Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Go Back   Dallas-Mavs.com Forums > Mavs / NBA > Trade and Draft Board

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-29-2016, 04:13 PM   #1
Melonhead
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 5,658
Melonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant future
Default Nerlens Noel wants a trade

Anything we can offer? A shiny Dwight Powell perhaps?
__________________
Melonhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 11-29-2016, 04:26 PM   #2
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 30,086
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I have no idea what they'd want.
__________________
EricaLubarsky is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2016, 04:57 PM   #3
Thebo
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 495
Thebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to behold
Default

76ers are mainly looking for guards. I think Powell + Simba + Top10 protected first pick would get it done. Unless someone really offers something better. Mavs do not even have to take equal salary back. Simba would be their potential outlook to play behind Simmons in the future.

Personally, I would not offer anything beyond Simba + Powell, where Powell is more of a salary dump in my eyes. I am not that keen of parting ways with Simba just yet. Main reason is, that Noel had another surgery on his left knee (his ACL was on that also) and there is no reason to think his value is going to be high and my search engine already knows it:

Thebo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2016, 06:49 PM   #4
tap2390
Golden Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Enemy territory (SA)
Posts: 1,580
tap2390 has a brilliant futuretap2390 has a brilliant futuretap2390 has a brilliant futuretap2390 has a brilliant futuretap2390 has a brilliant futuretap2390 has a brilliant futuretap2390 has a brilliant futuretap2390 has a brilliant futuretap2390 has a brilliant futuretap2390 has a brilliant futuretap2390 has a brilliant future
Default

I'd go as far as Simba + Seth + 2nd round pick.
__________________
tap2390 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2016, 06:57 PM   #5
rimrocker
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,724
rimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud of
Default

Can't say I've seen a whole lot of him but what little I have seen I'm not all that impressed.
Does he have any offensive game whatsoever?
rimrocker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2016, 07:11 PM   #6
Melonhead
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 5,658
Melonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant future
Default

I havent seen anything that impressive from him, but I know there is a frequent poster who is high on Noel. NO WAY do I come off a 1st round pick. I would do a 2nd rd pick + Powell(which probably isnt enough). Im not ready to ship off Simba yet, but if it came down to him, Id have to let him go.
__________________
Melonhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2016, 08:11 PM   #7
Bryan_Wilson
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,059
Bryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rimrocker View Post
Can't say I've seen a whole lot of him but what little I have seen I'm not all that impressed.
Does he have any offensive game whatsoever?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../noelne01.html
He shoots 70% from 3ft or closer. He shoots 30% or worse from anything beyond 3ft. Id rather not trade anything for him, Sign him as a FA flyer sure. Give up assets to get him? Hard pass from me.

I'm seriously not even giving up our high 2nd for Noel.
Bryan_Wilson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2016, 08:53 PM   #8
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 30,086
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson View Post
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../noelne01.html
He shoots 70% from 3ft or closer. He shoots 30% or worse from anything beyond 3ft. Id rather not trade anything for him, Sign him as a FA flyer sure. Give up assets to get him? Hard pass from me.

I'm seriously not even giving up our high 2nd for Noel.
Yeah he seems like Powell with better rebounding but even less of a jumper. He has some primitive post moves, but mostly gets points on the dump-down and alley-oop. Then again this is only his third season in the league-- or would be if he had actually played.
__________________
EricaLubarsky is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2016, 09:11 PM   #9
spreedom
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,791
spreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond repute
Default



If only we had the option to get him for Simba, provided we included the right to swap future 2nd-round picks.

But seriously... if Nerlens was healthy (and I understand anyone having trepidation about this) he has the potential to be the best defensive center in the league for the next decade. Do you guys remember the commentary team mentioning the other night that Matrix and David Robinson are the only guys ever to end a season in the top 5 for rebounds and steals? Nerlens could be the third. Give him 33-35mpg... his career per-36 numbers are 12/10/2/2/2 on 50% shooting. Get him in a stable organization with an elite coach and you might have just found 23-year-old Tyson Chandler.

Again, an argument can be made that he might never be healthy, but with the way things have gone for us since winning the title, I'm all over trades for guys with this kind of potential.

