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Old 10-28-2020, 06:44 PM   #281
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We lost Silas and the Sixers gained Morey

Now is the time to call up the Sixers and offer Curry for Thybulle and Z. Smith. Morey needs shooters and Mavs need a wing defender of Thybulle's caliber.
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Now is the time to call up the Sixers and offer Curry for Thybulle and Z. Smith. Morey needs shooters and Mavs need a wing defender of Thybulle's caliber.
I would be interested but I think the Sixers are focusing on Chris Paul first. Paul for Horford needs a few tweaks to make it work
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Now is the time to call up the Sixers and offer Curry for Thybulle and Z. Smith. Morey needs shooters and Mavs need a wing defender of Thybulle's caliber.
Would love Zhaire. Think I mentioned this before but I think he looked good in G League. Great buy low. Would go top 10 in this draft easy.

We would have to add #18 Or something else good to Seth to get both
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67a9FWYZT7U

Pretty decent breakdown on the "Mavs want to trade for a third star" rumors. I agree with this guy's take. Long story short, I think we're better off running it back this year and improving on the margins, and then making the big swing next summer.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2Y38HgYvYg

Bill Simmons saying he thinks Giannis should come to Dallas, because if he teams up with Luka, they will win titles. Not the title, but titles, as in plural. I totally agree.

His constant fangasming over Luka is so much fun to listen to. He also says in this video that he thinks Luka has the potential to be one of the 6 or 7 best players ever.

I did chuckle when Bill said "if in five years from now Luka's averaging 45% from three..." I'd say that's a pretty damn big if. At this rate, I'll be happy if Luka pulls it up to 35%. Still, gotta love the enthusiasm.

(Giannis talk starts at about 2:25.)
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I have no idea who this guy is or if he got it from that Townsend DMN article, but not much else to talk about until the draft...

https://twitter.com/kylecohenNBA/sta...87927568400385
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I have no idea who this guy is or if he got it from that Townsend DMN article, but not much else to talk about until the draft...

https://twitter.com/kylecohenNBA/sta...87927568400385
No thanks. He's a nice player, but nowhere near worth his price tag.
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No thanks. He's a nice player, but nowhere near worth his price tag.
And if the Mavs were interested, then it still shines that spotlight right back to last year's crappy free agency.

But I agree. Tons of stuff being leaked about the Mavs recently.

I mean, are teams even allowed to make trades right now?
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And if the Mavs were interested, then it still shines that spotlight right back to last year's crappy free agency.

But I agree. Tons of stuff being leak about the Mavs recently.

I mean, are teams even allowed to make trades right now?
I have a feeling the off-season is halfway over already, and that these dudes are going to be tweeting their asses off at 12:01 on the day it officially begins.

Lots of chatter about that, and we know teams are super freaked out about the condensed time period.

I also think that the scads of rumors about Dallas right now are very likely just disinformation meant as motivation to whomever they're actually negotiating. Unfortunately, there's no way for us to tell what's real and what's not. But, that Townsend article was so completely over-the-top GENERAL (we're doing EVERYTHING!) that my take away was the feeling that they're subtly trying to communicate with someone really specific that they have other options.
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It was Tobias Harris.
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That's all you need to know about the validity of it. Oh twitter...
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The tweet was apparently referencing something Townsend said last offseason about the Mavs' potential interest in Tobias Harris. I hope it goes without saying that we now have zero interest in adding him to our roster. By my math, he'll be something like the 15th highest-paid player in the league next season, and I don't think he's even a top 75 player. That would be nothing short of a cap disaster for us. Glad its already been debunked so I can stop huffing paint as a coping mechanism.
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Mavs love advanced stats. Advanced stats hate Tobias Harris.
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The tweet was apparently referencing something Townsend said last offseason about the Mavs' potential interest in Tobias Harris. I hope it goes without saying that we now have zero interest in adding him to our roster. By my math, he'll be something like the 15th highest-paid player in the league next season, and I don't think he's even a top 75 player. That would be nothing short of a cap disaster for us. Glad its already been debunked so I can stop huffing paint as a coping mechanism.
I have no issue with paying Tobias HArris 35million next season. Next to Doncic, I could see him shooting 40-42% from three and defending relatively well. He was a top defensive player.

