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Old 11-10-2021, 09:51 PM   #41
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geez how the heck did the Bulls manage to land Ball, Caruso and DeRozan

while the Mavs ended up with freaking Sterling Brown and Reggie Bullock (smh)

Just seems like a failure off season when you consider the Mavs should have been the more aggressive team/FO
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Outscored by 28 since we had the lead in the second quarter
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This team just doesn’t even have fire. We don’t have half the talent, but we’re not even playing with passion.
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welp this is looking like another poor showing vs a .500 or better team

Mavs might not be able to beat good teams with this starting lineup
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This game is too depressing. Without Powell and co making threes, it would be a 30-40pt loss. With our low energy and shitty play, this one was never in question.
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We may not win any of the next 10
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Powell and KP have got to be traded
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How tf does Really Caulley Get mins but EO can't. I'll bet my house he's better
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Powell and KP have got to be traded
i just think they need to move Powell out of the starting lineup

And Luka just seems like he doesn't really care right now

But the Mavs FO deserves blame when you look at the Bulls and how they surrounded Lavine in less than a year sense the trade deadline
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i just think they need to move Powell out of the starting lineup

And Luka just seems like he doesn't really care right now

But the Mavs FO deserves blame when you look at the Bulls and how they surrounded Lavine in less than a year sense the trade deadline
Yeah I honestly believe Luka is indifferent and doesnít care. He knows theyíre not competing. Itís year 4 and nothing has gotten better yet.
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How tf does Really Caulley Get mins but EO can't. I'll bet my house he's better
Yeah but WCS really isn't playing minutes

he gets 6-7 minutes sometimes less

the biggest issue is Powell playing 20+ minutes a night that impacts the game more than WCS minutes

I mean they aren't losing games because of guy who plays 6 minutes right?
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Powell is playing 20 because Kleber is out

And honestly Powell is having a hell of a game. 12pts,4reb,2blocks. 83% and 67% on threes.

This loss isn't on Powell. It's on the Mavs inability to have any energy, starting with our supposed star Luka who only wants to play in the fourth.

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That's the problem he doesn't rebound nor does he provide any rim protection. Vuc shot like 37% coming into this game but because the Mavs have no interior defense or good rebounders he probably had his best of the game of the season.

Plus I don't think a line up of Powell, KP, Luka and THJ could stop anyone on defense which is the team always looks sluggish with that unit
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Welp looks like we aren't going to beat any legit teams until something gets shaken up

But I still feel as though the FO mainly Cuban just loves our core guys because they are great in the locker room

We'll come out and look great vs the Spurs (Fool's Gold)

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That's the problem he doesn't rebound nor does he provide any rim protection. Vuc shot like 37% coming into this game but because the Mavs have no interior defense or good rebounders he probably had his best of the game of the season.

Plus I don't think a line up of Powell, KP, Luka and THJ could stop anyone on defense which is the team always looks sluggish with that unit
No one on the Mavs could stop the Bulls. No one.

Powell isnít the issue. Mavs having not a single big who can defend is the issue. Kleber is injured and plays a good game about half the time. Powell cans rebound or defend. WCS is a mental midget who gets bullied even in the 5% chance he is actually in position. Brown is so deep in the doghouse that he wonít play and Boban is ridiculously slow and bad defending. There ainít any lineup change thatís goi g to fix this bullshit.
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Yeah but WCS really isn't playing minutes

he gets 6-7 minutes sometimes less

the biggest issue is Powell playing 20+ minutes a night that impacts the game more than WCS minutes

I mean they aren't losing games because of guy who plays 6 minutes right?
Hes playing more than that. Nah, they aren't losing games just because of that but you got a guy who clearly isn't contributing anything at any aspect and another guy who is just fn sitting there. He's not at G League either...just stuck in purgatory.

EO can play. Who knows to what level but does anyone really have expectations of WCS to have much untapped potential left? Pine his ass and let's start tapping on EO, see what he's got.
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It's a miracle we only lost by ten. I'm not overly upset as this was going to be a tough game to win.

