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Except Capela is a RFA -- all the reasons you like him are exactly why Houston won't let him walk... He only has a $7m cap hold and they can go over the cap to re-sign him.

If you're gonna swing for the fences with the draft and free agency this summer, why not go with Porter/Boogie and pray to the Basketball Gods that both can regain their former glory? Seems like a more realist35ic scenario than trying to pry away Capela.
They CAN resign him, but do they want to go into the tax to re-sign him and Paul just to be the same team that lost in the WCF?

Paul 35mill
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Kinda like how the FO pumped up Ntilikina before last year's draft, then literally cheered when NYK picked him because they wanted DSJ all along.
Because they thought they wont get him at #9. There were strong rumours of Dennis going to the Magic, i think he worked out even twice for them.

They had Smith over Ntilikina and cheered when the Knicks took the player who was lower on their board
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They CAN resign him, but do they want to go into the tax to re-sign him and Paul just to be the same team that lost in the WCF?

Paul 35mill
Harden 30mill
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Nene 3.6mill
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Cap at 101million
Tax at 123million
Don't forget Anderson's 20 million this upcoming season and next.

Still, good teams/gms find a way to make the numbers work. I see almost no chance at all that they give up Capela. A Paul injury away from the finals is still better than not having a really, really good center who kills it in the pnr with Harden.
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They CAN resign him, but do they want to go into the tax to re-sign him and Paul just to be the same team that lost in the WCF?

Paul 35mill
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Tucker 8mill
Nene 3.6mill
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Oops, missed Anderson. If they re-sign Capela and sign Paul to max, then they are already 12mill over the cap
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They had Smith over Ntilikina and cheered when the Knicks took the player who was lower on their board
Right, and the reason Ntilikina went over Dennis was because the Mavs hyped Frank up all summer -- it was misdirection... And I'm wondering if the "leaks" about the Mavs considering trading down due of concerns with Porter's health are also misdirection.
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They CAN resign him, but do they want to go into the tax to re-sign him and Paul just to be the same team that lost in the WCF?
What other choice do they have? If they let Capela walk because they're afraid of gong into the luxury tax then they might as well blow up the team and start over -- it's not like they'll be left with any other options to improve with their current cap situation... And you don't just blow up a team that was a Chris Paul injury away from beating the Warriors and going to the Finals. Capela isn't going anywhere.
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What other choice do they have? If they let Capela walk because they're afraid of gong into the luxury tax then they might as well blow up the team and start over -- it's not like they'll be left with any other options to improve with their current cap situation... And you don't just blow up a team that was a Chris Paul injury away from beating the Warriors and going to the Finals. Capela isn't going anywhere.
Maybe if Paul was healthy and the Warriors still had their injuries. No way the Rockets beat a fully healthy Warriors.
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Maybe if Paul was healthy and the Warriors still had their injuries. No way the Rockets beat a fully healthy Warriors.
No way? They took them to game 7 without CP and had a nice lead and momentum until the refs botched 2 clear obvious fouls on Harden taking 3's, then shortly after follow that up with calling a foul on Hou for fouling a GS 3pt shooter. Their momentum was stunned, then the throw in 3's GS started getting did them in.
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I just don't get why some people are so hell bent on not drafting a big man in THE big man class of many, many years.

Right now, our starting pf and center is Dwight Powell and Dirk Nowitzki. And Powell is one of the team's best players which says a lot more about the team than it does Powell.

I want Bamba or Bagley, but honestly, Carter jr actually fits next to Powell really well if I'm being objective looking at the starting lineup. You absolutely have to consider fit along with best player available, but man, Carter fits right now. He is a guy that if the Mavs want him, then they could likely trade back.

I know we all want the next Durant/James, but we sooo need a big man as well.
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No way? They took them to game 7 without CP and had a nice lead and momentum until the refs botched 2 clear obvious fouls on Harden taking 3's, then shortly after follow that up with calling a foul on Hou for fouling a GS 3pt shooter. Their momentum was stunned, then the throw in 3's GS started getting did them in.
They obviously weren't so clear and obvious. Just desserts, boy who cried wolf etc. as Harden's flopping and flailing in these instances caused the refs to miss the actual contact- Bell got his wrist slightly on the follow thru and Klay(?)got him on the body, if I remember right. If your entire existence is predicated on pushing off and then initiating contact followed by head-snap, arm flail, leg kick, scream and then begging- then you're essentially as much con-artist as basketball player. A bad actor.