I'd be willing to trade a top-5 or so protected first-rounder, plus Simba and Powell (provided he actually has positive value). Get his RFA rights if all you have to do is trade Simba and the 6th or 8th overall pick. Let's not act like lottery picks are sure things. Hell, see if the Sixers want Wes' veteran leadership too. Let's go nuts.

Last edited by spreedom; 11-29-2016 at 09:13 PM.
spreedom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2016, 09:40 PM   #10
spreedom
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,791
spreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond repute
Default



In case the graphic is confusing (hastily thrown together in paint) the only players to put up 12/9.5/2/2/2 on >45% shooting in a single season are Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson. These are Nerlens' CAREER per-36 averages. Unless you are currently a contender or have Whiteside/Drummond/Gobert locked up long-term (I think Nerlens can play with the likes of Boogie, KAT and Anthony Davis), you should absolutely be interested in trading for and/or signing Nerlens on the chance that he fulfills his potential as a once-in-a-generation defensive center.
spreedom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2016, 09:52 PM   #11
Underdog
Moderator
 
Underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jun 2011
Posts: 33,036
Underdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I like Noel just fine, but what would the Sixers want for him? Most of our trade chips are veterans more geared toward contenders...
__________________

ďItís the Dirk Nowitzki effect on their offense. As a defense, you absolutely overreact to every situation heís
in -- or even that heís not in -- and then you lose all sight of your team defensive rules." --Erik Spoelstra
Underdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2016, 06:11 AM   #12
spreedom
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,791
spreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I think the Mavs can make a competitive offer now that the cat's seemingly out of the bag and Nerlens' desire to be moved is pretty formal. We obviously probably have to offer some form of a first rounder, the sticking point being what year it's for and what sort of protection it has. You also have to hope that they like Simba and see him as a positive asset. I doubt we're going to squeeze Powell into the deal unless we took back some sort of "bad" contracts someone like Gerald Henderson.

I honestly think Powell's deal is so bad that he's going to be hard to trade for at least a year unless he magically becomes twice as good as he currently is.
spreedom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2016, 06:48 AM   #13
Bryan_Wilson
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,059
Bryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by spreedom View Post
Get his RFA rights if all you have to do is trade Simba and the 6th or 8th overall pick. Let's not act like lottery picks are sure things.
A top 6-8 pick in what is expected to be a great class AND our most recent 1st rounder just for Noel's rights?!?!?!? Hard pass would be an understatement. Lotto picks are not sure things but Noel isn't either. His health isn't, his offensive game for sure isn't. And while he is a good defender his rebounding is maybe average when he was healthy last year. Whiteside is literally almost double the rebounder Noel was last year. A guy who rebounds low as a defensive center with extremely limited offense in the final year of his rookie deal is not remotely worth a top 8 pick, especially in this draft.

Last edited by Bryan_Wilson; 11-30-2016 at 06:49 AM.
Bryan_Wilson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2016, 07:06 AM   #14
Bryan_Wilson
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,059
Bryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond repute
Default

To put it another way, He was the 6th pick... in a draft class that was extremely weak. That's not hindsight, it was called very weak before the draft. Speculated to be one of the weakest possibly ever but certainly in the last 10-15 years. It's been 3 years going on 4 since then. His value has gone down since he hasn't shown he can stay healthy and his improvement has been marginal. So trading a top 6-8 pick in one of the best drafts(heading in at least) for a former 6th in one of the weakest ones, whose value is also down(and 1 year left on rookie deal). Then throwing in simba as well... Little to no sense to me.

Last edited by Bryan_Wilson; 11-30-2016 at 07:07 AM.
Bryan_Wilson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2016, 10:06 AM   #15
Underdog
Moderator
 
Underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jun 2011
Posts: 33,036
Underdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson View Post
A top 6-8 pick in what is expected to be a great class AND our most recent 1st rounder just for Noel's rights?!?!?!? Hard pass
Like a kidney stone.

You can't trade a top pick in a loaded draft for a 1-year rental who's going to ditch us for a contender as soon as he gets the chance... A move like that made sense a few years ago, but not now. We need long-term assets to build around.
__________________

ďItís the Dirk Nowitzki effect on their offense. As a defense, you absolutely overreact to every situation heís
in -- or even that heís not in -- and then you lose all sight of your team defensive rules." --Erik Spoelstra
Underdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2016, 10:26 AM   #16
DevinHarriswillstart
Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 15,405
DevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond repute
Default

The stickler for me is that Noel isn't even that good. Heck, I don't think he is even better than a guy like Gorgui Dieng yet will probably want to get paid a lot more.

