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Old 02-02-2020, 12:25 AM   #121
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Classic Rick having Brunson out play Young by a mile. Anyone still want to complain about coaching?
Ahh... By that logic yes, people should complain about coaching because Brunson is coming off our bench. So Rick had little to do with the role reversal tonight or he is a terribly inconsistent coach and doesn't know how to manage lineups. Hell why not claim Luka and KP are responsible for this, they cleared the way for our true MVP.
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Ahh... By that logic yes, people should complain about coaching because Brunson is coming off our bench. So Rick had little to do with the role reversal tonight or he is a terribly inconsistent coach and doesn't know how to manage lineups. Hell why not claim Luka and KP are responsible for this, they cleared the way for our true MVP.
Except that Brunson hasn't done squat to earn the start and minutes he got tonight. Typical "old" Rick would just start Barea and DNP Brunson. But he didn't. He knows that Brunson has to, at the very least, increase his value and provide more for this team. Obviously the Mavs being short handed helps in this decision, but it's ridiculous to think it wasn't a good coaching move.

Key now is for Brunson to learn to contribute in less minutes, but that just isn't his game. He needs to pound the rock out to be effective.
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Was reading some of the Hawks forums and it was absolutely appalling. None of the fans have the balls to admit that Trae is an absolute liability on defense. Happy to be on this forum where no one shys away from calling out Luka when he’s becoming a chucker.

Anyways we absolutely won that trade. I literally could not believe how small, weak, and poor on defense Young was.
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Great team win - almost a 50-40-90 performance
FG 46.8% / 3pt 51.3% / FT 93.8%

Dirk and Marion were there and celebrated a VCarter dunk.
(Vince had 10 points, 5reb in 24 min.)
Mavs did a tribute video for VC - tonight being Vince Carter’s final game at AAC

Jalen Brunson - season hi 27 pts
Dorian Finney-Smith - career high tying 22 pts.
Maxi Kleber - 18 pts and blocked 4 shots for 2nd straight game

Seth Curry played well but is out with left knee tightness - ah-oh.

WCS 26 min played had 10 reb, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks, 7 points

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Mavs PR: Rick Carlisle has become the 13th coach in @NBA history to win 500 games with a single team following tonight’s 123-100 win over Atlanta. Carlisle is in his 12th season as the head coach of the #Mavericks, and holds an all-time record of 500-435 (.535).
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DIRK, KOBE HELPING AGELESS VINCE CARTER COME TO GRIPS WITH RETIREMENT
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confirmed: we're better without Doncic and KP
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But we won handily without Boban getting 25 minutes. I'm not sure how to feel?
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Except that Brunson hasn't done squat to earn the start and minutes he got tonight. Typical "old" Rick would just start Barea and DNP Brunson. But he didn't. He knows that Brunson has to, at the very least, increase his value and provide more for this team. Obviously the Mavs being short handed helps in this decision, but it's ridiculous to think it wasn't a good coaching move.

Key now is for Brunson to learn to contribute in less minutes, but that just isn't his game. He needs to pound the rock out to be effective.
Is it really genius knowing that you can start your small point guard against another small point guard who doesn't play a lick of defense? Throw in WCS in the paint, and Trae wasn't driving for a boat load of layups iirc. He was pretty much limited to the perimeter, and he was rendered pretty useless.

I do give Carlisle credit for the coaching, but let's not go overboard with him doing what many people would consider the obvious. Brunson had a great game. Perfect time right before trade deadline. I hope we can deal him now.

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I know the league is going small and all but for just a few minutes when we played Houston the other night I would have loved to see the Mavs throw a lineup of KP/Boban/WCS/Maxi/Wright at that midget lineup just for the entertainment value if nothing else.

I understand that the big guys couldn't keep up with the smaller players but how in the world would those 6'6 and under guys handle those monster 7 footers in the paint?
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I know the league is going small and all but for just a few minutes when we played Houston the other night I would have loved to see the Mavs throw a lineup of KP/Boban/WCS/Maxi/Wright at that midget lineup just for the entertainment value if nothing else.

