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Old 08-20-2018, 06:34 PM   #361
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Here's the thing: Kidd's sprinting speed was really good (above average), but that wouldn't mean anything if he couldn't dribble. He had excellent handles and was one of the most dangerous guys in the open court and even beat faster PGs up the court because of his excellent handles and high drive. Doesn't matter if you can run fast if you can't keep the dribble alive while you do it. Even the threat of his fast break changed the defense and it made him dangerous, even when he couldn't hit the three and just like Doncic, teams didn't just have to predict where he was going, but also where his teammates were because he was just as adept at the pass.

Kidd's lateral quickness (side to side) was BELOW average at the combine, which should have been a red flag for his defense and yet basketball is so much more about intelligence, teamwork, prediction, and quick mental decision making-- all of which Kidd is superb at. We all know Kidd was perhaps the best defensive guard in the league and is up there with Gary Payton as best defensive PG ever. Maybe his raw athleticism wasn't there, but they aren't a great measure of the total player. Kidd was not a below average defender like his measurements may have implied. He was one of the best of all time.

Kidd also had excellent height (6'4") for his position and good strength.

Now back to Doncic, which is what the whole thread is (supposedly) about. Doncic has good height and decent strength. He also has those immeasurable underlying skills that Kidd had. The fact that Kidd didn't have the entire physical package makes me optimistic about Doncic's ability to be successful on both ends of the court.
Very nicely put and exactly how I see it.

I think the Mavs FO feels that Doncic is a pure natural basketball player like Kidd and that is why they moved up to get him. The guy probably slept with a basketball most of his childhood and seems to have a passion for the game much like Kidd and Dirk.

The point has been in the Doncic comparison to Kidd is that he has many of the attributes as Kidd in terms of skills, talent, BBIQ, BB savvy competitiveness, assertiveness, leadership, charisma and overall love for the game. I don't think athleticism is a big part of his game like many other former and current stars lack as well.

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Old 08-26-2018, 01:43 PM   #362
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Old 08-26-2018, 02:05 PM   #363
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Good stuff on athleticism. Here's why it might be a bit overblown.

How 'athletic' was Steve Nash? Or is Steven Curry?

They all strike me as players who are maybe MORE 'athletic' with a basketball than without.

Went to a small college for undergrad. Played some football there. They had some of the drill times of the basketball players posted in the locker room. One of the PG's ran lines faster dribbling than he did without the ball. Strange...but some people are like that.

Fun fact...the coach of that small college basketball team? Kelvin Sampson
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Old 08-26-2018, 10:37 PM   #364
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Old 08-30-2018, 02:47 PM   #366
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Kobe is 6'6", which makes Luka appear to be a full 6'8" or so in this pic. Sure, his hair makes him look taller, but he's also leaning in... Definitely taller than his listed 6'7".


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Na, i dont think he is a legit 6-8. Sure he leans in and with the hair its hard to compare but chinline etc isnt that much different

i think he is a solid 6-7. Or a small 6-8 if Kobe is a big 6-6

Kuzma was 6-9.5 at the draft combine:

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Kobe is 6'6", which makes Luka appear to be a full 6'8" or so in this pic. Sure, his hair makes him look taller, but he's also leaning in... Definitely taller than his listed 6'7".




Was his height ever in question? He was measured at 68 in Europe where they measure the players without shoes (unlike in the US). Dirk has said hes a legit 68 too.
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It was on the same day, same moment....check the basketballs in the background, identical...
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Where is the kidd had avg athletecism coming from? Young kidd was one of the most athletic pgs in league history before rose/Westbrook/dsj. Am I the only one that watched young kidd????
As others said, it's the lateral quickness thing. That's what is being talked about with Luka too. Kidd could run in a straight line really fast, was really strong, and had great hands.

Luka looks a lot like Kidd to me. Here he is playing defense the same way Kidd did. Lots of effort (the biggest part of defense) and high BBIQ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfadVYUZQSE
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As others said, it's the lateral quickness thing. That's what is being talked about with Luka too. Kidd could run in a straight line really fast, was really strong, and had great hands.

Luka looks a lot like Kidd to me. Here he is playing defense the same way Kidd did. Lots of effort (the biggest part of defense) and high BBIQ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfadVYUZQSE
Good video. I'll take the guy with average athleticism but a lot of effort and IQ, over a guy who has all the physical tools, but doesn't have a clue how to play basketball nor has any desire to become great. Obviously it would be great if Luka had elite athletic tools too, but then he'd pretty much be a perfect prospect, like LeBron... And if that were the case, he wouldn't have been available for the Mavs.

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Luka is already preparing for next season! Loookin good!

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Hey, if all of the players and coaches are drooling at the mouth, then it's definitely easier to joint he hype train.

The big key seems to be the fact that he doesn't get jittery under pressure.
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Hey, if all of the players and coaches are drooling at the mouth, then it's definitely easier to joint he hype train.

The big key seems to be the fact that he doesn't get jittery under pressure.
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If he can carry the weight of the hype and be himself we will be a much improved team.
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The big key seems to be the fact that he doesn't get jittery under pressure.

Why should he get jittery under pressure in some NBA regular season game with the typical cupcake atmosphere when he had no problems with the pressure and atmosphere in some crazy euroleague games.

Again, he allready played as opponent in such places:
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Yeah, I see no reason why Doncic would get "jittery" in the NBA -- the kid has 3 years of professional experience under his belt, having already won under the most pressure he could possibly face in EuroLeague. He's ready for this.
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Well it's still foreign to him and No league out there is as elite as the NBA. This is the place to be and the biggest stage, with the best players, and with the most critics. It's not far fetched to me that even Euro MVP could have jitters.
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jitters like this woman? Still one of my favorite videos....

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Anyone recognizing the player?!

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Anyone recognizing the player?!
These videos really mostly don't do the experience justice - thousands of people shouting in unison around you just triggers some instincts.
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Breakdown of Luka's defense from a year ago. Never seems to be a lack of Luka findings...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HldJQv6vDQY
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Breakdown of Luka's defense from a year ago. Never seems to be a lack of Luka findings...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HldJQv6vDQY
One of the really positive things about Luka fully understanding and being outstanding already in the PnR is that he can anticipate cuts and movement off ball defensively. I think he will be fine at SF vs most guys because they won't be able to kill him in ISO. It will be interesting to see his matchup vs GS for example, i can see him taking some time chasing Thompson around off the ball instead of trying to stay in front of Durant.

He has trouble staying in front of pg's and really quick slashers, as do most players his size aside from Lebron and a cpl others. Teams will no doubt try to screen and pnr to get him in an iso vs a quick guard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEihWlwtrTw
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Breakdown of Luka's defense from a year ago. Never seems to be a lack of Luka findings...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HldJQv6vDQY
Impressive stuff. Thanks for sharing. Cant wait to see Luka after a year or two in an NBA conditioning regimen. Cant wait to see him period!
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