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Old 12-04-2019, 09:03 AM   #81
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Barkley made some interesting comments about KP before the game.

Feels as though even when luka is out the game and KP is in the mavs still don't run the offense through KP

Also the TNT crew believes KP should up in that 22-24 ppg range but his shots are off coming from a stationary spot on the 3pt line

Everyone seems confused as to how RC is using KP

They don't seem to think KP is being put in the possible situation on offense to excel
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Possible short term solution....start Jackson and Seth with Luka/DFS/KP
Jackson is more consistent and gives you better defense than Hardaway.
Seth is simply our best pure shooter.

And I'd like to see Broek get a shot at some legit PT.
Jackson does not play better defense than Tim. Not in the last 7 games or so at least. Tim has been super solid on D.
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Even if you think that, they are spot on with the KP assessment. It's not just them, it appears to be everyone else too.
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Luka was trying to force feed KP early on in the pick and roll and it just led to turnovers. I can't for the life of me understand why they can't run a simple pick and roll together. THAT is certainly cause for some concern because it's basically basketball 101.
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Luka was trying to force feed KP early on in the pick and roll and it just led to turnovers. I can't for the life of me understand why they can't run a simple pick and roll together. THAT is certainly cause for some concern because it's basically basketball 101.
Yes, but what more do you need to see? It's KP. Hopefully he will get it, but he is lacking in some fundamentals that because of his great shooting and athleticism at that size he has been able to get away without the basics.
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Yes, but what more do you need to see? It's KP. Hopefully he will get it, but he is lacking in some fundamentals that because of his great shooting and athleticism at that size he has been able to get away without the basics.
It could be KP, but Luka was trying to slice risky passes that got easily stolen. I suppose it could be on KP to create more space in the Pnr. Seems like more of a chemistry thing. SHOULD be remedied, but man they are still an ocean apart with regards where we hope they will eventually be. I'm patient and I know it will take time, but we can only analyze what we currently see which isn't good right now.
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It could be KP, but Luka was trying to slice risky passes that got easily stolen. I suppose it could be on KP to create more space in the Pnr. Seems like more of a chemistry thing. SHOULD be remedied, but man they are still an ocean apart with regards where we hope they will eventually be. I'm patient and I know it will take time, but we can only analyze what we currently see which isn't good right now.
No the PnR is not good at all with KP involved. There were 2 that we have to give credit to Ingram for just taking, his intuition and his long ass arms. He just read it and reached out and grabbed the ball. I can't blame KP on the ones that never get to him and in order for Luka to do what he does he is going to throw some risky passes. It all plays a role in his threat offensively. The problem is KP though and his weak initiation of not only the PnR but his positioning in general. He gets pushed off his spot by smaller/lighter guys, low or mid post/block and takes too many jumpshots.
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Barkley made some interesting comments about KP before the game.

Feels as though even when luka is out the game and KP is in the mavs still don't run the offense through KP

Also the TNT crew believes KP should up in that 22-24 ppg range but his shots are off coming from a stationary spot on the 3pt line

Everyone seems confused as to how RC is using KP

They don't seem to think KP is being put in the possible situation on offense to excel
Just my opinion, but I think they're giving KP every chance to play the way he feels comfortable. He has just been ineffective for spells.

Barkley was blathering on and on about posting him up, which I think is a terrible idea, for multiple reasons. I do hope he regains his mid-range iso form soon, though, and I also hope the two man game with Luka gets better.
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Even if you think that, they are spot on with the KP assessment. It's not just them, it appears to be everyone else too.
They might've correctly identified that KP's fit in the system isn't quite working yet, but I think their suggestion of how to fix it (10-15 low post opportunities for a guy who doesn't know how to play in the post and literally never has) was a bit knuckle-dragger-from-the-90's.

The also said with a straight face that Luka only looks to pass when he penetrates, as if he hasn't been one of the most frequent and effective paint shooters this season.

I love those dudes. They're entertaining. But, it was clear they haven't seen the Mavs play very much this season.
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No the PnR is not good at all with KP involved. There were 2 that we have to give credit to Ingram for just taking, his intuition and his long ass arms. He just read it and reached out and grabbed the ball. I can't blame KP on the ones that never get to him and in order for Luka to do what he does he is going to throw some risky passes. It all plays a role in his threat offensively. The problem is KP though and his weak initiation of not only the PnR but his positioning in general. He gets pushed off his spot by smaller/lighter guys, low or mid post/block and takes too many jumpshots.
Totally agree with this. If this is the part of the TNT analysis (post game, not pregame) that you were talking about in the other post, then I agree.

