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Willie Cauley-Stein was the 6th pick in the 2015 draft and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist was the 2nd pick in the 2012 draft

These are still young guys (both 26) who can reclaim their careers. I'm pretty excited

Plus it shows that Dallas is starting to become a destination for at buyout players again. When Dirk was in his prime, we were connected to almost every buyout player who hit the market. It was nice that MKG chose us
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Willie Cauley-Stein was the 6th pick in the 2015 draft and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist was the 2nd pick in the 2012 draft

These are still young guys (both 26) who can reclaim their careers. I'm pretty excited

Plus it shows that Dallas is starting to become a destination for at buyout players again. When Dirk was in his prime, we were connected to almost every buyout player who hit the market. It was nice that MKG chose us
I feel like there is rain headed to your parade. MGK choosing us is a microscopic step if you are looking for the available players Marching to Dallas.

WCS isn't getting to play much and MGK would be behind DFS so I wouldn't be surprised if they were both bench fodder.
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This off-season will be crucial for us. We should offer Fred Vanvleet the biggest contract we can possibly give him. It will be easier if Hardaway ops out, but if he doesn’t we should try to come to terms with Vanvleet and then clear the cap space for him through trade.
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This off-season will be crucial for us. We should offer Fred Vanvleet the biggest contract we can possibly give him. It will be easier if Hardaway ops out, but if he doesnít we should try to come to terms with Vanvleet and then clear the cap space for him through trade.
Yes let's add another undersized skill guy to a lineup lacking size and athleticism. It's fine and dandy until you come up against monsters like Giannis, kwahi, LeBron, etc..

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This off-season will be crucial for us. We should offer Fred Vanvleet the biggest contract we can possibly give him. It will be easier if Hardaway ops out, but if he doesn’t we should try to come to terms with Vanvleet and then clear the cap space for him through trade.
I dunno about VanVleet, but with the way THJ has been playing, I bet he opts-out to lock up a longer deal... I just hope we're not the ones to give it to him (although I would feel differently about him if he opted-in and we could go over the cap to re-sign him after testing the 2021 FA market).
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Van vleet isn't a bad move but Gordon Hayward is more intriguing. Maybe he will opt out and take the potential 23m or so we have to offer?
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I dunno about VanVleet, but with the way THJ has been playing, I bet he opts-out to lock up a longer deal... I just hope we're not the ones to give it to him (although I would feel differently about him if he opted-in and we could go over the cap to re-sign him after testing the 2021 FA market).
He'd be dumb to opt out with only five teams likely to have enough cap to offer him more than 9.7mill MLE

Atlanta: 49.21M
Charlotte: 22.81M
Detroit: 34.86M
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Willie Cauley-Stein was the 6th pick in the 2015 draft and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist was the 2nd pick in the 2012 draft

These are still young guys (both 26) who can reclaim their careers. I'm pretty excited

Plus it shows that Dallas is starting to become a destination for at buyout players again. When Dirk was in his prime, we were connected to almost every buyout player who hit the market. It was nice that MKG chose us
Unless something changes drastically I don't think WCS is going to come back to Dallas

I'm pretty sure the dude wants to play more than 5 mpg and if your already telling him he doesn't space the floor then your probably losing him.

MKG I like because I'm tired of midget ball and seeing guys like Brunson, curry or THJ getting switched on to Lebron or Leonard type players

But he's another C.Brewer type pickup won't be here past the summer

I hope I'm wrong because I do like both players but this franchise doesn't value defenders enough to give them quality playing time
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Unless something changes drastically I don't think WCS is going to come back to Dallas

I'm pretty sure the dude wants to play more than 5 mpg and if your already telling him he doesn't space the floor then your probably losing him.

MKG I like because I'm tired of midget ball and seeing guys like Brunson, curry or THJ getting switched on to Lebron or Leonard type players

But he's another C.Brewer type pickup won't be here past the summer

I hope I'm wrong because I do like both players but this franchise doesn't value defenders enough to give them quality playing time
Eh, Stevenson, Brewer and DFS are defense first players who became 3pt shooters (3&d) here. Perhaps you are talking more about bigs.

But yea, Willie is gone after this season is my guess as well and how could anyone blame him. Rick wants that to be the case too because of DP loyalty...even though he will never be the same.

Unfortunate
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Why Vanvleet?

1) He'll only be 26 and in his prime.

2) He's known as a leader and has a championship pedigree.

https://www.narcity.com/sports/ca/on...ptors-teammate

3) He's an elite three point shooter. His catch-and-shoot percentage is top-20 in the league (in the same range as Joe Harris, THJ, Bertans). He's already shown he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective.