Yes Durant and others do it too, and I'm no fan of Durant. They had to put a new rule in place to stop his stupid rip thru move. But there is no other player whose sole reason for existing is to dupe the refs and cheat the rules. He has two moves: the traveling step back 3 and the one I outlined above. Thats it. He's also a good passer, with the caveat that that is made possible thanks to his cheat code and gullible and or kowtowed refs instructed by the league to allow for star players to flourish.

Without this enabling of his cheating he's less MVP and more 6th man of the year type. Look at his playoff stats and epic failures. Without his crutch he's just a really crafty scorer, playmaker. Without his beard he's just a boring dead-eyed dickhead
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They obviously weren't so clear and obvious. Just desserts, boy who cried wolf etc. as Harden's flopping and flailing in these instances caused the refs to miss the actual contact- Bell got his wrist slightly on the follow thru and Klay(?)got him on the body, if I remember right. If your entire existence is predicated on pushing off and then initiating contact followed by head-snap, arm flail, leg kick, scream and then begging- then you're essentially as much con-artist as basketball player. A bad actor.

Yes Durant and others do it too, and I'm no fan of Durant. They had to put a new rule in place to stop his stupid rip thru move. But there is no other player whose sole reason for existing is to dupe the refs and cheat the rules. He has two moves: the traveling step back 3 and the one I outlined above. Thats it. He's also a good passer, with the caveat that that is made possible thanks to his cheat code and gullible and or kowtowed refs instructed by the league to allow for star players to flourish.

Without this enabling of his cheating he's less MVP and more 6th man of the year type. Look at his playoff stats and epic failures. Without his crutch he's just a really crafty scorer, playmaker. Without his beard he's just a boring dead-eyed dickhead
Flopping and yelling under the rim is the way of the league. Wade got us with it in 06 as well as poor officiating. Regardless of what you think of these jackasses, the calls should have been made and there were plenty of them.

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I just don't get why some people are so hell bent on not drafting a big man in THE big man class of many, many years.

Right now, our starting pf and center is Dwight Powell and Dirk Nowitzki. And Powell is one of the team's best players which says a lot more about the team than it does Powell.

I want Bamba or Bagley, but honestly, Carter jr actually fits next to Powell really well if I'm being objective looking at the starting lineup. You absolutely have to consider fit along with best player available, but man, Carter fits right now. He is a guy that if the Mavs want him, then they could likely trade back.

I know we all want the next Durant/James, but we sooo need a big man as well.

Not that I disagree with you, I'm just curious what you think of Motley...where do you see him in a perfect world where he has realized his potential?
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What players are allowed to get away with offensively has severely negatively impacted how much I watch and enjoy the league. I still watch some..but not nearly as much as I did in the past.
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Unless Durant or Curry shot 25 free throws by themselves in a game followed by another 21 I'm not going to compare the refs now to 06. And Harden got one of those calls iirc in game 7 which gave him a 4 point play. They lost because they missed a record amount of 3's. They will continue to lose as long as their best player is more focused on cheap fouls rather than actually hitting big shots. He shot 16% from 3 the final 3 games, and still jacked up 12 of them in game 7. He's a guy who can at will get to the paint and it was a win or go home game. Yet his go to move was still to try and draw a cheap call for a bailout 3 points. That's weak. Refs will give the benefit of most calls to Harden but when he's shooting like ass and is clearly wanting a bailout you can't seriously say he should have gotten both those calls. I'll give one of them but the cheap one where he barely hit backboard clearly having no interest in seizing the moment... hell no. Extremely weak. They will never beat golden state with a weak pos as their best player.
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Not that I disagree with you, I'm just curious what you think of Motley...where do you see him in a perfect world where he has realized his potential?
I think Motley is an excellent change of pace backup center. I haven't seen enough of him to know if he is starter material, but the guy always seems to produce. He isn't the rim protecting/shot blocker I think the team needs, but he seems to do everything else pretty well. Has a nice mid range shot that is almost all but dead in today's game.
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Maybe if Paul was healthy and the Warriors still had their injuries. No way the Rockets beat a fully healthy Warriors.
You can argue that all day, but the fact remains that Houston is a lot closer to beating GSW with Capela than without... If they're so worried about going into the luxury tax that they would let him walk, then they should just blow up their roster because obviously their owner isn't serious about contending for a ring... But I see zero indication that that's true, so I fully expect Houston to match any offer that he gets.
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We need the next Dirk far more than we need the next Chandler -- a guy with franchise player potential should be priority #1... But I'm okay with drafting someone like Bamba if all those guys are taken.
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You can argue that all day, but the fact remains that Houston is a lot closer to beating GSW with Capela than without... If they're so worried about going into the luxury tax that they would let him walk, then they should just blow up their roster because obviously their owner isn't serious about contending for a ring... But I see zero indication that that's true, so I fully expect Houston to match any offer that he gets.
Suns were closer to that championship with Tom Chambers than without, too. Suns and Harden’s Rockets are you g to end with the same number of rings