I understand that the big guys couldn't keep up with the smaller players but how in the world would those 6'6 and under guys handle those monster 7 footers in the paint?
Agree. Put those guys in a zone instead of some ridiculous man defense where switching ends up pulling a KP, Boban, or WCS out to the 3-pt line, and then the opponent is turned into a jump shooting team. Perimeter defenders can play up more on their man because of the barricade at the rim behind them. They will either have to hit 3's to beat the Mavs or somebody will have to go old school and display a dominant mid-range shooting game to be able to score enough to win.

I was actually going to make a fairly lengthy post about defense and defensive philosophy but didn't really have the time and didn't think many would have any interest in it. The gist of it though was the fact that in today's NBA with the focus on the 3-pt shot, I think a big in the middle at 5 as a rim protector is a necessity because he allows perimeter defenders to play more aggressive defense knowing that there is somebody behind them who can clean up their mess if their man gets around them and drives the hoop. This is a very effective way to eliminate the layup drill, which is exactly where an undersized DP was most defensively exploited imo.

People tend to look at stats like blocks out of context too much imo. Take Boban for instance. He doesn't have a lot of blocks in the stats that people would expect for his size, so you hear this garbage about how he's not a shot-blocker. Anybody who actually watches a game will notice that when he's in the middle, the number of drives to the basket basically drop to zero, unless he gets pulled out to the edges of the paint and isn't under the basket. If nobody drives the basket because he's in the way, then it's kind of hard to get some good stats for shot blocking around the rim where he's planted wouldn't you think? Unfortunately, some people just don't get this cuz.... STATS! For some people this is obvious. For others, it doesn't matter how many times you explain it, they just don't get it. It really is true when it's said that "I can explain it to you, but I can't UNDERSTAND it for you."

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Except that Brunson hasn't done squat to earn the start and minutes he got tonight. Typical "old" Rick would just start Barea and DNP Brunson. But he didn't. He knows that Brunson has to, at the very least, increase his value and provide more for this team. Obviously the Mavs being short handed helps in this decision, but it's ridiculous to think it wasn't a good coaching move.

Key now is for Brunson to learn to contribute in less minutes, but that just isn't his game. He needs to pound the rock out to be effective.
Or it could be because it's b2b games and JJ doesn't need to be taxed like that especially vs the Hawks.

Not saying it wasn't a good move but I don't buy that it was a stroke of genius from Rick either.
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Agree. Put those guys in a zone instead of some ridiculous man defense where switching ends up pulling a KP, Boban, or WCS out to the 3-pt line, and then the opponent is turned into a jump shooting team. Perimeter defenders can play up more on their man because of the barricade at the rim behind them. They will either have to hit 3's to beat the Mavs or somebody will have to go old school and display a dominant mid-range shooting game to be able to score enough to win.

I was actually going to make a fairly lengthy post about defense and defensive philosophy but didn't really have the time and didn't think many would have any interest in it. The gist of it though was the fact that in today's NBA with the focus on the 3-pt shot, I think a big in the middle at 5 as a rim protector is a necessity because he allows perimeter defenders to play more aggressive defense knowing that there is somebody behind them who can clean up their mess if their man gets around them and drives the hoop. People tend to look at stats like blocks out of context too much imo. Take Boban for instance. He doesn't have a lot of blocks in the stats that people would expect for his size, so you hear this garbage about how he's not a shot-blocker. Anybody who actually watches a game will notice that when he's in the middle, the number of drives to the basket basically drop to zero, unless he gets pulled out to the edges of the paint and isn't under the basket. If nobody drives the basket because he's in the way, then it's kind of hard to get some good stats for shot blocking wouldn't you think? Unfortunately, some people just don't get this cuz.... STATS! For some people this is obvious. For others, it doesn't matter how many times you explain it, they just don't get it. It really is true when it's said that "I can explain it to you, but I can't UNDERSTAND it for you."
Stats definitely have a place here imo but they are over used and lack context plenty.
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Stats definitely have a place here imo but they are over used and lack context plenty.
Exactly. Nobody is saying they aren't useful, but context is critical to avoid misapplication.