No thanks.
__________________
DevinHarriswillstart is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2016, 12:26 PM   #17
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 30,086
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart View Post
The stickler for me is that Noel isn't even that good. Heck, I don't think he is even better than a guy like Gorgui Dieng yet will probably want to get paid a lot more.

No thanks.
He's only played two seasons. For a big that's basically nothing.

He's also averaging 13pts, 10reb, 2ast, 2blk, 2stl per 36. That's solid for even a veteran big and speaks to his ability to be a defensive force-- which is something we desperately need. Bogut isn't going to be that. Mejri is hot/cold with Rick and has some injury issues.

My three biggest concerns are in no particular order:
A) loyalty/attitude- guys who ask for a trade tend to be me-first guys.
B) he's expiring off of his rookie contract. The bird rights would transfer and we'd have full Bird, but we could be paying for a rental. For that alone, I'd limit him to a second rounder. I wouldn't even give a first rounder for Steph Curry or Lebron if they were expiring and the only guarantee of staying was full bird rights.
C) Health. Out of 182 possible games, he's played 142. Potential knee problems can kill a 7 footer, particularly when they happen in the first two years in the league.
__________________
EricaLubarsky is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2016, 12:50 PM   #18
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 30,086
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart View Post
The stickler for me is that Noel isn't even that good. Heck, I don't think he is even better than a guy like Gorgui Dieng yet will probably want to get paid a lot more.

No thanks.
He's only played two seasons. For a big that's basically nothing.

He's also averaging 13pts, 10reb, 2ast, 2blk, 2stl per 36. That's solid for even a veteran big and speaks to his ability to be a defensive force-- which is something we desperately need. Bogut isn't going to be that and he's not going to be part of our young core. Mejri is hot/cold with Rick and has some injury issues.

My three biggest concerns are in no particular order:
A) loyalty/attitude- guys who ask for a trade tend to be me-first guys.
B) he's expiring off of his rookie contract. The bird rights would transfer and we'd have full Bird, but we could be paying for a rental. For that alone, I'd limit him to a second rounder. I wouldn't even give a first rounder for Steph Curry or Lebron if they were expiring and the only guarantee of staying is full bird rights.
C) Health. Out of 182 possible games, he's played 142. Potential knee problems can kill a 7 footer, particularly when they happen in the first two years in the league.
__________________

Last edited by EricaLubarsky; 11-30-2016 at 12:53 PM.
EricaLubarsky is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 04:28 PM   #19
Budapest Maverick
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Budapest, Hungary
Posts: 2,052
Budapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant future
Default

I would send a Powell+Anderson package for him, if he gives his word that he signs with us. He is an absolute difference maker on defense, and still only 21. A Fultz-Barnes-Noel core would be formidable if Fultz can become a superstar.
Budapest Maverick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 05:24 PM   #20
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 30,086
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default

IS he ever going to be 100% healthy again? Whats the use in letting Parsons walk if we trade for guys who are also recovering from knee surgery who may never be the same again?
__________________
EricaLubarsky is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 07:21 PM   #21
Bryan_Wilson
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,059
Bryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick View Post
I would send a Powell+Anderson package for him, if he gives his word that he signs with us. He is an absolute difference maker on defense, and still only 21. A Fultz-Barnes-Noel core would be formidable if Fultz can become a superstar.
Because nothing can go wrong with a verbal commit.
Bryan_Wilson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 09:15 PM   #22
hayth.james.g
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Dallas, tx
Posts: 949
hayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson View Post
Because nothing can go wrong with a verbal commit.
I wouldn't be too worried.

A. We can offer him the most money right?
B. We would have the best sell out there. 3 top 10 talented players, playing complimentary positions under 25 years old with a HOF coach.

If we can't resign him with Barnes and a guy like Fultz or Ball... we are lost forever.