But yeah, they have a big decision to make. They spend bigly to bump up against Warriors, hoping the Warriors blow it up or they can blow it up. The third option is to let Capela go and draft someone like Metu and try to develop/draft guys
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My weird gut feeling sways between Carter and Porter. I don't think we take Bamba or Doncic.
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Not going to happen... God things get silly the last days heading into the draft. We have a top 5 pick...
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Not going to happen... God things get silly the last days heading into the draft. We have a top 5 pick...
It's all poker face right now, but Cuban's quote from good ole Fish is at least worth discussing for fun...

Yeah, so if Im working out on the elliptical Ill be watching video, or Ill just lay in bed. Ive got my iPad pro, and Im just using Synergy Sports. And, Im just going through literally I havent done (Luka) Doncic yet but (Marvin) Bagley, (Jaren) Jackson, (Wendell) Carter ... whatever theyve played in college Ive watched every single possession so far. Not just some highlights. Every single possession.

He mentions only big men with Carter right in there. Every possession.
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It's all poker face right now, but Cuban's quote from good ole Fish is at least worth discussing for fun...

“Yeah, so if I’m working out on the elliptical I’ll be watching video, or I’ll just lay in bed. I’ve got my iPad pro, and I’m just using Synergy Sports. And, I’m just going through literally— I haven’t done (Luka) Doncic yet —but (Marvin) Bagley, (Jaren) Jackson, (Wendell) Carter ... whatever they’ve played in college I’ve watched every single possession so far. Not just some highlights. Every single possession.”

He mentions only big men with Carter right in there. Every possession.
Lies, lies, lies. He’s not going to tell the world which players he’s most interested in right before the draft... Also, doesn’t he pay someone else to do that? Do we not have a scouting department?
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Can Michael Porter Jr. help rescue Mavs from their scoring woes?
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While playing for the Raiders, Porter's coach was none other than former Portland Trailblazers star Brandon Roy, who's NBA career was derailed by injury (a legitimate concern Porter shares that we will get to later). Under Roy's tutelage, Porter averaged 36.2 points and 13.6 boards, en route to a perfect 29-0 record, and a state title.
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Standing 6-10.75 and weighing in at 215 pounds, and boasting a 7-0.25 wingspan, his physical profile is outstanding. With almost the same height and length as Giannis Antetokounmpo, Porter has the skills to potentially guard four different positions on the floor, and maybe even some small-ball 5s if he develops some more aggression, and adds some additional muscle to his frame.
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In game situations, Porter never lets a bad play affect him on either end of the court. If he gets torched as a defender, he has no problem recovering on the other end and hitting a big shot. Likewise, if he gives up a turnover, or shoots a bad shot, his effort on the defensive end doesn't shift, which is a rare trait in young players.
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The Dallas Mavericks need a lot of help of the offensive end of the floor, and Porter is one of the few offensive-minded players in this draft who can come in and fit seamlessly into any offensive system that he is asked to. He is the kind of player whom, as soon as he sets foot on an NBA court, could be asked to be the team's primary scorer, and he could do it in a variety of ways. With Dallas, and alongside scorers like Harrison Barnes and Dennis Smith Jr., Porter wouldn't necessarily have to be the alpha scorer from day one, and would be given more time to develop that part of his game as the season went on, with the idea that, by the end of the 2018-19 season, he is to the Mavericks what Jayson Tatum was to the Celtics. If you watch Tatum in this year's playoffs, that's an exciting proposition.
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Lame ass hype article with HS stats.
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Lies, lies, lies. Hes not going to tell the world which players hes most interested in right before the draft... Also, doesnt he pay someone else to do that? Do we not have a scouting department?
One would hope so. Then again, they've drafted about two or three viable NBA players in the last 20 or so years...
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Yeah, it's the curious case of MPJ this draft as you have no clue where he'll be picked. I see him going anywhere from 4-14 with the way mocks are going, although I'm still weary of the BSPN stuff. Even Woj can be corrupted by them.
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Lame ass hype article with HS stats.
You say that as if I quoted the entire article -- the fact that he was coached by Brandon Roy in high school was the notable part, not his stats... The article went beyond the numbers anyway, from strengths/weaknesses that you can see on tape, to how/why he would fit the Mavs... But it's pretty clear that you only read the first line I quoted and didn't bother to click the link, otherwise you'd know it was far from being a "hype article."