The problem I have is paying Harris 38/39 million the two seasons after.

Decent (not amazing) player, but that salary is gross, particularly with the cap potentially falling by 8 digits.
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Yeah, the only way Harris makes sense (for anyone) is if he's the pill you have to swallow to get Simmons or Embiid. I don't think they'll look to move either of them this season, as they have to love the talent and hope they can make it work. That's why they're spending so much to shake up their coaching staff and front office right now.

But in the future? If I ran that team, I'd have given up on Embiid already. I just don't see a winner, personally. He has all the talent in the world, but I don't think you can overcome a situation wherein your best player has issues with effort and conditioning.
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I would not accept Harris to get Simmons. Ew, David.

I don't think I'd even accept Harris to get Embiid. That would be one weird roster.

I'm not sure Doncic/Harris/Embiid would be that much better than SImmons/Harris/Embiid.
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I would not accept Harris to get Simmons. Ew, David.

I don't think I'd even accept Harris to get Embiid. That would be one weird roster.

I'm not sure Doncic/Harris/Embiid would be that much better than SImmons/Harris/Embiid.
I wouldn't do it for EMBIID, personally, with or without Doncic. Some team might do that eventually though.

Why would you not do it for Simmons? Imagine Simmons here in the Dwight Powell role. I think the Mavs would do that without thinking twice.

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Hell yeah I’d take Harris if it meant we get Simmons. They can even have our picks. Simmons as roll man would be insane and he’s a top defender. And Harris is a good player!
Never happening though.
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76ers have shown what a team with no spacing does in the playoffs (nothing). Stay away from deals with them unless itís for Thybulle who will win DPOY at least once in his career.
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76ers have shown what a team with no spacing does in the playoffs (nothing). Stay away from deals with them unless itís for Thybulle who will win DPOY at least once in his career.
Nobody is a bigger fan of spacing than I am, believe me. And obviously, Simmonsí reluctance to even attempt to shoot is the downside to his game. I just think Simmons would work here in a way that would be pretty similar to how they envision Giannis working.

Heíd be an insanely dynamic roll man (which Carlisle uses effectively to create space, btw) who could morph (during the same possession) into a secondary playmaker when the first action breaks down. Heíd give them another insanely dangerous combination (in addition to Luka) of rebounding, outlet passing and handling/playmaking in transition. Heíd be another dominant option through which you can run your offense while Luka is on the bench. Theyíd finally have the option of playing Luka off-ball for some stretches. Heíd instantly elevate the team defensively with his imposing, physical, switchable presence.

Would they have to adjust slightly to account for Simmonsí shooting? Of course, but the difference there isnít that far away from how they played with Powell, or how they would play with Giannis. The benefits would faaaar outweigh the downside. To me, itís an absolute and total no-brainer.

But, as someone already said, thereís no way Philly is ready to have conversations like that.
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Nobody is a bigger fan of spacing than I am, believe me. And obviously, Simmons’ reluctance to even attempt to shoot is the downside to his game. I just think Simmons would work here in a way that would be pretty similar to how they envision Giannis working.

He’d be an insanely dynamic roll man (which Carlisle uses effectively to create space, btw) who could morph (during the same possession) into a secondary playmaker when the first action breaks down. He’d give them another insanely dangerous combination (in addition to Luka) of rebounding, outlet passing and handling/playmaking in transition. He’d be another dominant option through which you can run your offense while Luka is on the bench. They’d finally have the option of playing Luka off-ball for some stretches. He’d instantly elevate the team defensively with his imposing, physical, switchable presence.

Would they have to adjust slightly to account for Simmons’ shooting? Of course, but the difference there isn’t that far away from how they played with Powell, or how they would play with Giannis. The benefits would faaaar outweigh the downside. To me, it’s an absolute and total no-brainer.

But, as someone already said, there’s no way Philly is ready to have conversations like that.
100% agree. Simmons is a special talent. He may be the worst shooter in the league, but he's elite at just about everything else.

And yeah, I'm pretty sure the Sixers know that, and if they do eventually have to trade one of their two stars (inevitable, I think) they will trade Embiid, not Simmons.

