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Unless there are some cuts or trades this is who we are

POINT GUARDS (3)
Dennis Smith Jr.
J.J. Barea
Jalen Brunson

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Luka Doncic
Yogi Ferrell
Ryan Broekhoff

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Harrison Barnes
Wesley Matthews
Dorian Finney-Smith

POWER FORWARDS (3)
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Maximilian Kleber
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That team is going to be a .600 team









(If they were in the East)
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Still feel like there's a trade brewing... We have a lot of talented/promising players, but the roster construction still seems off.
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Unless there are some cuts or trades this is who we are

POINT GUARDS (3)
Dennis Smith Jr.
J.J. Barea
Jalen Brunson

SHOOTING GUARDS (3)
Luka Doncic
Yogi Ferrell
Ryan Broekhoff

SMALL FORWARDS (3)
Harrison Barnes
Wesley Matthews
Dorian Finney-Smith

POWER FORWARDS (3)
Dirk Nowitzki
Maximilian Kleber
Ray Spalding

CENTERS (3)
DeAndre Jordan
Dwight Powell
Salah Mejri

2 WAY CONTRACTS
Johnathan Motley
Kostas Antetokounmpo
I would think Broekhoff is a small forward more often here. Especially with all the midges we have.
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Still feel like there's a trade brewing... We have a lot of talented/promising players, but the roster construction still seems off.
I does seem like something could be coming at some point but may not be sooner than later. But the construction definitely seems off.
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I could see moving on from DFS if we got a capable power forward. I think the 4 is our weakest position (sorry Dirk)
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I would think Broekhoff is a small forward more often here. Especially with all the midges we have.
Yeah Matthews will probably play more SG this season (only about 1/3 of his minutes were there last year) while Broekhadeau will be exclusively a forward if he even plays many games. Dude is slow for an NBA center and Rick prefers speed to height at the guard spots
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I could see moving on from DFS if we got a capable power forward. I think the 4 is our weakest position (sorry Dirk)
I agree. I was shocked they pulled him from summer league. Maybe he looked really improved in the workouts etc and then slipped in the chaos of summer league. Wild stab but it doesnt make any sense to me. He showed zero improvement to me in sl
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I agree with the people that say the roster construction looks a little off. For as much as people complain about the number of guards we have, it really looks like we're heavier on bigs than anything.

DAJ/Dirk/Powell/Mejri/Kleber/Spalding/Kostas/Motley all can play the 5. DAJ and Mejri are obviously centers only. Dirk can be hidden on defense I suppose and play some 4. Powell completely sucked until we moved him to the 5 and quit trying to make him a stretch 4 so it would be odd to see him go back there. Kleber and Spalding can shoot well enough to be 4s I guess, but I wouldn't say it's ideal. I don't think Motley (if he's still here) or Kostas will see a single minute on the regular roster unless there is an injury. And we know Carlisle likes putting playmakers on the floor and go small with lineups with guys like DFS and Barnes at the 4. He also said he's excited to try Doncic at 4.

Really what we're severely lacking in is wings. But I'm very curious to see how Rick juggles the minutes if the roster stands as is.
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I agree with the people that say the roster construction looks a little off. For as much as people complain about the number of guards we have, it really looks like we're heavier on bigs than anything.

DAJ/Dirk/Powell/Mejri/Kleber/Spalding/Kostas/Motley all can play the 5. DAJ and Mejri are obviously centers only. Dirk can be hidden on defense I suppose and play some 4. Powell completely sucked until we moved him to the 5 and quit trying to make him a stretch 4 so it would be odd to see him go back there. Kleber and Spalding can shoot well enough to be 4s I guess, but I wouldn't say it's ideal. I don't think Motley (if he's still here) or Kostas will see a single minute on the regular roster unless there is an injury. And we know Carlisle likes putting playmakers on the floor and go small with lineups with guys like DFS and Barnes at the 4. He also said he's excited to try Doncic at 4.

