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Old 11-13-2017, 05:03 PM   #41
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Still looking for what people see in Doncic being a top 5 pick
averaging 21-7-4 for Real Madrid in a very competitive league
Dude has a crazy jumper with range. He's shooting almost 50-40-90 in a tough league. Dude can shoot from anywhere
He's smooth and does a little of everything. Reminds me a lot of Klay Thompson with better rebounding. Just so skilled and crafty.
He's got excellent size. At 6'7" or 6"8" he can play the 2 or 3.

About the only thing he lacks is lateral movement for defense. He's got an incredibly high IQ for being so young and plays team defense well, but his individual defense is limited. His size will help and team defense is better than individual. Also there aren't that many SGs/SFs that are incredibly athletic anymore. LeBrons are the exception. The average team has a Gay, George, Anthony, etc-- crafty players but none are pure athleticism.
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Still looking for what people see in Doncic being a top 5 pick
Quick observations: He's dominating grown men. At 18. He's a leader. Steps up in big moments. Outstanding court vision and handles at 6'7. Uses both hands. Already strong. Nose for rebounds. Uses different release points to make up for lack of elite athleticism. Plays with passion and flair but smart and in control.

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Erica beat me to it

I like the Klay comparison, only add Rubio's court vision.
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This is a five-person draft IMO... there's a big drop to the second tier of players (M. Bridges, R. Williams, J. Jackson Jr.) who are actually pretty talented (which speaks volumes about the top 5).

My 5 is:

1) Porter Jr.
2) Ayton
3) Doncic
4) Bagley
5) Bamba

but I'm sure that will change later this season.
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I'd say Ayton is probably the best pick for us team building-wise, but I see Doncic as the the best fit with RC. Doncic is an incredibly skilled, multi-positional threat that can shoot, handle, and pass the ball. He's the perfect player for Carlisle's flow offense. That said, my pick is Ayton as he just looks like he's going to be dominant.
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This is a five-person draft IMO... there's a big drop to the second tier of players (M. Bridges, R. Williams, J. Jackson Jr.) who are actually pretty talented (which speaks volumes about the top 5).

My 5 is:

1) Porter Jr.
2) Ayton
3) Doncic
4) Bagley
5) Bamba

but I'm sure that will change later this season.
i know it's early but am wondering the comps for Porter.
There's that cool video of him and DSJ from a few years ago going 1v1.
Is he a Durant starter kit type? he's listed at #1 in many mocks.
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DSJ/Ayton is a cheap, young, high-upside core that addresses the two most difficult/important positions to fill in this league... And they both play their position the *right* way, which would make it a lot easier to build around them (unlike trying to build around an oddity like Dirk, which took a very special blend to get right).

I'm fine with keeping Barnes as our eventual Robin, love Yogi as a spark off the bench, wouldn't mind Mejri sticking around as our backup center, and want to see what we have in Curry, as well as younger guys like Kleber, DFS, Motely, Clavell, etc.

Obviously, Dirk/Barea/Harris aren't in the longterm plans, but all three have been excellent player-coaches this season, so I'm fine with them sticking around year-to-year on the cheap until our younger guys blossom -- just not at the expense of upside youth. I have a feeling Dirk retires after this year anyway. I could see Devin getting re-signed if Curry walks and Rick thinks he'll be of value to Smith Jr.'s development, otherwise we let him move on. Same with Barea after next year.

Wes is fine -- he's overpaid, but that doesn't matter right now since we're not really players in the FA market... We'll either trade him or let him walk when he expires. He's not in the longterm plans.

Powell is straight-garbage, and hopefully Rick is just playing him a bunch to try to increase his trade value (which isn't working), but I get the feeling it's more about trying to get him to grow into his paycheck... Easily my least-favorite player to watch on this team, but we're stuck with him for now.