Last edited by hayth.james.g; 12-08-2016 at 09:18 PM.
hayth.james.g is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2016, 04:17 PM   #23
Bryan_Wilson
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,059
Bryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
The research that rival teams have done on Nerlens Noel is ďnot good,Ē per Wojnarowski, who adds that those clubs havenít gotten good reports about the way the Sixers big man carries himself, and his habits. Teams are still interested in acquiring Noel, but they donít want to give up a whole lot for him, so itíll be interesting to see if Philadelphia eventually takes what it can get. The Sixers would probably love to see Noel put in a couple healthy and productive months before the deadline to improve his stock.
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/12/w...noel-heat.html
Bryan_Wilson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2016, 05:38 PM   #24
Thebo
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 495
Thebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to behold
Default

Perhaps Dallas could get into Noel talks in a way where Bogut is traded to x team which sends late 1st round pick + bad contract to Sixers and Mavs get Noel. Uncertain with Noel though, it is not like Mavs have done great things with people who have bad work ethics. But his attitude may be mostly affected by his situation.
Thebo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2016, 06:34 PM   #25
DevinHarriswillstart
Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 15,405
DevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson View Post
No thanks. Last thing Rick needs is another headache to deal with.
__________________
DevinHarriswillstart is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2016, 01:43 AM   #26
Thebo
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 495
Thebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart View Post
No thanks. Last thing Rick needs is another headache to deal with.
The good thing about it is that there is nothing to lose this season through getting Noel. Him being bad may actually help Mavs. It would also be better to have him for a half season and not work out, rather than try to sign him long term during free agency.

It is safe to assume Mavs are going to draft point guard, so they will target bigs in the free agency. This would be similar to Rondo case where Mavs traded for him but also before the trade they were aiming to sign him once free agency came around.

To clarify, I am not a big fan of Noel. I liked him before all the injuries, but right now... I just thing Mavs have nothing to lose trying him out. It is not like Mavs are going to get late 1st rounder for Bogut in this draft anyways and there is no headache in Dallas roster at the moment.
Thebo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2016, 03:03 PM   #27
spreedom
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,791
spreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Nerlens fired his agent and hired Dan Fegan. That's a good sign for our prospects, if anything. As is what I perceive to be a much less robust market for him on the trade block. I felt like he was worth a lightly-protected pick leading into this season (and to put it lightly, I was in the minority, particularly around these parts) but right now, with his injury/attitude concerns, I think you could probably get him for a lottery-protected pick plus a useful player. If we called the Sixers today and offered Simba plus a lottery-protected pick that would likely convert into two 2nd-rounders, I think there's a decent chance Philly accepts. On top of that, I think you can sign him this summer at well below the max. Concerns aside, I still think he's exactly the kind of player the Mavs should be willing to gamble on. The upside is immense, and if you sign him for less than $16-18M a year he's unlikely to be difficult to trade if things don't work out.
spreedom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2016, 03:41 PM   #28
Budapest Maverick
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Budapest, Hungary
Posts: 2,052
Budapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson View Post
Because nothing can go wrong with a verbal commit.
We shouldn't assume that every player is a liar like Jordan. Didn't Noel only went 6th because of that ACL tear btw? I think he had a good chance of going 1st but he tore his ACL. Either way, I think he is a tremendous defensive talent, and if he can be had for an Anderson+Powell package, I would totally do the trade, provided that he gives a verbal commitment. I would not trade draft picks, but low ceiling rotational players like Anderson or Powell aren't hard to replace.

Last edited by Budapest Maverick; 12-15-2016 at 03:41 PM.
Budapest Maverick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2016, 03:57 PM   #29
spreedom
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,791
spreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond reputespreedom has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I wouldn't even worry too much about any sort of verbal commitment... Unless he took his QO this coming summer, we'd have his RFA rights. And I'd be shocked if a player with Nerlens' injury history would take that kind of risk when there is an offer approaching $100M on the table.
spreedom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2016, 06:18 PM   #30
hayth.james.g
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Dallas, tx
Posts: 949
hayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud ofhayth.james.g has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by spreedom View Post
I wouldn't even worry too much about any sort of verbal commitment... Unless he took his QO this coming summer, we'd have his RFA rights. And I'd be shocked if a player with Nerlens' injury history would take that kind of risk when there is an offer approaching $100M on the table.
100M? You sure think high of him. I view him as an Aminu type of pickup.