Really what we're severely lacking in is wings. But I'm very curious to see how Rick juggles the minutes if the roster stands as is.
We lack balance. Overload of smalls and bigs and 1 legit verified wing in Barnes.
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I'm not saying that our roster moves are over, but I disagree that the team is so out of balance. Barnes is not the only legit 3 on the team. Doncic SHOULD be more than adequate there. I don't want him starting there, but he should be ok. As Rick likes smaller line ups at times, Mathews will slip down there too.
At PF, I think Kleber is getting a short shrift. He played well enough to start, or back up Dirk. I would start Dirk most games, with DAJ on the floor giving backing and maybe some help from Doncic if necessary. I think the main thing with this team, is that we want BETTER players than what we seem to have at SF and PF. But the positions are covered.
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I'm not saying that our roster moves are over, but I disagree that the team is so out of balance. Barnes is not the only legit 3 on the team. Doncic SHOULD be more than adequate there. I don't want him starting there, but he should be ok. As Rick likes smaller line ups at times, Mathews will slip down there too.
At PF, I think Kleber is getting a short shrift. He played well enough to start, or back up Dirk. I would start Dirk most games, with DAJ on the floor giving backing and maybe some help from Doncic if necessary. I think the main thing with this team, is that we want BETTER players than what we seem to have at SF and PF. But the positions are covered.
Yes Doncic will be fine at the 3, but he will be on the floor a lot with Barnes. Isn't wanting or really needing better players basically the same as not having that position covered?
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This is kind of how I see the minute distribution with our current roster:

DJ (32) | Salah (2)
Dirk (22) | Powel (24) | Kleber (12)
HB (32) | DFS
Doncic (30) | Wes (30)
DSJ (32) | JJB (22) | Brunson (4)

DJ, HB, and DSJ should all get their full minute game burn around 32 but I gave "rookie" Doncic a couple of minutes less for coach talk on the sideline about "this is how we do it in the NBA".
The Old Man drops down to 22 minutes this year and is a quick sub out after his first 4-6 minute burn with DP replacing him.

JJB, Web, and Powell are our heavy minute guys off the bench.
Kleber picks up minutes with DJ or Dirk playing C, or we go with double-PF of Powell and Kleber. I still consider Powell a PF even if he technically plays the C position.
Bruson and Salah pick up spare minutes where they can.

Offense will heavily rely on DSJ, Doncic and HB (to a lesser extent) to develop and playmake for others while Dirk and JJB fill in where needed. That's five true offensive players to spread out through the game so no reason to ever have less than 2 on the court at any time and 3 the majority of the time.

Defense will be improved when Dirk isn't on the court. DJ, Powell, and HB give us good size. Wes will pick up opposing teams main offensive weapon. Quick guards will still be a problem with DSJ our only "fast" player.

Rebounding should hopefully be improved beyond just what DJ brings. Powell and HB should be playing more in their true positions. Doncic gives us height and DSJ can be aggressive on the boards also.

Assists should be flying all over the place with DJ, Powell, and HB rolling to the basket and Doncic, DSJ, JJB, and Dirk creating open shots for others.

Fast breaks should be plenty with a high amount of defensive rebounds (DJ, Powell, HB, Doncic) while at least 1 or 2 take off.

Three point shooting is definitely our biggest weakness. Hopefully it improves with better offensive creators (Doncic vs Wes) and year-over-year improvement (DP?). Spacing will be very key.

All in all, I'm super excited about this lineup. We aren't the GSW but should most definitely be pushing to be a legit playoff team.

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This is kind of how I see the minute distribution with our current roster:

DJ (32) | Salah (2)
Dirk (22) | Powel (24) | Kleber (12)
HB (32) | DFS
Doncic (30) | Wes (30)
DSJ (32) | JJB (22) | Brunson (4)

DJ, HB, and DSJ should all get their full minute game burn around 32 but I gave "rookie" Doncic a couple of minutes less for coach talk on the sideline about "this is how we do it in the NBA".
The Old Man drops down to 22 minutes this year and is a quick sub out after his first 4-6 minute burn with DP replacing him.

JJB, Web, and Powell are our heavy minute guys off the bench.
Kleber picks up minutes with DJ or Dirk playing C, or we go with double-PF of Powell and Kleber. I still consider Powell a PF even if he technically plays the C position.
Bruson and Salah pick up spare minutes where they can.