Edit: Maxi and KP provide another way of thinking about it. Both are effective defenders and shot blockers, but does anybody actually think that an offensive player looking to drive the bucket sees virtually no difference between Maxi or KP under the rim when considering whether or not to drive the hoop? I would argue that there is a noticeable difference that not only impacts the offensive player's decision, but also the manner in which he attacks the basket - if he decides to do so. Just something to think about that doesn't show up in stats.

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Agree. Put those guys in a zone instead of some ridiculous man defense where switching ends up pulling a KP, Boban, or WCS out to the 3-pt line, and then the opponent is turned into a jump shooting team. Perimeter defenders can play up more on their man because of the barricade at the rim behind them. They will either have to hit 3's to beat the Mavs or somebody will have to go old school and display a dominant mid-range shooting game to be able to score enough to win.

I was actually going to make a fairly lengthy post about defense and defensive philosophy but didn't really have the time and didn't think many would have any interest in it. The gist of it though was the fact that in today's NBA with the focus on the 3-pt shot, I think a big in the middle at 5 as a rim protector is a necessity because he allows perimeter defenders to play more aggressive defense knowing that there is somebody behind them who can clean up their mess if their man gets around them and drives the hoop. This is a very effective way to eliminate the layup drill, which is exactly where an undersized DP was most defensively exploited imo.

People tend to look at stats like blocks out of context too much imo. Take Boban for instance. He doesn't have a lot of blocks in the stats that people would expect for his size, so you hear this garbage about how he's not a shot-blocker. Anybody who actually watches a game will notice that when he's in the middle, the number of drives to the basket basically drop to zero, unless he gets pulled out to the edges of the paint and isn't under the basket. If nobody drives the basket because he's in the way, then it's kind of hard to get some good stats for shot blocking around the rim where he's planted wouldn't you think? Unfortunately, some people just don't get this cuz.... STATS! For some people this is obvious. For others, it doesn't matter how many times you explain it, they just don't get it. It really is true when it's said that "I can explain it to you, but I can't UNDERSTAND it for you."
The NBA and NFL are both becoming more about speed and spacing/spreading than size and power.
I think that battle will be on display later today in the NFL, and even though I'm an avid Chiefs fan, I think power will prevail and the 49ers will win.

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The NBA and NFL are both becoming more about speed and spacing/spreading than size and power.
I think that battle will be on display later today in the NFL, and even though I'm an avid Chiefs fan, I think power will prevail and the 49ers will win.
Yes, the pendulum always seems to swing one way (copycats tend to want to replicate the champion's strategy) until somebody else topples them with a heterodox strategy. Then the game will evolve to either counter or incorporate the new strategy. IMO, the Lakers have a great shot at winning it all this year, not only do they have Lebron and AD, but they've got an absolutely huge lineup that will just punk these smaller 3-pt shooting builds they are likely to face in the playoffs. Over the course of a 7-game series, the Lakers are going to be hard to topple with their size.

Also, you have to keep in mind the size of an NBA court. It is fixed and limited, and the increasing size of players and their length makes for less space. This is why spacing is such a huge focus. "Poor" spacing equals less space, and this can really hamper a team's speed advantage. If a bigger team controls the boards, and eliminates second chance points and plays solid defense, then the opponent's speed will pretty much be relegated to fast breaks for maximum impact, and larger teams can adjust their play to limit - I didn't say eliminate - fast break opportunities, so imo advantage size. "You can't coach size" is such a great axiom as it pertains to basketball. Also, size in the paint doesn't mean no speed on the wings or with other perimeter defenders. You can have both, and I think the mix of the 2 - size and defense in the paint with the speed and length on the perimeter for defense at the 3-pt line is the sweet spot. The Mavs haven't nailed down the paint part, and that's been my main issue with the team all season.

