hopefully this summer we can finally get closer to fixing that issue
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