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Old 12-01-2020, 05:56 PM   #1
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb79kuiuqwg


regarding Luka after playing pick up with him when Luka was 16:
"he's going to be the first pick in the draft" ("i still think he should have been")

around 6 minute mark:
Any similarities to Shawn Marion?

"definitely I see some similarities
he's a little bigger than i am, and taller... uh, and stronger... and probably jumps a lot higher"

LOL! Fun interview - seems like a good guy - excited to see how he meshes.
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He's going to make a lot of Mavs fans happy.
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Don't know his play yet ... But seems like a really nice guy! That's a huge plus.
I personally really like how Dallas is not just working towards getting great players but great team mates too.
It's not just that the future is bright for Dallas, the now is bright as well!
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Nice writeup on Richardson on ESPN

https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/stor...ce-back-season
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I found the Delon Wright bit interesting, too.
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I can't wait to see his impact on defense and being a secondary playmaker to help out Luka...
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I can't wait to see his impact on defense and being a secondary playmaker to help out Luka...
Same. I really like his overall game. I'm expecting him to be the 3rd best player and a fan favorite.

I'm still in disbelief that we got him and #36 for Seth Curry when Covington went for 2 firsts. I know Seth has a good contract but it's still crazy to me.
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Same. I really like his overall game. I'm expecting him to be the 3rd best player and a fan favorite.

I'm still in disbelief that we got him and #36 for Seth Curry when Covington went for 2 firsts. I know Seth has a good contract but it's still crazy to me.
Absolutely agree. Heís also much healthier than Covington and Seth. I like that we sold high on Seth. Honestly, if we had given them Seth and pick 31 I wouldnít have balked. That we got Tyler Bey attached just makes it extra groovy.

So glad we didnít overpay for Gallo, Covington or Bogi. Or Schroeder for that matter. Even though I like all of them.
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I can't wait to see his impact on defense and being a secondary playmaker to help out Luka...
He was quite good in that role in Miami, easy to forget. Will be interesting to see RCís substitution patterns play out. Im wondering about Burke and Brunson both coming off the bench and how that will work.
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Thanks for posting this.

I found the Delon Wright bit interesting, too.
Casey wants the ball in Wright's hands? K.

Except when Wright had the ball in hands he had no idea what to do with it. No clue how to run a team and surprisingly not a very good ball handler either. At least not for us.
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��Josh Richardson's preseason averages ��

15.0 PPG
3.7 RPG
2.0 APG
73.3 3P%
62.5 FG%
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15.0 PPG
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In how many minutes. That helps highlight the efficiency of what he did. I'm thoroughly impressed. It looks like its minimally the Miami version of Jrich.
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He was basically cloned to be a RC player.
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offense looks great at least in terms of shooting
don't remember opportunities for him to create or be a primary ballhandler

eyeballing his defense looks at least solid - can't remember if anything more of note. anyone got vids or recollection of him on the defensive side?
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don't remember opportunities for him to create or be a primary ballhandler

eyeballing his defense looks at least solid - can't remember if anything more of note. anyone got vids or recollection of him on the defensive side?
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don't remember opportunities for him to create or be a primary ballhandler

eyeballing his defense looks at least solid - can't remember if anything more of note. anyone got vids or recollection of him on the defensive side?
He's legit on defense.

https://youtu.be/qj691U4CoTA
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He's legit on defense.

https://youtu.be/qj691U4CoTA
yeah i've seen the highlights from previous - just hadn't had the chance to see anything in his time with us yet. It was preseason and i didn't catch all of the games so just wondering if y'all had seen stuff.
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Who would have thought Richardson would shoot 63% from the field and 73% from three

And Curry would be 38% from the field and 17% from three
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And Curry would be 38% from the field and 17% from three
I think it's just a balance thing. You still need to be able to score in today's game no matter what your defense looks like.

Plus, Mavs are full of three point guys. That will inevitably raise anyone's percentages.

I have high hopes, but I still don't think he'll average more than 15-17 ppg.
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I think it's just a balance thing. You still need to be able to score in today's game no matter what your defense looks like.

Plus, Mavs are full of three point guys. That will inevitably raise anyone's percentages.

I have high hopes, but I still don't think he'll average more than 15-17 ppg.

I'd be over-the-moon thrilled if he averages 17ppg on top of the excellent defense. A top-10 defensive guard scoring like that (assumedly on at least average efficiency) might be a $30M per year player next summer, the way potential free agents have extended ahead of next year's class. Middleton signed for about $38M per year last summer and Gordon Hayward got $30M this offseason.
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I'd be over-the-moon thrilled if he averages 17ppg on top of the excellent defense. A top-10 defensive guard scoring like that (assumedly on at least average efficiency) might be a $30M per year player next summer, the way potential free agents have extended ahead of next year's class. Middleton signed for about $38M per year last summer and Gordon Hayward got $30M this offseason.
I think that's a bit too far. 4/80 is what I'm hoping, but perhaps someone will bid higher. I know never to underestimate FA, but I'd go by what Bogdan just got.