Last edited by hayth.james.g; 12-15-2016 at 06:18 PM.
hayth.james.g is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2016, 05:21 AM   #31
Budapest Maverick
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Budapest, Hungary
Posts: 2,052
Budapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant futureBudapest Maverick has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hayth.james.g View Post
100M? You sure think high of him. I view him as an Aminu type of pickup.
Nah, he is much better than that, certainly defensively. Probably more athletic too, and a lot younger.
Budapest Maverick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2016, 09:51 AM   #32
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 30,086
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Noel is not a 100mill player.
__________________
EricaLubarsky is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2016, 10:22 AM   #33
MavzMan
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 951
MavzMan has a brilliant futureMavzMan has a brilliant futureMavzMan has a brilliant futureMavzMan has a brilliant futureMavzMan has a brilliant futureMavzMan has a brilliant futureMavzMan has a brilliant futureMavzMan has a brilliant futureMavzMan has a brilliant futureMavzMan has a brilliant futureMavzMan has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky View Post
Noel is not a 100mill player.
First, I 100% agree with you or rather 200% (see below). He's got a LOT to prove before any team should give him that much money. And most of what he has to prove is not related to his basketball skills.

Second, keep in mind that in the next few years, we are going to have to change what $100 million means. Steph Curry in the last year of his upcoming contract extension could make $47 million ... in that one year. For the 5 years, he would make over $200 million. Things are about to go absolutely crazy for NBA player salaries.
MavzMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2016, 10:44 AM   #34
rimrocker
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,724
rimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud of
Default

I'm not crazy about giving up any assets for Noel but am wondering what better options might be out there for next season.
I'm not seeing a lot of hope for our center situation next season.

Hammons must really suck if he can't see one meaningful minute while our starting center has been out for several games. Not sure why he is even on the roster but I said the same thing about Mejri this time last season when McGee was out and Powell got all of the backup minutes but was getting punished by other centers.

Last edited by rimrocker; 12-16-2016 at 10:46 AM.
rimrocker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2016, 12:43 PM   #35
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 30,086
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Thing is, a LOT of teams have significant concerns with his attitude, which is in addition to his health. Dude makes a pretty significant impact, but he's yet to prove that he can be a good teammate and stay healthy. For every Dennis Rodman, there are a dozen late-career Rajon Rondos and Metta World Peaces.

He's also extremely offensively limited and isn't terribly fundamentally sound, which means if the knee injury limits his athleticism, he may see an enormous dip on his performance.

Lots of potential and could be the only good starting-caliber center available, but he just has so many question marks

1) Attitude
2) Health
3) fundamentals
4) asset cost
5) ability to keep him long-term if he does well
__________________

Last edited by EricaLubarsky; 12-16-2016 at 12:57 PM.
EricaLubarsky is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2016, 02:18 PM   #36
Melonhead
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 5,658
Melonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson View Post
Goran Dragic Heat want to test the market in that article...however we have nothing
__________________
Melonhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2016, 02:41 PM   #37
Thebo
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 495
Thebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead View Post
Goran Dragic Heat want to test the market in that article...however we have nothing
Riley is probably looking for this year's draft pick, nothing else.
Thebo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2016, 04:49 PM   #38
Melonhead
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 5,658
Melonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant future
Default

I wouldnt give him 20m, much less 100m. He's proven nothing in my mind to warrant a large contract. 2 seasons. Wow. Cant stay healthy, spect attitude. No thanks
__________________
Melonhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2016, 02:41 AM   #39
Bryan_Wilson
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,059
Bryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond reputeBryan_Wilson has a reputation beyond repute
Default

http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/18296129
Bryan_Wilson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2016, 07:06 AM   #40
Thebo
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 495
Thebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson View Post
WOW. Did not even recognize him with this haircut. I think the positive is that he is really bringing his value down with these comments. Particularly being too big player to be playing 8 minutes. I am sure many GMs are not going to answer any calls from 76ers after hearing this.

I mean, this kind of attitude is actually good if the player can stay healthy and produce. I do not have problems with this kind of comments unless the player actually can be good enough to stand by those words. Any team that is going to take him, is taking a chance. There can not be many teams left that really want him, only those that have nothing to lose and can take a chance with him.

Last edited by Thebo; 12-17-2016 at 07:08 AM.
Thebo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:15 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.