KP just seems timid and clumsy in general right now. But, the flashes of what can be shine through every once in a while. I think he, Luka and Carlisle will figure this out, and I think they'll do it by the playoffs, but it might take that long.
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Jackson does not play better defense than Tim. Not in the last 7 games or so at least. Tim has been super solid on D.
This. AND, as shocking as this is, Seth seems to struggle and get forgotten when on the court with Luka.

I think we assumed he could thrive as a catch and shoot specialist (I know I did) but he seems to do better when he has the freedom to get into a rhythm off the dribble every now and again.

I think the starting lineup is DONE. I've seen enough. Luka/Hardaway/DFS/KP/Powell is pretty damn effective on both sides of the ball.

The problem is the Curry/Wright/Brunson/Barea log jam this alteration to the plan creates.

Where I think carlisle is going wrong is that he's STILL trying to force sections of the game where Curry/Wright initiate the offense. IMHO, it has been clear since about game 3 that Wright is NOT a PG. Yeah, we love his defense, but when Luka sits, it's IMPERATIVE that either Brunson or Barea is in the game.

He's still trying to figure out who the odd man out will be in that logjam. The way they're set up, I think it needs to be either Curry, Wright or Jackson, depending on matchups (two of them on nights when Boban is needed).

It's clear the roster isn't fitting together in the way they envisioned, but hey, at least they're finding combos to DO fit together and add up to wins!
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They might've correctly identified that KP's fit in the system isn't quite working yet, but I think their suggestion of how to fix it (10-15 low post opportunities for a guy who doesn't know how to play in the post and literally never has) was a bit knuckle-dragger-from-the-90's.

The also said with a straight face that Luka only looks to pass when he penetrates, as if he hasn't been one of the most frequent and effective paint shooters this season.

I love those dudes. They're entertaining. But, it was clear they haven't seen the Mavs play very much this season.
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Totally agree with this. If this is the part of the TNT analysis (post game, not pregame) that you were talking about in the other post, then I agree.

KP just seems timid and clumsy in general right now. But, the flashes of what can be shine through every once in a while. I think he, Luka and Carlisle will figure this out, and I think they'll do it by the playoffs, but it might take that long.
I'm not going to say that either TNT crew should be anyone's GO TO for player and coaching breakdown, but the clips that Kenny and Charles showed of KP isolated where he gets pushed off the high post, moved out of the mid block and can't even back down a smaller/lighter defender to work anything more than an awkward turnaround jumper is what I'm talking about.

I am right there with you and those who realize he has never been a "low post guy" and has never been a highly effective PnR guy either. It may just simply be as I mentioned earlier somewhere, he lacks polished fundamentals that typical bigs develop because he has such a good jumper and is athletic enough to make it work without.

I don't doubt he will strengthen his weaknesses and add much more of this stuff we have concerns about into his repertoire. When that will be? Who knows.
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This. AND, as shocking as this is, Seth seems to struggle and get forgotten when on the court with Luka.

I think we assumed he could thrive as a catch and shoot specialist (I know I did) but he seems to do better when he has the freedom to get into a rhythm off the dribble every now and again.

I think the starting lineup is DONE. I've seen enough. Luka/Hardaway/DFS/KP/Powell is pretty damn effective on both sides of the ball.

The problem is the Curry/Wright/Brunson/Barea log jam this alteration to the plan creates.

Where I think carlisle is going wrong is that he's STILL trying to force sections of the game where Curry/Wright initiate the offense. IMHO, it has been clear since about game 3 that Wright is NOT a PG. Yeah, we love his defense, but when Luka sits, it's IMPERATIVE that either Brunson or Barea is in the game.

He's still trying to figure out who the odd man out will be in that logjam. The way they're set up, I think it needs to be either Curry, Wright or Jackson, depending on matchups (two of them on nights when Boban is needed).

It's clear the roster isn't fitting together in the way they envisioned, but hey, at least they're finding combos to DO fit together and add up to wins!
I'm still not ready to write Wright off as not a PG, but yes I do think it's most effective to have Brunson or JJ in with him. With as many capable guards as we have, it's fine that he can play the 2 guard or even wing and also be a very nice distributor. He wasn't relied on as a PG in the SLU with Luka either so as long as he keeps playing great(?) defense and working the passing lanes he fits well alongside either back up guard. I'm glad I don't have to try and sort it out.
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