Honestly, I'm fine with trading anyone on this roster aside from Dennis Smith Jr. -- I believe our rebuild plans changed massively when we landed him, and I think a guy like Ayton would be the perfect fit for our current course (although you could make Porter, Doncic, Bamba, etc. work too)... Stack picks, stack assets to trade for picks, build from within, then slaughter the FA market in a couple years when we have a ton of cap space to surround our blossoming talent.

Boom, back in the playoffs. Trust the process.
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I really hope these young centers develop to change the center position in the NBA a bit. If you add them to Embiid, then we finally might have something in a position that has been lacking for years.
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Good college game tomorrow night.....Bagley III/Trent Jr. vs. Jackson Jr./Bridges.

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Porter played one game of 2pts, 2 reb and then missed the second game with a hip injury.

Lots can happen this year. Porter staying strong on draft boards but disappointing games combined with injuries could mix things up
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His per 48 is 48pts, 48 rebounds!
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Porter kinda scares me because what I get from reading/hearing about him seems to indicate he is a little soft but isn't necessarily a bad thing at SF I guess.
He does seem like a perfect fit in Rick's system and with DSJ.

If Bagley, Ayton and Doncic are gone when we pick he will probably be a no-brainer but we'll just have to see how this plays out over the next 6 months.

I do think Porter/Ayton could very well become another Durant/Oden situation on draft night.

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Porter kinda scares me because what I get from reading/hearing about him seems to indicate he is a little soft but isn't necessarily a bad thing at SF I guess.
He does seem like a perfect fit in Rick's system and with DSJ.

If Bagley, Ayton and Doncic are gone when we pick he will probably be a no-brainer but we'll just have to see how this plays out over the next 6 months.

I do think Porter/Ayton could very well become another Durant/Oden situation on draft night.
Dirk is "soft". Durant is "soft".

Both have rings.
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Both have rings.
Dirk actually earned his the hard way.
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Dirk is "soft". Durant is "soft".

Both have rings.
Those two guys are also the best shooting forwards of all time. So, as long as Porter has greatest ever shooting abilities, then yeah, it won't matter.

Soft is an overused term anyway. The only player that I've seen who is unquestionably soft recently is Dwight Powell.
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No doubt his was harder earned. The point is that soft is a crap label. Dirk and Durant have championships. For as "tough" as Melo, Westbrook, etc. are-- none have a 'ship.
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Math checks out.
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No doubt his was harder earned. The point is that soft is a crap label. Dirk and Durant have championships. For as "tough" as Melo, Westbrook, etc. are-- none have a 'ship.
I think it depends on the position and who they have around them. And players can be mentally soft so I don't necessarily see it as a crap label.
As I mentioned, SFs don't necessarily have to be tough because the PGs have the ball more and centers and/or power forwards are normally grinding in the paint and doing the dirty work.

Dirk won that championship with 4 pretty tough dudes as starters. And I see Dirk as one of the most mentally tough guys ever to play the game and he did a lot of the dirty work in his prime so he is a terrible example of someone who is soft imo.

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Good college game tomorrow night.....Bagley III/Trent Jr. vs. Jackson Jr./Bridges.
Duke's recruiting is ridiculous year after year.
Duval their pg is also projected as a possible lottery pick.
their next year's class is equally ridiculous with RJ Barrett signing there recently.

Good for Miles Bridges to go back and try to win a championship
He seems like a solid character as well as an amazing talent.
so many one and dones now that it's hard to project how these guys will do in the NBA and many lack the maturity to succeed (like NN)
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Duke's recruiting is ridiculous year after year.
Duval their pg is also projected as a possible lottery pick.
their next year's class is equally ridiculous with RJ Barrett signing there recently.

Good for Miles Bridges to go back and try to win a championship
He seems like a solid character as well as an amazing talent.
so many one and dones now that it's hard to project how these guys will do in the NBA and many lack the maturity to succeed (like NN)
Yeah, Duke's and Kentucky's recruiting is off the charts. I'll be switching back and forth between the Duke/Mich St game and Mavs and then Kansas/Kentucky and Mavs.

Great night for basketball....especially being a Mavs and Jayhawks fan.