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A quick look down Bill Duffy's client list reveals the following players as free agents this off season.
I've been thinking, Luka being a rising star and Bill Duffy being his agent, it only benefits Bill to steer talent that could help Luka get that ring towards the mavericks. One thing we know is the mavs are keen on reclamation projects at the vet min and rick/donnie have done a masterful job each time they have taken a swing at bat (see Al farouq main, b. wright, etc). The question then becomes who on that list of Bill duffy's clients that's a free agent could benefit us at the min?

Here's a short list that may or may not accept the min in such a hard market to play with a playoff contender/dare i say title contender and repair they're value.

Moe Harkless (I'd do it in a heartbeat as a wing but not sure if he won't get offered more)
Andre Roberson (Defense and a lack of a shot but a wing and with Lu dort's emergence is he expendable in okc? Also does he want to stay for the rebuild)
Matthew Dellavedova (If JJ is truly out and you need an extra pesty Guard... assuming delon is trade bait sooner than later.. if he'd come cheap, would he be worth it?)
Festus ezeli (Long are his golden state days gone but dept at the big position which one can argue we have too much already but with the min....)
Lastly Dragic is a free agent... But so many things would have to fall for this to happen. Would bill encourage a Luka and Dragic reunion?
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Nice list. Wouldn’t mind Harkless but imagine he’ll get more then minimum. Part of MLE with Burke? Obviously would rather get one of the MLE guys who may take a one year deal to dip back in next off season in what will be a market more flush with cash.
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This is likely to happen to a few people. Iím pretty intrigued to find out who.
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I could definitely see Harkless taking a vet minimum deal or maybe the BAE/room/tax exception from a team that needs a wing. He's very up-and-down as a 3pt shooter but takes a large majority (80%+) of his shots either from 3 or right at the rim, and his assisted percentages (% of his makes that came from an assist by another player) are generally high. He's more of an innings-eater than a stopper on defense, but he's exactly the kind of guy we should be interested in adding on the margins. I suspect he'll be one of the many rotation-caliber guys that uses this season to try to rehab his value while the market is a little dry, so he'd likely sign with a contender for one of the smaller exceptions or maybe take an overpay from a lesser team that has a bigger role for him.

Other than our need for a secondary playmaker to take some burden off of Luka Ė and I think there's at least some argument to be made that Brunson can be that guy if a clear upgrade isn't on the market Ė we should be loading up on wings this offseason.
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I could definitely see Harkless taking a vet minimum deal or maybe the BAE/room/tax exception from a team that needs a wing. He's very up-and-down as a 3pt shooter but takes a large majority (80%+) of his shots either from 3 or right at the rim, and his assisted percentages (% of his makes that came from an assist by another player) are generally high. He's more of an innings-eater than a stopper on defense, but he's exactly the kind of guy we should be interested in adding on the margins. I suspect he'll be one of the many rotation-caliber guys that uses this season to try to rehab his value while the market is a little dry, so he'd likely sign with a contender for one of the smaller exceptions or maybe take an overpay from a lesser team that has a bigger role for him.

Other than our need for a secondary playmaker to take some burden off of Luka – and I think there's at least some argument to be made that Brunson can be that guy if a clear upgrade isn't on the market – we should be loading up on wings this offseason.
Very well put. Even as an innings eater we could really use him as a big body that can guard 3/4 and give us 15-25 minutes a night on the wing. He’s bigger and more physical than DFS who struggles with bigger wings. Harkless is kind of a poor mans Jerami Grant, who a lot of us covet but we likely can’t get in on.

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This is likely to happen to a few people. Iím pretty intrigued to find out who.
Me too. The question is, where in line are we for these guys. And what effect pandemic economics has on spending. I donít see Gallo taking a one year dealó I think he finds a way to a good team team thru SnT. Joe Harris would be filthy here but I think someone pays him more than MLE. Is Jerami Grant a victim of the market and forced to take less than we expect? Ibaka?