Biggest worry would be Miami bringing him back especially after they lost Crowder.
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Richardson might just be the final piece to the puzzle.
Yeah, we will always need to fill gaps with role players but the fit seems to be so well that Richardson could very likely evolve into our 3rd option.
We'll have several months to see if that can happen, but man he seems to be gelling well into our system.
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We just needed another starter more than anything. Too many guys on the team are tweeners where you could start them but maybe they could come off the bench.

Rich is a starter through and through.
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We just needed another starter more than anything. Too many guys on the team are tweeners where you could start them but maybe they could come off the bench.

Rich is a starter through and through.
IDK what it would take to acquire A. Gordon but that would solidify the starting core imo.
Luka/JRich/?/Gordon/KP would be a nice young SL core.
Whether that "?" is DFS, THJ, Green, Hinton, Iwundu, Lee, Bey, etc...it wouldn't really matter too much with that core.

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When we get KP back, we’ll have five starting-caliber guys and that makes me happy.

Doncic/JRich/THJ/DFS/KP has a good balance of offense and defense. DFS is the only borderline guy and he still ranks 34th in production while being top 25 in defense.
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When we get KP back, we’ll have five starting-caliber guys and that makes me happy.

Doncic/JRich/THJ/DFS/KP has a good balance of offense and defense. DFS is the only borderline guy and he still ranks 34th in production while being top 25 in defense.
If you could replace DFS with Gordon trading any combination of players outside of the other 4 of the SL would you do it?

DFS/Maxi/Brunson/one of the rookies for Gordon?

And honestly I'd rather have Maxi instead of DFS in the SL with THJ and JRich.

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If you could replace DFS with Gordon trading any combination of players outside of the other 4 of the SL would you do it?

DFS/Maxi/Brunson/one of the rookies for Gordon?

And honestly, I'd rather have Maxi instead of DFS in the SL with THJ and JRich.
I'm not sure we need more offense to be honest and Gordon is not a great defender. DFS is probably the biggest borderline starter of our starting five (34th in PER at his position), but he's easily our top defender at the forward position and I could see him increasing his 3pt shooting from a very solid 38% to an incredible 40% this year.

Now if we could upgrade DFS to an even better two-way forward like OG Anunoby, I'd be so down. Maybe this offseason we can snipe him with our massive cap.
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I'm not sure we need more offense to be honest and Gordon is not a great defender. DFS is probably the biggest borderline starter of our starting five (34th in PER at his position), but he's easily our top defender at the forward position and I could see him increasing his 3pt shooting from a very solid 38% to an incredible 40% this year.

Now if we could upgrade DFS to an even better two-way forward like OG Anunoby, I'd be so down. Maybe this offseason we can snipe him with our massive cap.
I have a feeling as the season progresses and KP returns the rotations will tighten and we'll see basically a standard 9 man rotation.

KP/Powell/Maxi at 4/5
JRich/DFS/THJ at 2/3/4
Luka/Brunson/Burke at 1/2

With WCS/Johnson/Green/Lee/Boban and maybe Terry (because of shooting) as situational and getting spot minutes.

My guess is that Iwundu will be cut.

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Old 12-19-2020, 01:30 PM   #33
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I'm not sure we need more offense to be honest and Gordon is not a great defender. DFS is probably the biggest borderline starter of our starting five (34th in PER at his position), but he's easily our top defender at the forward position and I could see him increasing his 3pt shooting from a very solid 38% to an incredible 40% this year.

Now if we could upgrade DFS to an even better two-way forward like OG Anunoby, I'd be so down. Maybe this offseason we can snipe him with our massive cap.
OG would be a great get. Wayyy better than Gordon. I think we would have to offer 25m. Iím sure Toronto is prepared to offer him over 20m annually.
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I'm not sure we need more offense to be honest and Gordon is not a great defender. DFS is probably the biggest borderline starter of our starting five (34th in PER at his position), but he's easily our top defender at the forward position and I could see him increasing his 3pt shooting from a very solid 38% to an incredible 40% this year.

Now if we could upgrade DFS to an even better two-way forward like OG Anunoby, I'd be so down. Maybe this offseason we can snipe him with our massive cap.
Whoa. Idk about dfs being easily the best defender at forward. Maxi is better with the bigger wings and right now those are the ones that are in the way of a finals run. Hell Johnson is a better defender IMO, which granted is debatable. The benefit of DFS is that he is may have a tiny bit better chance keeping guards and quicker guys in front of him.
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OG would be a great get. Wayyy better than Gordon. I think we would have to offer 25m. Iím sure Toronto is prepared to offer him over 20m annually.
Man, you may be right but sheesh thats kinda steep
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If you could replace DFS with Gordon trading any combination of players outside of the other 4 of the SL would you do it?

DFS/Maxi/Brunson/one of the rookies for Gordon?