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too bad Bagley didn't play much
unable to watch... how did Bridges and Jackson look?

Looks like Grayson Allen played well but can't stand the thought of him on our team... hope he plays well enough for some other team to snatch him up.
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unable to watch... how did Bridges and Jackson look?

Looks like Grayson Allen played well but can't stand the thought of him on our team... hope he plays well enough for some other team to snatch him up.
If CP3 was a Clipper still that would be the absolute no brainer pick ever to me. Fits right in with those a holes. Now it just means I'm torn on whether he should be a Clipper, a Rocket, a GSW, or an outside shot at being a new Bowen for the Spurs.
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Yea...I'll be honest and say if he continues to stay clean this season, I wouldn't mind Grayson Allen if he's there at the top of round 2. Too good of a player to let the tripping influence what talent I'd want the Mavs to snatch up. Especially with the SG position in flux for the future. All become moot if Curry is what we hope he can be and re-signs here.
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Bagley took a nasty shot to the eye and they held him out the rest of the way. He looked good for the time he was in.

Jaren Jackson Jr. is someone who can creep up draft boards this season. If he can shoot the 3 ball with any sort of consistency, he adds an element to his game. His shot was awkward at the top, but they were going in and the motion seemed smooth.

Miles Bridges continues to be really good.

Kevin Knox had a good showing against a good team. I think he's a lottery pick, but not confident to say top 10.

Hamidou Diallo is so explosive, but that may be all he has at this point. He needs to develop a shot to open up his game.

Kentucky as a whole was fairly unimpressive. That may be unfair as I'm kind of comparing to their previous squads, but it will be hard for them to advance deep into the tourney, in my opinion.

Kansas will be a really good college squad, but none of their players excite me, if only for 2nd round flyers.

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Jaren Jackson Jr. is someone who can creep up draft boards this season. If he can shoot the 3 ball with any sort of consistency, he adds an element to his game. His shot was awkward at the top, but they were going in and the motion seemed smooth.

Miles Bridges continues to be really good.
These are two of my favorite guys if we somehow end up picking in the 6-10 range... I'd put Jackson Jr. right there at #6.
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Draft Deandre Ayton/ BPA in 2nd
Exercise options on Dirk, DFS, and Kleber
Sign Marcus Smart and hope Celtics don't match to avoid luxury tax
Resign Salah, Yogi, Curry
Let Harris, McRoberts, Nerlens, Withey walk


Ayton - Salah
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Wes - DFS
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With our second round pick that's 14, fill out the roster with BPA or Clavell.
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Draft Deandre Ayton/ BPA in 2nd
Exercise options on Dirk, DFS, and Kleber
Sign Marcus Smart and hope Celtics don't match to avoid luxury tax
Resign Salah, Yogi, Curry
Let Harris, McRoberts, Nerlens, Withey walk


Ayton - Salah
Barnes - Dirk - Powell - Kleber
Wes - DFS
Smart - Curry
Smith - Yogi - JJB

With our second round pick that's 14, fill out the roster with BPA or Clavell.
Obviously we'll see where things go over the course of the season, but that's not a bad plan at this point.
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I don't understand the Marcus Smart appeal. Seems he always gets brought up. His offense is somehow a bigger blackhole than Wes. And that's saying something. This season... Idk what historically bad is but 28%fg 27%3pt from a guard has to be bordering on historically bad.
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I don't understand the Marcus Smart appeal. Seems he always gets brought up. His offense is somehow a bigger blackhole than Wes. And that's saying something. This season... Idk what historically bad is but 28%fg 27%3pt from a guard has to be bordering on historically bad.
He seems like a "winning player" whenever I watch, whatever that means. Kind of the way J-Kidd was in his last couple years here. Seems to always come up with a timely deflection, pass, rebound or basket. Interesting read here: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/m...tate-warriors/
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Exercise options on Dirk, DFS, and Kleber
Sign Marcus Smart and hope Celtics don't match to avoid luxury tax
Resign Salah, Yogi, Curry
Let Harris, McRoberts, Nerlens, Withey walk


Ayton - Salah
Barnes - Dirk - Powell - Kleber
Wes - DFS
Smart - Curry
Smith - Yogi - JJB

With our second round pick that's 14, fill out the roster with BPA or Clavell.
Not a bad plan for the most part but you kinda lost me on Smart. I honestly see no way he fits this team....would rather have a sharp shooter 3-D guy at SG.
I also think this should be Wes' last year of starting.