I keep circling back to Saric. He isnít exactly what we need and has griped about not starting in the past but I think he would be a nice secondary playmaker and RC could do wonders with his skill set. Luka gets him better quality looks then heís ever had and his shooting from 3 ticks up a bit. Not the defender or athlete we need but would really strengthen our rotation by adding another playmaker.
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Oh, the other guy is Christian Wood. Keep forgetting about him. Fascinated to see how he is valued. Does some team hand him 3yr-36m or 4/48? Does he represent a rare opportunity to get all-star potential at MLE prices or is he fools gold?
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Oh, the other guy is Christian Wood. Keep forgetting about him. Fascinated to see how he is valued. Does some team hand him 3yr-36m or 4/48? Does he represent a rare opportunity to get all-star potential at MLE prices or is he fools gold?
I think Christian Wood is interesting, actually.

Fans believe he's about to get PAID, and that he's an up and coming All-Star. That might be true.

Some well-informed NBA followers in the media have suggested that his market is likely to be in the MLE range, and that he has played well for one year, a contract year, no less. They remind us that just a couple of seasons ago he was CUT from a team in China for literally not being good enough to play there.

Was that a wake up call, jolting him into taking his career more seriously? Maybe. Will he get paid and then become lazy again? Maybe. We just don't know, but I would assume this kind of thinking at least means that the list of teams who are into the guy might be shorter than his fans believe.

Pretty interesting situation. The Mavs tend to avoid guys like that.
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UFA: Barea, Lee, MKG, Burke, Cleveland, Reaves
Team Option: Brunson ($1.67M)
Player Option: THJ ($18.98M), Cauley-Stein ($2.29M)
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Cap Space: None if THJ opts in (w/ $9.26M MLE), roughly $17.5M if THJ opts out (w/ $4.77M MLE)
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I anticipate THJ stays. WCS too.

We aren’t going to have cap space
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Judging by comments made by WCS recently about buying a home in Dallas and his IG posts all signs point to him staying here. He’s been wearing mostly Mavs gear in his workouts. He’s been putting in work this summer on his jumper and his dribble moves. I’m not ready to run ISO plays for him, but he definitely looks like a guy who wants to expand his game.
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WCS will opt in. He was always gong to opt in, and I highly doubt testing free agency was ever considered by either he or his team. He would need to get the BAE from someone to improve his salary this season, and while that's possible, it certainly isn't likely. Frankly, he's closer to having to go overseas to stay in pro basketball than he is to getting a multi-year deal at good money in the NBA.

Alternatively, Dallas and Carlisle have a long history of taking draft busts under their wings, rehabbing them and turning them into viable NBA players. I think this is very likely why WCS ended up in Dallas. I would imagine his plan for this season is to learn everything he can and then showcase himself (on a playoff team) just in time to be a FA in 2021, when loads of teams will have cap space.
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KP isn't going to start a Dec/Jan season so WCS could really come in and impress.

Plus if he's actually around for the POs, then KP will probably be injured again then.

He's not going to get a ton of burn with Powell, Kleber, Boban, and the occasionally healthy KP, but he's also probably not going to get a better contract with this uneasy freeagency.
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KP isn't going to start a Dec/Jan season so WCS could really come in and impress.

Plus if he's actually around for the POs, then KP will probably be injured again then.

He's not going to get a ton of burn with Powell, Kleber, Boban, and the occasionally healthy KP, but he's also probably not going to get a better contract with this uneasy freeagency.
I think WCS could get more PT than Boban this season if he shows any signs of improvement.
Also Powell and KP could be huge question marks all season so I could see WCS at least getting a good opportunity.
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WCS will opt in, but I bet there are a lot of bigs that go undrafted. I think tankathon has only two centers going in the first round which is rather shocking.
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To be fair, you gotta shoot in today’s NBA, even at center.

There are a few old school centers in this draft, but being big and slow in the middle and catching lobs barely qualifies you for the second round

Azubuike would be top 10 in 1990 when teams were desperate for rebounding and size inside.
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Lol reminds me of the time the Phoenix Suns drafted Deandre Ayton over Luka. Suns mightíve been in the WCF this year with Luka and Booker.
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Oh, the other guy is Christian Wood. Keep forgetting about him. Fascinated to see how he is valued. Does some team hand him 3yr-36m or 4/48? Does he represent a rare opportunity to get all-star potential at MLE prices or is he fools gold?

Yea don't. Don't forget about him. He would pair well with KP, but almost as importantly he would slide right into KP's role during Load Mgmt and when misses time to injury.
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