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Was reading some of the Hawks forums and it was absolutely appalling. None of the fans have the balls to admit that Trae is an absolute liability on defense. Happy to be on this forum where no one shys away from calling out Luka when heís becoming a chucker.

Anyways we absolutely won that trade. I literally could not believe how small, weak, and poor on defense Young was.
Trae Young is really good

Yes he struggles defensively but that was the knock on him coming out of college

He's simply not big enough to defend on the NBA level

But you could also make the same argument for Steph curry even to this to day he struggles to defend

You just have to surround those guys with great defenders to limit their exposure which is what Golden state did for years with Klay, Draymond and Iggy

Young is phenomenal offensive player playing on a poor hawks team that really has no defensive help for him and very little talent around him outside of John Collins

He may not be as good as luka but young is going to be an all star for many years to come he just needs to get the hell out of atlanta once his rookie deal ends
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People tend to look at stats like blocks out of context too much imo. Take Boban for instance. He doesn't have a lot of blocks in the stats that people would expect for his size, so you hear this garbage about how he's not a shot-blocker. Anybody who actually watches a game will notice that when he's in the middle, the number of drives to the basket basically drop to zero, unless he gets pulled out to the edges of the paint and isn't under the basket. If nobody drives the basket because he's in the way, then it's kind of hard to get some good stats for shot blocking around the rim where he's planted wouldn't you think? Unfortunately, some people just don't get this cuz.... STATS! For some people this is obvious. For others, it doesn't matter how many times you explain it, they just don't get it. It really is true when it's said that "I can explain it to you, but I can't UNDERSTAND it for you."
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I know the league is going small and all but for just a few minutes when we played Houston the other night I would have loved to see the Mavs throw a lineup of KP/Boban/WCS/Maxi/Wright at that midget lineup just for the entertainment value if nothing else.

I understand that the big guys couldn't keep up with the smaller players but how in the world would those 6'6 and under guys handle those monster 7 footers in the paint?

This is what drives me crazy about the mavs

I've always said that we try to matchup with other teams instead of forcing teams to matchup with us

I checked out a little of the Rockerts game they started the same small ball lineup but New Orleams didn't change their starters

Both favors and Zion started at their natural positions

Now you would assume favors would be deemed a bad matchup vs Houston small ball but the pelicans stuck with starting

Based on what I've seen from kleber and WCS either one of them could have survived next to KP in that game and who knows maybe you punish the rockets on the offensive glass or get lob dunks all game with WCS

I just wish for once the mavs would stick with a big lineup and force the opposition to change
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Old 02-02-2020, 04:39 PM   #142
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This is what drives me crazy about the mavs

I've always said that we try to matchup with other teams instead of forcing teams to matchup with us

I checked out a little of the Rockerts game they started the same small ball lineup but New Orleams didn't change their starters

Both favors and Zion started at their natural positions

Now you would assume favors would be deemed a bad matchup vs Houston small ball but the pelicans stuck with starting

Based on what I've seen from kleber and WCS either one of them could have survived next to KP in that game and who knows maybe you punish the rockets on the offensive glass or get lob dunks all game with WCS

I just wish for once the mavs would stick with a big lineup and force the opposition to change
I don't have a problem so much with Rick's rotations like you do but I just thought that might have been a good opportunity to throw some giants out there to see if it would disrupt the Rockets...especially the way MWB and Harden drive to the basket.

Make them beat you with the 3 and take your chances because if it works they would have had absolutely no answer or way to counter.
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Old 02-02-2020, 05:45 PM   #143
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Trae Young is really good

Yes he struggles defensively but that was the knock on him coming out of college

He's simply not big enough to defend on the NBA level

But you could also make the same argument for Steph curry even to this to day he struggles to defend

You just have to surround those guys with great defenders to limit their exposure which is what Golden state did for years with Klay, Draymond and Iggy

Young is phenomenal offensive player playing on a poor hawks team that really has no defensive help for him and very little talent around him outside of John Collins

He may not be as good as luka but young is going to be an all star for many years to come he just needs to get the hell out of atlanta once his rookie deal ends
Nobody on his level bails on the team that drafted them after their rookie deal. Too much money he would be leaving on the table. They leave after their 2nd contract when they're like 28.