Offense will heavily rely on DSJ, Doncic and HB (to a lesser extent) to develop and playmake for others while Dirk and JJB fill in where needed. That's five true offensive players to spread out through the game so no reason to ever have less than 2 on the court at any time and 3 the majority of the time.

Defense will be improved when Dirk isn't on the court. DJ, Powell, and HB give us good size. Wes will pick up opposing teams main offensive weapon. Quick guards will still be a problem with DSJ our only "fast" player.

Rebounding should hopefully be improved beyond just what DJ brings. Powell and HB should be playing more in their true positions. Doncic gives us height and DSJ can be aggressive on the boards also.

Assists should be flying all over the place with DJ, Powell, and HB rolling to the basket and Doncic, DSJ, JJB, and Dirk creating open shots for others.

Fast breaks should be plenty with a high amount of defensive rebounds (DJ, Powell, HB, Doncic) while at least 1 or 2 take off.

Three point shooting is definitely our biggest weakness. Hopefully it improves with better offensive creators (Doncic vs Wes) and year-over-year improvement (DP?). Spacing will be very key.

All in all, I'm super excited about this lineup. We aren't the GSW but should most definitely be pushing to be a legit playoff team.
No minutes for Broekhoff?
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I can see Broekhoff getting the same opportunities as Maxi and McBuckets. It will be up to him to keep himself and grow into the rotation.
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I kinda doubt that the 27 year old Antoine Broekadeau will get many significant minutes

Then again, Kleber was 25 and came in like a seasoned vet.
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OK, Broekhoff or Broekadeau? This guy right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Broekhoff. And he's not officially on the roster yet according to http://www.basketballinsiders.com/da...s-team-salary/

If he plays solid defense and rains threes, he could steal minutes from Wes which would make him more tradable.

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OK, Broekhoff or Broekadeau? This guy right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Broekhoff. And he's not officially on the roster yet according to http://www.basketballinsiders.com/da...s-team-salary/

If he plays solid defense and rains threes, he could steal minutes from Wes which would make him more tradable.
Who the hell is Broekadeau? We signed Ryan Broekhoff from Australia...

@ShamsCharania: Guard Ryan Broekhoff has agreed to a two-year deal with the Dallas Mavericks, league sources tell Yahoo. Guaranteed in first season.
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I'm guessing "Broekadeau" is a play on Antoine Rigaudeau, who came over from Europe as a pretty accomplished veteran but absolutely sucked for us before he got hurt.
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Yes. I'm pretty stoked about that.

If we get a replacement who's 6'7" or so then I'm happy with the Brunson selection because we will be down to 3 point guard sized players
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Broekhoff has a nice shot, it looks the same everytime and he gets it off quick. He could be Mcbuckets 2.0 here. He seems fairly quick at 6'7, but not a highflyer
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My guess at depth chart/ minute distribution:

DeAndre (30) - Powell (25) - Salah
Dirk (22) - Kleber (10) - Spalding
Barnes (34) - Broekhoff (10) - DFS
Doncic (30) - Wes (20) - Harris
DSJ (32) - JJB (17) - Brunson (10)


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My guess at depth chart/ minute distribution:

DeAndre (30) - Powell (25) - Salah
Dirk (22) - Kleber (10) - Spalding
Barnes (34) - Broekhoff (10) - DFS
Doncic (30) - Wes (20) - Harris
DSJ (32) - JJB (17) - Brunson (10)


If you're underlined you're squeezed out.
If Harris signs here he is going to get min. I'd imagine Wes goes to the 3 for some minutes there. Don't see Broekhoff in the regular rotation unless he plays really well.
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I would rather have a young potential than Harris. I love the guy but we are doing him a solid, not us, at this point by signing him.
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No way Rick can resist playing Wes for less than 30
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Who do you think will be our 13 active players?

It’s fun to think of our 16 guys and think of the seventeenth, but we only get to have 13 active
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Who do you think will be our 12 active players?