We also need to parley some of those players like Noel into draft picks at TDL and then hopefully get active on draft night to move up in the draft.
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Jerami Grant may be worth a flyer this summer. He's a UFA. Super athletic, long, strong and a vet but still only 23. Watched every game of his at Syracuse. Nice kid not hyper- competitive, has a tendency to coast. His shooting seems to be down this season but has a good enough looking release. If he ever gets a consistent 3 ball look out. Obvious pedigree. He went 39th overall a few years back. He's exactly the kind of guy MBT should've been targeting, if, you know, they valued that sort of thing. Worth throwing MLE money at?
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Jerami Grant may be worth a flyer this summer. He's a UFA. Super athletic, long, strong and a vet but still only 23. Watched every game of his at Syracuse. Nice kid not hyper- competitive, has a tendency to coast. His shooting seems to be down this season but has a good enough looking release. If he ever gets a consistent 3 ball look out. Obvious pedigree. He went 39th overall a few years back. He's exactly the kind of guy MBT should've been targeting, if, you know, they valued that sort of thing. Worth throwing MLE money at?
I don't know much about him....sounds like his game is a little similar to DFS's.
I thought he looked pretty good against us a few games ago though.
Kept thinking he was Jerian Grant and wondered how he grew several inches .
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I honestly dont care WHO we are signing in the FA. I just hope it will be someone on a value contract, so that we have the option to switch him for an expiring + First. Same goes with new contracts for Seth or Yogi.

If you see the Bledsoe trade, no way in hell we are getting for Wes even a ultra late First. Or for Seth on an expiring contract.
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I honestly dont care WHO we are signing in the FA. I just hope it will be someone on a value contract, so that we have the option to switch him for an expiring + First. Same goes with new contracts for Seth or Yogi.

If you see the Bledsoe trade, no way in hell we are getting for Wes even a ultra late First. Or for Seth on an expiring contract.
Nope. They missed the window on dealing both- as per usual. Have they ever sold high?? In Seth's case it was at least understandable. Last draft was super deep with guys that will be contributors for many years. They should've done whatever it took, aside from trading Dirk, to stockpile picks in both rounds. Do they even employ scouts?

Slim chance of Salah and or JJ to a contender for a prospect. Or Wes for Asik type deal where we get additional assets, which MBT would never do.

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I don't know much about him....sounds like his game is a little similar to DFS's.
I thought he looked pretty good against us a few games ago though.
Kept thinking he was Jerian Grant and wondered how he grew several inches .
Haha yeah thats his brother. Harvey Grant's son. He's definitely better and more skilled, stronger and more athletic than DFS , though I can see the resemblance. Has some ball handling, mid-range. At Cuse he had some post up game and could turn and face and either hit the mid range J or drive. Just wasn't consistent about it and played on a team where he was the 3rd or 4th option and would disappear for long stretches. REALLY should've stayed one more year in school to come back and be "the man" and develop his offensive game. Would've gone in the teens most likely too the next year.

Anyway, he might be a good MLE type who is still 4 yrs or so away from hitting his prime and has looked good with increased playing time.
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Nope. They missed the window on dealing both- as per usual. Have they ever sold high??
Devin Harris for Jason Kidd... Josh Howard for Caron Butler, DeSean Stevenson, and Brendan Haywood.
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Touche

Although I will quibble that they didn't sell HIGH on Josh(no pun intended). The return was great of course. But there were talks of Josh and Devin, etc. for Kobe or some such thing. And it was nearly a decade(!) ago now. God, where has my life gone...

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