4) Vanvleet is more than a good defender, he's borderline great (seriously). He's pesky, strong, and able to maneuver in tight spaces.

5) He gives us another person that can break the defense down consistently off the dribble.

6) He's a realistic target given the Raptors cap situation and money tied up with Lowry.


IMO if THJ opts out, immediately throw $20+ million a year at VanVleet. Start Vanvleet - DFS - Luka - Porzingis - Maxi.
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I wasn't sold on the idea of VanVleet immediately either. But he checks off so many boxes

Need a defender to partially nullify those quick point guards? Check

Need a second playmaker who is used to being the secondary option to another point guard? Check

Need an elite 3 point shooter? Check again

And the best thing? If we need to make a deal for an elite level talent - VanVleet is the type of player they want included in the trade
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He'd be dumb to opt out with only five teams likely to have enough cap to offer him more than 9.7mill MLE

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Agree for the most part. However, he could go a smarter route and opt out and take a reduction in salary for a longer commitment that makes it worthwhile to opt out. It just depends upon what kind of numbers are going to come his direction and whether or not he wants to lock in a bigger # of millions with certainty or roll the die on another year with a hopefully rising Mavs team that enjoys some playoff success, and THJ turns out to be that 3rd option at worst, so he can have an even bigger potential payday.

If he finishes the year solid and there are some multi-year offers, say 4 years $65+ million or around there, it would sure make his decision more interesting.

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I get the FVV idea and am fully onboard but I would think he might not have interest here. This is clearly Lukaís team, and he is the primary ball handler, so I could see FVV wanting a team of his own to lead.
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Agree for the most part. However, he could go a smarter route and opt out and take a reduction in salary for a longer commitment that makes it worthwhile to opt out. It just depends upon what kind of numbers are going to come his direction and whether or not he wants to lock in a bigger # of millions with certainty or roll the die on another year with a hopefully rising Mavs team that enjoys some playoff success, and THJ turns out to be that 3rd option at worst, so he can have an even bigger potential payday.

If he finishes the year solid and there are some multi-year offers, say 4 years $65+ million or around there, it would sure make his decision more interesting.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.
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Willie Cauley-Stein was the 6th pick in the 2015 draft and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist was the 2nd pick in the 2012 draft

These are still young guys (both 26) who can reclaim their careers. I'm pretty excited

Plus it shows that Dallas is starting to become a destination for at buyout players again. When Dirk was in his prime, we were connected to almost every buyout player who hit the market. It was nice that MKG chose us
Hell yeah! I totally agree. I also love that we have top lottery picks in Dallas again.

#2 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
#3 Luka Doncic
#4 Kristaps Porzingis
#6 Willie Cauley-Stein
#15 Justin Jackson
#20 Delon Wright
#22 Courtney Lee
#24 Tim Hardaway Jr
#33 Jalen Brunson
#45 Dwight Powell

We actually have 10 drafted players, and 8 of them are in the first round. Not too bad.
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He'd be dumb to opt out with only five teams likely to have enough cap to offer him more than 9.7mill MLE

Atlanta: 49.21M
Charlotte: 22.81M
Detroit: 34.86M
Miami: 26.50M
New York: 38.76M
Miami has that much projected cap space? Yuck. God I hate that franchise. I know there arenít a lot of FA available but still. Seems like yesterday they were bogged down with a bunch of bad contracts. I do like Spoelstra though.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.
Why would he opt out of 1 year at 19 million when by opting out, he'd most likely get less than 10 mill a year? Even if he got 3/30, he'd basically be working for two years to earn his player option with us for one year. Even if he only got 6-8 mill a year after, he'd still come out ahead taking his PO.
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I 100% see the Atlanta Hawks offering THJ $15 to $20 mill a year.
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Why would he opt out of 1 year at 19 million when by opting out, he'd most likely get less than 10 mill a year? Even if he got 3/30, he'd basically be working for two years to earn his player option with us for one year. Even if he only got 6-8 mill a year after, he'd still come out ahead taking his PO.
Why would he be getting less than $10m per year? He's playing up to his current contract right now... No reason he couldn't get 4/60 on the open market.
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Why would he be getting less than $10m per year? He's playing up to his current contract right now... No reason he couldn't get 4/60 on the open market.
Atlanta: 49.21M
Charlotte: 22.81M
Detroit: 34.86M
Miami: 26.50M
New York: 38.76M

