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Seems like they really need help defensively more than catching lobs from Luka, which I am sure WCS will be ace at and certainly replaces Powell's role well, but is he the best defensive big out there?

Really got to look at improving that 16th ranked defense if they want to go deep into the playoffs.

All a bonus right now though. Sure Cuban didn't expect to be this good this soon, esp with KP in and out of the team.
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I was just happy to see someone above 6'10" out there at center. He didn't know where to be on the court the other night. Going to take a little bit before he sees regular time.
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Old 01-30-2020, 09:48 AM   #123
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Is it just me or is this team beginning to resemble a mix of our teams that went to championships?

Luka - Kidd (younger version)
DFS - Marion (lesser version)
KP - Dirk (Less shooter but better defender)
THJ - Fin
Seth - JET
Brunson - Barea (young version)
WCS - TC (less leadership and rebounding but similar size, athleticism and skillsets)
Wright - Stevenson (less shooter, better ball handler and driver)

I’m not saying it is an exact replica by any means, and will yield the same results, but I see some similarities.
Yep posted this in one of the game threads

They have similar type of players as to the title team

Obviously these players aren't as good but you can make a case that their skill set and style of play is quite similar
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Yep posted this in one of the game threads



They have similar type of players as to the title team



Obviously these players aren't as good but you can make a case that their skill set and style of play is quite similar
Not really a surprise as the architect of the two teams is the same.
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Because Rondo is a bitch.... That's why the players voted not to give him the playoff bonus -- it wasn't just Rick.
Without specifically naming Rondo, Rick said, "It's nice to coach players who don't think they already know everything there is to know about playing basketball."
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Old 01-30-2020, 12:44 PM   #126
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Without specifically naming Rondo, Rick said, "It's nice to coach players who don't think they already know everything there is to know about playing basketball."
Yeah, I'm sure pretty much any coach feels the same way -- you can't teach anything to someone who thinks they already know everything... And a coach's purpose is to teach.

I love that WCS is not only willing to learn, but excited to learn from Rick.
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KP out tonight, curious to see how he will fare with extended minutes. Shame Luka is out as well though.
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I'm really beginning to like what I see from WCS and think he COULD have a future with this team but I have a feeling that won't happen. I have a feeling he'll be a rental for this season only.

You can almost see this thing playing out because it will be a catch-22 situation with him. If he fits and plays well his value will go up in the open market and someone will pay him more than we will most likely pay. If he doesn't fit, doesn't play well or get low PT then he won't do us much good anyway so it wouldn't matter if we re-sign him or not.
We have about 50mil tied up in our frontcourt so I don't see us offering him anything more than the MLE.
However Centers are a dime a dozen now so hopefully he'll fit and we'll bring him back.
Personally I don't think that will happen because we are heavily invested in Powell and the Mavs will probably think they can bring him back to form.

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Willie C-Stein had his first double-double as a Maverick in Charlotte.
He finished with 15 pts (7/7 FG), 10 reb. and 2 blks in 25 min.

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I'm really beginning to like what I see from WCS and think he COULD have a future with this team but I have a feeling that won't happen. I have a feeling he'll be a rental for this season only.

You can almost see this thing playing out because it will be a catch-22 situation with him. If he fits and plays well his value will go up in the open market and someone will pay him more than we will most likely pay. If he doesn't fit, doesn't play well or get low PT then he won't do us much good anyway so it wouldn't matter if we re-sign him or not.
We have about 50mil tied up in our frontcourt so I don't see us offering him anything more than the MLE.
However Centers are a dime a dozen now so hopefully he'll fit and we'll bring him back.
Personally I don't think that will happen because we are heavily invested in Powell and the Mavs will probably think they can bring him back to form.
I think if given consistent minutes he'll be productive

He's not a guy that you can play one night and then sit him the next 2-3 games.

He fits perfect for what they want in a center on offense and defense but my fear is that he won't get quality minutes here and he'll leave because of that.....