But what about staying where you are drafted and making the team better? Thankfully Dirk didnt want to bail on what many considered a loser franchise at the time. We all better hope Luka doesnt feel the way you think one day if he hasnt won a ring.

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Trae Young getting abused by Brunson is all the evidence I need to confirm the story around Young that he is a terrible defender. He'll score a lot of points and get some assists, but he will always be a liability.
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Trae Young getting abused by Brunson is all the evidence I need to confirm the story around Young that he is a terrible defender. He'll score a lot of points and get some assists, but he will always be a liability.
Agreed. Brunson is arguably the kind of player Young should have the least difficulty guarding and he was dominated. Comparing Young to Curry is a huge disservice to Curry who has more physical skills and smarts, and plays defense with more effort.
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Trae Young getting abused by Brunson is all the evidence I need to confirm the story around Young that he is a terrible defender. He'll score a lot of points and get some assists, but he will always be a liability.
But everyone knew coming in he's was going to struggle defending on the nba level

At the end the day young is a stud and Brunson is never going to be a better player than him.

I understand as mavs fans we will always affiliate young and luka but despite his lack of defense dude is going to spend years being an all star and basing this off one game is meaningless there isn't too many GM'S who wouldn't take him on their team even with the defensive issues
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But everyone knew coming in he's was going to struggle defending on the nba level

At the end the day young is a stud and Brunson is never going to be a better player than him.

I understand as mavs fans we will always affiliate young and luka but despite his lack of defense dude is going to spend years being an all star and basing this off one game is meaningless there isn't too many GM'S who wouldn't take him on their team even with the defensive issues
No one is disagreeing that heís a phenomenal shooter, distributor, and all around offensive player. The point is he is literally one of the worst defenders in the league. He will always be the key to the Hawks offense. He will also be the focal point of the other teamís offense as they seek to make him D up one-on-one. Of course his offense makes him worth it, but he certainly will never be as complete a player as Luka, MJ, Kobe, or even Curry.
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He’s not just one of the worst in the league, he’s one of the worst defenders Ever in the league
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No one is disagreeing that heís a phenomenal shooter, distributor, and all around offensive player. The point is he is literally one of the worst defenders in the league. He will always be the key to the Hawks offense. He will also be the focal point of the other teamís offense as they seek to make him D up one-on-one. Of course his offense makes him worth it, but he certainly will never be as complete a player as Luka, MJ, Kobe, or even Curry.
Can we pump the brakes when comparing these young guys to the likes of Jordan or Kobe

You have to sustain longevity and win rings 1st and that's multiple rings.

Sometimes we jump to crown guys before they've accomplished anything and the opposite of that we jump to claim what a guy can't do not knowing what he'll look like as a player in year 5 as opposed to year 2
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From Brunson beasts on Young therefor Rick is a genius, to young is no Curry in seconds.
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I’m not sure what we’re debating here, all I know is that Brunson feasted on Trae and Trae did not feast on Brunson, which got us the win... I’ll take it. Everything else is just noise.
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At the end the day young is a stud and Brunson is never going to be a better player than him.
I've wondered about this since they were drafted, especially given Brunson's highly successful and decorated college career. Trae is putting up his numbers with amazing efficiency for a 2nd year player. In college and now presumably, he's got better teammates than Trae for sure, but if Brunson were given free reign to run the team and green light to shoot from wherever and whenever he wanted, how would he do?
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Source: Mavs turned down a trade, Brunson for Trae young straight up.
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Source: Mavs turned down a trade, Brunson for Trae young straight up.
Only if they throw in Cam Reddish and Chandler Parsons.
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