But if you look at what is happening with Lillard and Portland, then you know that's Luka in the future if we don't get him help. There is no excusing his poor play, but guys that good eventually get sick of having to do literally everything. Even Dirk got help.
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And the entire starting lineup has had a crap plus/minus all season. It's time for coach to change something there.
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FO needs to do something about the S5 more than the coach. You can't bleed a turnip. We are almost always going to have at least a rotations issue with any coach. I wish EO would get into the rotation but other than that, I have no issue with Kidd.

Malone, Spo, Snyder...any of the top coaches would also be limited due to our roster. Add in KP injuries, Maxis injury and it's an uphill battle to turn this sht into a gourmet sandwich.
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No one on the Mavs could stop the Bulls. No one.

Powell isn’t the issue. Mavs having not a single big who can defend is the issue. Kleber is injured and plays a good game about half the time. Powell cans rebound or defend. WCS is a mental midget who gets bullied even in the 5% chance he is actually in position. Brown is so deep in the doghouse that he won’t play and Boban is ridiculously slow and bad defending. There ain’t any lineup change that’s goi g to fix this bullshit.
A great center can do about 5 good things.
Unfortunately we have 5 centers that can only do one thing.
Maxi is our only versatile big and he isn’t even a true center.

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A great center can do about 5 good things.
Unfortunately we have 5 centers that can only do one thing.
Maxi is our only versatile big and he isnít even a true center.
You are damm right. With the salary of WCS, Powell and Boban you could have Randle, it's so depressing..

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An unfortunate stat is that the Mavs most notable win thus far is against a 6-6 Toronto Raptors team. Every one else that they've beaten currently has a losing record.
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No one on the Mavs could stop the Bulls. No one.

Powell isnít the issue. Mavs having not a single big who can defend is the issue. Kleber is injured and plays a good game about half the time. Powell cans rebound or defend. WCS is a mental midget who gets bullied even in the 5% chance he is actually in position. Brown is so deep in the doghouse that he wonít play and Boban is ridiculously slow and bad defending. There ainít any lineup change thatís goi g to fix this bullshit.
Here's something i just read about Powell from an article and this is why dude needs to be removed from the starting lineup

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Jason Kidd is adamant about playing Luka Doncic with Dorian Finney-Smith and Dwight Powell. Those combinations might seem straightforward since all three players start for Dallas. But thereís more to it.

Finney-Smith is averaging 31.2 minutes this season. Nearly 29 come with Doncic also on the floor. Almost all of Powellís 23.7 minutes also come with Doncic. Why is this significant? Because Finney-Smith and Powell offer little value without Luka.

Powell is a rim-runner largely dependent on getting easy chances and lobs at the rim. That seemingly makes him a good match with Doncic, who excels at keeping opposing bigs in limbo when he gets into the paint. But the issue is that Powell mostly just serves as a body otherwise and boasts a shaky track record defensively.
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Powell is a nice guy and all but he isnít a true big. Unfortunately, KP is outside most of the time and heís 7í3. Why not play Moses Brown some meaningful minutes and see what he can do. Honestly, there really isnít an offensive system except one on one plays. Luka canít create much. As for Kidd, I donít like the fact that he sits down during games. He should be up and down the sidelines coaching. He isnít here to watch the game.

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Jason Kidd is adamant about playing Luka Doncic with Dorian Finney-Smith and Dwight Powell. Those combinations might seem straightforward since all three players start for Dallas. But thereís more to it.

Finney-Smith is averaging 31.2 minutes this season. Nearly 29 come with Doncic also on the floor. Almost all of Powellís 23.7 minutes also come with Doncic. Why is this significant? Because Finney-Smith and Powell offer little value without Luka.