Powell might not even come back as the same player but the mavs are loyal to him so I expect him to go right back to being a starter with that contract he got

But WCS is the best overall player between the two

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I'm really beginning to like what I see from WCS and think he COULD have a future with this team but I have a feeling that won't happen. I have a feeling he'll be a rental for this season only.
I can see a one year MLE contract - don't forget that Powell might not be able to play even next year

I doubt that WCS gets more than that, he signed a min deal this year
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I can see a one year MLE contract - don't forget that Powell might not be able to play even next year

I doubt that WCS gets more than that, he signed a min deal this year
WCS is so much better than DP that it's not even funny. If he only gets a MLE offer, in comparison to what the Mavs gave DP, that says more about the Mavs ability to evaluate talent than it does WCS. LOL
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WCS is so much better than DP that it's not even funny. If he only gets a MLE offer, in comparison to what the Mavs gave DP, that says more about the Mavs ability to evaluate talent than it does WCS. LOL
That’s probably the offer he gets from any team in the league. He was on a minimum contract this season.
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That’s probably the offer he gets from any team in the league. He was on a minimum contract this season.
Yeah, if he plays good he'll get multiple MLE offers from some contenders. But I hope he'll stick with us
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It seems (by what he says) that playing for a couple of different teams has shown him that fit matters. He wasn’t the best fit in Sacramento and he wasn’t the best fit in GS. If he wants to play and wants to play in a system that fits his skills, Dallas really is the perfect place for him. This will become more evident once Luka comes back. Now that he’s more comfortable in the offense himself he should start seeing a ton more lobs being thrown his way by Luka. I think if the Mavs are at least competitive with their offer he will choose to stay in Dallas.


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I was a big fan of this trade he was one of the players that I mentioned in the trade thread on here that fits on both sides of the ball for Dallas.

I believe he could be a long term piece next to KP.

The mavs were always rumored to like capella next to KP and WCS is a similar fit much cheaper than Capella

But I just have a gut feeling his minutes are going to be inconsistent all year and he'll leave this summer

Someone like Boston might gain interest this summer and give him a little better contract than what the mavs might offer because we have Powell locked up already

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I'm really beginning to like what I see from WCS and think he COULD have a future with this team but I have a feeling that won't happen. I have a feeling he'll be a rental for this season only.

You can almost see this thing playing out because it will be a catch-22 situation with him. If he fits and plays well his value will go up in the open market and someone will pay him more than we will most likely pay. If he doesn't fit, doesn't play well or get low PT then he won't do us much good anyway so it wouldn't matter if we re-sign him or not.
We have about 50mil tied up in our frontcourt so I don't see us offering him anything more than the MLE.
However Centers are a dime a dozen now so hopefully he'll fit and we'll bring him back.
Personally I don't think that will happen because we are heavily invested in Powell and the Mavs will probably think they can bring him back to form.
One thing you are not mentioning is the team/organization/franchise culture. This is a team-building, learn-and-play-a-role-within-the-team environment that everyone must follow. If you cannot follow or don't like your role, you will be shipped out. If you can follow and like your role, you tend to love it because it is way better than how you'll be treated at most of other franchises around. If WCS is a learner and likes his role/prospect, he will be heavily inclined to re-sign. Same with KP, same with Luka, and same with Rondo and DSJ who were correspondingly shipped out.
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It seems (by what he says) that playing for a couple of different teams has shown him that fit matters. He wasn’t the best fit in Sacramento and he wasn’t the best fit in GS. If he wants to play and wants to play in a system that fits his skills, Dallas really is the perfect place for him. This will become more evident once Luka comes back. Now that he’s more comfortable in the offense himself he should start seeing a ton more lobs being thrown his way by Luka. I think if the Mavs are at least competitive with their offer he will choose to stay in Dallas.


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One thing you are not mentioning is the team/organization/franchise culture. This is a team-building, learn-and-play-a-role-within-the-team environment that everyone must follow. If you cannot follow or don't like your role, you will be shipped out. If you can follow and like your role, you tend to love it because it is way better than how you'll be treated at most of other franchises around. If WCS is a learner and likes his role/prospect, he will be heavily inclined to re-sign. Same with KP, same with Luka, and same with Rondo and DSJ who were correspondingly shipped out.
Completely agree with your point but my point is more from a financial perspective.
What do the Mavs do if he is a tremendous fit and becomes a star center and his market value becomes similar to Powell’s?