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Obviously, the big knock against Porter is the injury history with his back. Ask anyone with a back injury, and they might tell you that potential for lingering issues is a real thing. The idea of this has the potential to scare off a number of teams picking in the top 8-10 picks, and given Porter's unwillingness to participate in the combine, and stinginess with his medical details, you can see why.
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Porter has a few knocks against him as well, most notable among those being his physicality. There are too many cases of Porter either being pushed off of his spots or denied in the lane when he should be finishing with strength. As a result, he tends to avoid taking contact when he can, settling for a more difficult shot than he should. He also has been known to be pushed around a bit of the defensive end of the floor by more physical players as well, which could be a big concern at the professional level. Porter's struggles as an elite ball-handler in halfcourt situations can also be attributed to his struggles in getting to rim, which also leads the some of those bad shots we mentioned before.
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Some of the most lofty of those comparisons, are to none other than Kevin Durant, who has been arguably the second-best player in the world over the last 10 years. The Porter-to-Durant comparison seems ridiculous. Durant is taller, much more athletic, and was a much more versatile and proven scorer coming out of college.
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Not willing to participate in the combine and not willing to give up his medicals means a hard pass for the Mavs and a lot of other teams IMO. We'll see if he eases up on that as the draft nears, but it's not worth if it he is hiding things.
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Not willing to participate in the combine and not willing to give up his medicals means a hard pass for the Mavs and a lot of other teams IMO. We'll see if he eases up on that as the draft nears, but it's not worth if it he is hiding things.
Yeah, I have no interest in Porter unless the Mavs medical staff clears him. I think that's a given... But he did get his surgery in Dallas from a surgeon who works with the Cowboys, so I wonder if the Mavs already have an idea of what's up with his health. It wouldn't shock me at all to learn that he withheld his medicals so that nobody picks him before Dallas... It also wouldn't shock me to learn that his back is still messed up and he'll never be the same player again... But I'll keep projecting his upside until the docs say otherwise.
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Yeah, I have no interest in Porter unless the Mavs medical staff clears him. I think that's a given... But he did get his surgery in Dallas from a surgeon who works with the Cowboys, so I wonder if the Mavs already have an idea of what's up with his health. It wouldn't shock me at all to learn that he withheld his medicals so that nobody picks him before Dallas... It also wouldn't shock me to learn that his back is still messed up and he'll never be the same player again... But I'll keep projecting his upside until the docs say otherwise.
I can definitely see this being true. Wouldn't be surprised if we give/ gave him a promise and/or that he's selectively shopping his medical records around.
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I can definitely see this being true. Wouldn't be surprised if we give/ gave him a promise and/or that he's selectively shopping his medical records around.
My feeling, based on zero actual evidence/information, is that this scenario is more wishing vs. probable. I consider it highly unlikely that this is the case.

More than likely, he is simply not in a place where he can confidently disclose.
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Hot rumor Celtics want the Mavs number 5 pick. I have heard Jalen Brown plus the 27th pick in the draft plus next years Celtics number one .

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Sorry, had to merge your thread with this one -- that news is 3 days old now... Twitter has been savaging Fish for the last couple days over his suggestion that the Mavs could counter by asking for Tatum instead of Brown... This rumor has run its cycle.
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