Those are the only five teams that can offer him more than 9mill MLE
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THJ prob has to protect himself, my guess is a starting spot is his first priority. Im sure he would be open to Dallas on a re-sign.
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Those are the only five teams that can offer him more than 9mill MLE
We go through this every season, and every season a bunch of teams find a way to open up their cap space... Also, there aren't a ton of FAs on the market this summer, and a lot of them can/will re-sign with their current teams regardless of their cap situation... Also-also, why wouldn't one of those 5 teams offer him a solid contract? Dude is shooting 40% from three in a league where three-point threats are starting to get the kind of premiums that used to be reserved for bigs.
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Because Knicks used KP to dump his "bad" contract. Hawks have Huerter/Hunter, Pistons finally tearing it down and going full tank, same with Charlotte. And Miami allready said they wanna be a player in the 2021 free agency.

Sure, there are maybe more teams after draft night trades but the list is short and full with bad fits or no gos.

I also think THJ would like to stay in Dallas and may hope they are striking out in 2021 and offer him a solid contract then. 2021 has much more options for him to get paid after the few stars are off the market.

i expect him to opt in. Opting out just with a winkie winkie tampering deal with another team.
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Remember when everyone thought Barnes was going to opt in? It only takes one team to offer a big contract...
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Barnes opted out because he allready had a winkie winkie Agreement with the Kings. He knew how much they would offer
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This is from an interview on the fan. I wonder who the trade and extend guy was?:

"We tried," Cuban said. "We came close on a couple of deals.''

Deals that were "big''?, asked co-host Shan Shariff.

"Two really big pieces,'' Cuban answered, noting what was on the table in a pair of "three-team deals.''

"They were both three-team deals,'' he said. "In one case, it was a trade-and-extend, (but) we couldn't get the player to agree on terms. In the other case, one of the teams decided they didn't want to trade a key guy to make it happen.''
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This is from an interview on the fan. I wonder who the trade and extend guy was?:

"We tried," Cuban said. "We came close on a couple of deals.''

Deals that were "big''?, asked co-host Shan Shariff.

"Two really big pieces,'' Cuban answered, noting what was on the table in a pair of "three-team deals.''

"They were both three-team deals,'' he said. "In one case, it was a trade-and-extend, (but) we couldn't get the player to agree on terms. In the other case, one of the teams decided they didn't want to trade a key guy to make it happen.''
Trade and extend was most likely Iguodala, since he got traded and extended.
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This is from an interview on the fan. I wonder who the trade and extend guy was?:

"We tried," Cuban said. "We came close on a couple of deals.''

Deals that were "big''?, asked co-host Shan Shariff.

"Two really big pieces,'' Cuban answered, noting what was on the table in a pair of "three-team deals.''

"They were both three-team deals,'' he said. "In one case, it was a trade-and-extend, (but) we couldn't get the player to agree on terms. In the other case, one of the teams decided they didn't want to trade a key guy to make it happen.''
One of those was likely Danny Green, and Lakers didnít want to include Kizma. The other is probably Iggy who they couldnít agree to an extension.
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One of those was likely Danny Green, and Lakers didnít want to include Kizma. The other is probably Iggy who they couldnít agree to an extension.
Both of these are exactly what I was thinking, glad we didn't do either.
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Sucks I wonder why iggy would extend with Miami and not Dallas?

Seems like the mavs have just as good of young core as the Heat.

I didn't really care for Danny Green as a summer free agent or trade deadline pickup so I'm happy about that deal not getting done
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Sucks I wonder why iggy would extend with Miami and not Dallas?

Seems like the mavs have just as good of young core as the Heat.

I didn't really care for Danny Green as a summer free agent or trade deadline pickup so I'm happy about that deal not getting done
Miami is closer to being a win-now team, especially in the East... Dallas is going to take a couple years to finish cooking.
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Miami is closer to being a win-now team, especially in the East... Dallas is going to take a couple years to finish cooking.
Plus you never know what Dallas was offering extension wise. Maybe it was less money? Playing in the East had to be more intriguing though. Either way I’m glad we didn’t trade our pick for him. I wouldn’t want to pay 36 year old Iggy the money he signed for.

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Sucks I wonder why iggy would extend with Miami and not Dallas?

Seems like the mavs have just as good of young core as the Heat.

I didn't really care for Danny Green as a summer free agent or trade deadline pickup so I'm happy about that deal not getting done
Maybe it was over the amount of guaranteed money on the extension? Idk...also, maybe he just felt Miami fit his timeline better. I know I do.
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