Do they pay him and have 60+ mil tied up in our front court, or do they take a chance on Powell making a full recovery?
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They're going all-in on him being a Dwight Powell replacement, huh?
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Completely agree with your point but my point is more from a financial perspective.
What do the Mavs do if he is a tremendous fit and becomes a star center and his market value becomes similar to Powell’s?

Do they pay him and have 60+ mil tied up in our front court, or do they take a chance on Powell making a full recovery?
There is no full recovery for Powell and the FO knows that. Thank god his last year is just partial guaranteed for 6m.
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There is no full recovery for Powell and the FO knows that. Thank god his last year is just partial guaranteed for 6m.
They had to have been planning on moving on from him before the last year, even before the injury. I sincerely hope the injury doesn't make that too difficult.

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They had to have been planning on moving on from him before the last year, even before the injury. I sincerely hope the injury doesn't make that too difficult.
Planning on moving on from him by extending him? Maybe I'm reading your post wrong...
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Planning on moving on from him by extending him? Maybe I'm reading your post wrong...
I'm just saying that it seems like the plan is Free Agency in the summer of 2021. Now, I'm far from a cap expert, but it seems to me like moving Powell's contract prior to that summer is a pretty helpful step.
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I really don't understand this tbh

His playing time is predicated on his ability to shoot the 3 in games.

I just watched okc and new Orleans Adams and Noel combined for 1 3pt shot both played their regular rotation minutes

Zion and favors started together neither one attempted a 3 point shot

I saw both backcourts still have enough space to attack the paint because of picks that the bigs were setting

Just can't understand why WCS is being penalized do yo his lack of 3 pt shooting when he can still be helpful on the floor in PNR sets or just rolls to the basket on general with as much attention and space that luka creates

Really puzzling especially when you see those two teams consistently play non 3 pt shooting bigs vs any matchups

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Completely agree with your point but my point is more from a financial perspective.
What do the Mavs do if he is a tremendous fit and becomes a star center and his market value becomes similar to Powell’s?

Do they pay him and have 60+ mil tied up in our front court, or do they take a chance on Powell making a full recovery?
All I can say is you think about it if/when you get there.
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Cuban on radio was talking about Willie Cauley-Stein shooting 60% from 3 in practice. Now they want him shooting them in games
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Old 02-14-2020, 01:13 AM   #150
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If WCS can indeed shoot 3s, that could be huuuuge. And I did notice that the moment he got on the floor in the last game, he shot a 3-pointer (before the one Boban made). If he can do that with an any kind of respectable %, he could quickly become one of RC's most favourite players. And it would also free RC to use KP however he wants. As Costanza would say, this would be like "discovering plutonium by accident," but I'm sure Donnie Nelson, RC and company had an eye on that much before they signed him. Here's a draft video of WCS shooting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i89E4DyhVU0&t=65s
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I really don't understand this tbh

His playing time is predicated on his ability to shoot the 3 in games.

I just watched okc and new Orleans Adams and Noel combined for 1 3pt shot both played their regular rotation minutes

Zion and favors started together neither one attempted a 3 point shot

I saw both backcourts still have enough space to attack the paint because of picks that the bigs were setting

Just can't understand why WCS is being penalized do yo his lack of 3 pt shooting when he can still be helpful on the floor in PNR sets or just rolls to the basket on general with as much attention and space that luka creates

Really puzzling especially when you see those two teams consistently play non 3 pt shooting bigs vs any matchups
I haven't seen journeyman centers compared here or any other thread that has outrage that WCS isn't being used enough. WCS was getting just 23 minutes a night for a TERRIBLE Warriors team

I don't see why Carlisle needs to completely change his system to accommodate a journeyman center. A BRAND NEW (less than 10 games) journeyman center
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Maybe the DMN?

I don't have a subscription to DMN so I don't know for sure but I saw something about it when I searched Google

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I haven't seen journeyman centers compared here or any other thread that has outrage that WCS isn't being used enough. WCS was getting just 23 minutes a night for a TERRIBLE Warriors team

I don't see why Carlisle needs to completely change his system to accommodate a journeyman center. A BRAND NEW (less than 10 games) journeyman center
J.Mcgee is a journeyman center but he somehow became a 18 mpg starter for the warriors and didn't shoot 3's just to get those minutes.

They valued his rebounding and rim protection

So I'm not sure why you are calling him a journeyman center when he's played just as many minutes as d.powell doing his career and put up better numbers than Powell.