And honestly I'd rather have Maxi instead of DFS in the SL with THJ and JRich.
I've always been a fan of Gordon and think he would fit great in Dallas at the 4 next to KP.

But i will also say that i think too many Mavs fans under value DFS.

He's probably our top offensive rebounder and dude has really become a nice clutch player. I can't count how many times DFS has got a huge offensive rebound late in games for Dallas. He's made some clutch shots to even though people don't think of him as a shooter.

But to me his value is within his defensive versatility. Yes he struggled with Leonard and he struggles with bigger stronger 4's but I never feel like DFS is going to cost us any games. He actually faired much better on Paul George in last years playoffs.

He might be a borderline starter but you could say every team in the NBA has a player starting that is a borderline starter and DFS IMO could legitimately start for 15-20 teams in this league that's how far he's come since his rookie year. He never takes plays off and in way he reminds a lot of what Josh Howard used to be before Avery Johnson tried to make him a Go to scorer.

So yes the Mavs can still improve talent wise but again I don't think DFS is a guy that would cost you a playoff series just because he's a borderline starter.

I also feel like he's one of the least worries for RC when he sets lineups.

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I've always been a fan of Gordon and think he would fit great in Dallas at the 4 next to KP.

But i will also say that i think too many Mavs fans under value DFS.

He's probably our top offensive rebounder and dude has really become a nice clutch player. I can't count how many times DFS has got a huge offensive rebound late in games for Dallas. He's made some clutch shots to even though people don't think of him as a shooter.

But to me his value is within his defensive versatility. Yes he struggled with Leonard and he struggles with bigger stronger 4's but I never feel like DFS is going to cost us any games. He actually faired much better on Paul George in last years playoffs.

He might be a borderline starter but you could say every team in the NBA has a player starting that is a borderline starter and DFS IMO could legitimately start for 15-20 teams in this league that's how far he's come since his rookie year. He never takes plays off and in way he reminds a lot of what Josh Howard used to be before Avery Johnson tried to make him a Go to scorer.

So yes the Mavs can still improve talent wise but again I don't think DFS is a guy that would cost you a playoff series just because he's a borderline starter.

I also feel like he's one of the least worries for RC when he sets lineups.
No argument on DFS but in order to "get", you have to "give" and DFS's strong attributes and low salary make him one of our best (if not the best) trade asset.
I'd love to see the Mavs pull off a deal that included Johnson, our rookies and future picks to acquire Gordon to net us:

Luka/Brunson/Barea?
JRich/Burke/Lee
THJ/DFS/Iwundu
Gordon/Maxi/Powell
KP/WCS/Boban

Wishful thinking but Donnie has pulled off some bigger miracles.
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Pretty good article about J-Rich. I really like the honest and clear perspective on how teams and fans tend to overrate guys like Rich and Covington. They are system guys and have to be on the right team with the right coach.

https://basketball.realgm.com/analys...llas-Mavericks
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Pretty good article about J-Rich. I really like the honest and clear perspective on how teams and fans tend to overrate guys like Rich and Covington. They are system guys and have to be on the right team with the right coach.

https://basketball.realgm.com/analys...llas-Mavericks
I find it ironic that here we are talking about J-Rich and Covington being overrated all while we overrate clear system guys like DFS and Powell.
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I've always been a fan of Gordon and think he would fit great in Dallas at the 4 next to KP.

But i will also say that i think too many Mavs fans under value DFS.

He's probably our top offensive rebounder and dude has really become a nice clutch player. I can't count how many times DFS has got a huge offensive rebound late in games for Dallas. He's made some clutch shots to even though people don't think of him as a shooter.

But to me his value is within his defensive versatility. Yes he struggled with Leonard and he struggles with bigger stronger 4's but I never feel like DFS is going to cost us any games. He actually faired much better on Paul George in last years playoffs.

He might be a borderline starter but you could say every team in the NBA has a player starting that is a borderline starter and DFS IMO could legitimately start for 15-20 teams in this league that's how far he's come since his rookie year. He never takes plays off and in way he reminds a lot of what Josh Howard used to be before Avery Johnson tried to make him a Go to scorer.

So yes the Mavs can still improve talent wise but again I don't think DFS is a guy that would cost you a playoff series just because he's a borderline starter.

I also feel like he's one of the least worries for RC when he sets lineups.
DFS has turned himself into a solid player when two years ago he shouldn't even have been an NBA player but he's vastly overrated by mavs fans. For someone that everyone swears is a great defender we sure do get lit up by every high level guard/wing that we see. Its not just Lebron/Kawhi/KD/Giannis but even guys like D'Angelo Russell, Devin Booker, Demar Derozan, Kyle Lowry, etc are always tearing us a new one. He's not great defensively against small guards and isn't great against big wings so who exactly is he great defensively against. He has the reputation amongst mavs fans as a defensive stopper yet he doesn't stop anyone. If he's the defender everyone thinks that he is then we aren't forced to play our starting Center on Kawhi in the playoffs instead of our "lockdown wing-defender".
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