Its fun to think of our 16 guys and think of the seventeenth, but we only get to have 12 active
We can actually have 13 active players. So as the roster stands right at this moment (14 + 2 two way) the most likely scenario IMO is Spalding being our inactive guy while Mot and Kostas play in the G-League.

If we sign someone like Harris though I could see Brunson joining Spalding on the inactive list if he struggles. Or Broekhoff if his game doesn't translate to the NBA.
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No point in making Spalding inactive. He has rotation money and what's the use of getting Harris when we are paying guys to sit and waste time and talent.
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No point in making Spalding inactive. He has rotation money and what's the use of getting Harris when we are paying guys to sit and waste time and talent.
Spalding is making the minimum, that's not rotation money. And he's a rookie. He's exactly the guy who would spend most of the season inactive.

And I don't get your point about Harris. No matter who we sign, Harris or otherwise, someone has to be inactive because we can only have 13 active at once. So by definition someone will be getting paid to sit. Unless you're suggesting we don't sign anyone and roll with 14 on the roster.

Rookies and minimum guys are always lowest on the pecking order so you can bet those are the guys that will be sitting unless they blow away their competition and win the rotation spot.
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My guess at depth chart/ minute distribution:



DeAndre (30) - Powell (25) - Salah

Dirk (22) - Kleber (10) - Spalding

Barnes (34) - Broekhoff (10) - DFS

Doncic (30) - Wes (20) - Harris

DSJ (32) - JJB (17) - Brunson (10)





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2-way: Kostas/Motley
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Spalding is making the minimum, that's not rotation money. And he's a rookie. He's exactly the guy who would spend most of the season inactive.

And I don't get your point about Harris. No matter who we sign, Harris or otherwise, someone has to be inactive because we can only have 13 active at once. So by definition someone will be getting paid to sit. Unless you're suggesting we don't sign anyone and roll with 14 on the roster.

Rookies and minimum guys are always lowest on the pecking order so you can bet those are the guys that will be sitting unless they blow away their competition and win the rotation spot.
We dont need Harris. I'd rather be giving chances to the younger guys.

Kleber didn't sit. Spalding looks every bit as good if not better. Its gonna take some time to find out what some of the new guys have but I'm out on the old school and nostslgia guys, we aren't contenders.
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Spalding would have to really prove himself before he takes over Kleber's minutes. However, given Kleber's age, it is possible.

As far as signing or not signing Harris, it comes down to viable options. If you say just to sign some young guy because we might be able to develop him, then IMO that's a waste. At this point, you are talking about someone who wasn't drafted and hasn't been picked up by any other teams. Yes, we could get lucky but chances are highly unlikely. Isn't that basically what we've done with Kostas already?

Instead, this year should be entirely about DSJ and Doncic. I want the best possible guys around them to establish a long term culture that we can build on. If that means going with Dirk/Wes/JJB/Harris, then do it because those guys know exactly what it takes night in, night out, and off-season to be in this league for 20 years. I consider what they pass on to DSJ and Doncic more valuable than some young player that might be able to scrap out a few minutes over the next several years.

That said, if we don't sign Harris and they find that possible diamond in the rough, I won't be butt-hurt over it either.
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Honestly, I would also hope that we sign JET so that he can retire a Maverick. I don't necessarily want him playing, but an end of the season contract so he can get one last applause in a Mavericks jersey would be great.
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Funny, but if JET had anything left at all, he makes more sense to me than Harris. Harris is not a great shooter, and JET was. We have 3 point guards, we need points. Oh well.
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I'm shocked. I thought Dallas would keep that roster spot open to rotate various 10 day contract guys. Might find another Yogi (but 6'7" this time)
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I'm shocked. I thought Dallas would keep that roster spot open to rotate various 10 day contract guys. Might find another Yogi (but 6'7" this time)
To be fair that's not a new tweet. Townsend tweeted that the day Yogi agree to sign with Sacramento. I'd still say Harris is the odds on favorite but it's possible they are still looking around at options.
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I could see moving on from DFS if we got a capable power forward. I think the 4 is our weakest position (sorry Dirk)
Dirk would probably agree with you.
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