Powell started for a bad mavs teams last year does that make him a journeyman center to?
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J.Mcgee is a journeyman center but he somehow became a 18 mpg starter for the warriors and didn't shoot 3's just to get those minutes.



They valued his rebounding and rim protection



So I'm not sure why you are calling him a journeyman center when he's played just as many minutes as d.powell doing his career and put up better numbers than Powell.



Powell started for a bad mavs teams last year does that make him a journeyman center to?
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I haven't seen journeyman centers compared here or any other thread that has outrage that WCS isn't being used enough. WCS was getting just 23 minutes a night for a TERRIBLE Warriors team

I don't see why Carlisle needs to completely change his system to accommodate a journeyman center. A BRAND NEW (less than 10 games) journeyman center
Because we arent utilizing our size advantage.

Our defense is bad.

Rebounding vs big teams and elite teams.

Everyone is sick of small ball.

To name a few.
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Mic mike drop on THAT comment?

One example. And wrong at that. In the 2 years that McGee played for the Warriors, he never averaged even TEN minutes per game for them. You know, LESS minutes that WCS plays for us.

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Because we arent utilizing our size advantage.

Our defense is bad.

Rebounding vs big teams and elite teams.

Everyone is sick of small ball.

To name a few.
Who cares about size advantage? Its a dinosaur concept. The best way to win is to play your best players

Our defense is bad but our offense is amazing. The object of the game is to score more points than your opponent

I hate small ball too but that's the way the NBA is going. Why should we buck the trend?
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J.Mcgee is a journeyman center but he somehow became a 18 mpg starter for the warriors and didn't shoot 3's just to get those minutes.

They valued his rebounding and rim protection

So I'm not sure why you are calling him a journeyman center when he's played just as many minutes as d.powell doing his career and put up better numbers than Powell.

Powell started for a bad mavs teams last year does that make him a journeyman center to?
Never averaged even 10 minutes per game for the Warriors

Of course Powell is a journeyman center. He's certainly not a star. He's not particularly valuable. There wasn't a line of teams vying to get his services during his free agency
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Who cares about size advantage? Its a dinosaur concept. The best way to win is to play your best players

Our defense is bad but our offense is amazing. The object of the game is to score more points than your opponent

I hate small ball too but that's the way the NBA is going. Why should we buck the trend?
Well it doesn't take a rocket Sargeant to know you play your best players.

Size is a dinosaur concept? I'd put down the pipe you found in Houston's front office. . Wait till the playoffs and you will see. Milwaukee, LA, Denver, Utah to name a few contenders that have size. Clips have versatility with big and small bit they have length for days defensively.

We don't have gritty 2 way guards to throw out with even more gritty long forwards along side KP.

Our lack of defense and legit 2 way players is a big factor in why people don't expect us to get past a first round.
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Never averaged even 10 minutes per game for the Warriors

Of course Powell is a journeyman center. He's certainly not a star. He's not particularly valuable. There wasn't a line of teams vying to get his services during his free agency
My bad he's avg 18 mpg in his two years with Lakers.

His minutes with golden st always increased doing the playoffs and rightfully so because that's when you need post defense and rebounding the most.

I just find it odd that you seem to think bigs are irrelevant yet the warriors who were playing for titles increased mcgee's role in the post seasons and the Lakers whom many consider a title team have him playing key rotation minutes


On September 16, 2016, McGee signed with the Golden State Warriors. On December 15, 2016, he scored a season-high 17 points in a 103–90 win over the New York Knicks. On March 31, 2017, he had 13 points and a season-best five blocked shots in a 107–98 win over the Houston Rockets. The Warriors went on to win the 2017 NBA Championship after defeating the Cleveland Cavaliers 4–1 in the NBA Finals. He played in 77 of 82 regular season games, with a field goal percentage of .652, and 16 of 17 playoff games, with a percentage of .732, both the best in his career.

On August 1, 2017, McGee re-signed with the Warriors on a one-year contract. His playing time increased when he was inserted into the starting lineup after the all-star break. In June 2018, he won his second straight championship after the Warriors defeated the Cavaliers in a four-game sweep in the Finals. He started the final three games of the series, and averaged 8.0 points in the 4 games.

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