Powell is a rim-runner largely dependent on getting easy chances and lobs at the rim. That seemingly makes him a good match with Doncic, who excels at keeping opposing bigs in limbo when he gets into the paint. But the issue is that Powell mostly just serves as a body otherwise and boasts a shaky track record defensively.
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The easy move is to replace Maxi with DP once he comes back healthy. I halfway expect a bit of a shakeup along those lines. I think we've all probably seen enough of Willie for a while. Are there many people that wouldn't rather lose a game with MO Brown and EO taking some of DP and Willie's mins than watching the same roster from 3 years ago?

I guess I'm at my first crossroad with this coaching group. I'm not surprised at all that it's about rotation minutes.
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Seems like WCS did better with Rick.

I thought heíd be playing a lot more loose this season. But he looks like a ghost out there.
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Powell is playing 20 because Kleber is out

And honestly Powell is having a hell of a game. 12pts,4reb,2blocks. 83% and 67% on threes.

This loss isn't on Powell. It's on the Mavs inability to have any energy, starting with our supposed star Luka who only wants to play in the fourth.
This whole horrible first quarter starts this season is on Kidd playing Powell. He is not a starting caliber player and is a huge net negative. Let's not act like Powell is good.
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Yes if wondering why Luka's +/- is so horrendous - DFS and Powell who share the court with Luka are not good at basketball. Unfortunately for the Mavs that is the sport they play.
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Old 11-12-2021, 10:29 AM   #71
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We need less Powell and less DFS. I would see if a contender will throw us a late 1st rounder for DFS.

We need more Bullock, Ntlikina, Omoruyi, and Kleber. Depressing that our roster is basically Luka and a bunch of 8th men role players.
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geez how the heck did the Bulls manage to land Ball, Caruso and DeRozan

while the Mavs ended up with freaking Sterling Brown and Reggie Bullock (smh)

Just seems like a failure off season when you consider the Mavs should have been the more aggressive team/FO
Yup, failed offseason, another wasted season for Luka. Did not even go shopping for high end, we were never in the mix for those 3. Now Kidd is adamant about giving Powell too much run at the 5.
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Yup, failed offseason, another wasted season for Luka. Did not even go shopping for high end, we were never in the mix for those 3. Now Kidd is adamant about giving Powell too much run at the 5.
We were never in the mix because we didn't even try.

Even bottom pickings Oubre Jr is playing well and could easily be our 3rd or 4th best player.
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We were never in the mix because we didn't even try.

Even bottom pickings Oubre Jr is playing well and could easily be our 3rd or 4th best player.
Yup, what does that tell your team....especially Luka, we don't even try.

Oubre had a crappy year in Golden State, he was like 0-20 on 3's to start last season.
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while the Mavs ended up with freaking Sterling Brown and Reggie Bullock (smh)

Just seems like a failure off season when you consider the Mavs should have been the more aggressive team/FO
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Yeah I honestly believe Luka is indifferent and doesn’t care. He knows they’re not competing. It’s year 4 and nothing has gotten better yet.
This 100%. Yeah, he got a big arse contract, but his situation has got to be discouraging for a high level competitor. He really had no other option than to sign the extension due to the numbers, and I have zero confidence in the Mavs ability to make any worthwhile changes over the next several years. If you think it's bad now, just wait until JB leaves and the Mavs end up with nothing.

On the bright side, the hyperactive pomeranian will more than likely still be on the roster. HoF teammate doncha know. LOL

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Welp looks like we aren't going to beat any legit teams until something gets shaken up

But I still feel as though the FO mainly Cuban just loves our core guys because they are great in the locker room

We'll come out and look great vs the Spurs (Fool's Gold)
The Mavs have 2 problems, and they both reside with Cuban:

1. He's too close to his players, and that impacts his decision making. He needs to be emotionally detached when making assessments and changes.

2. He's not spending money to win. He spends just enough to keep the Mavs competitive which is is much easier now with Luka in order to sell tickets.

Drafting Luka was great for Cuban but not so great for Luka. Thankfully, he's young, but he's still going to waste 6 or 7 years of his career with the Mavs and their garbage owner. I feel as bad for him as I can for anybody who has a $200+ million contract. Money isn't everything.

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