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Old 11-16-2020, 02:01 PM   #801
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- Harden if he stays
Also, I'm gonna go ahead and predict that Harden to the Nets does end up happening. There's just been too much mainstream reporting about it at this point for the talks not to be serious.
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Unless they pull of some major move that none of us can foresee, I think you actually can count the Spurs out this time.
Made the playoffs
Lakers - got better after winning a championship
Clippers - might explode? If they don't, they are a lock for the POs
Nuggets - lock to return to the playoffs
Rockets - May implode and be one of the only team that doesn't repeat
Thunder - may be close, but without CP, may fall out of the playoffs
Jazz - may implode and may need to trade Gobert. Probably still good enough to make POs
Mavs - no better or worse. No KP for at least 1/4 to 1/3 of the season may be trouble
Blazers - just mediocre. Borderline PO team

should have made the playoffs
Grizz - really should have made the playoffs and with another year of experience, could be dangerous
Suns - really should have made the playoffs and now they're much better. Lock for playoffs.

actually bad
Spurs - probably even worse
Kings - probably even worse
Pelicans - probably as bad
Wolves - probably as bad, but will look to get better
Warriors - Warriors will be healthy with a first-rounder to boot and look to get to the playoffs again
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My top 8?
1 - Nuggets - tear it up in the regular season with young guys
2 - Suns - surprise a lot of people. Ayton averages 24-10 on lobs
3 - Lakers - favorites to win, but LeBron coasts 1/3 of the season
4 - Clippers - chemistry issues hamstring them but they're that talented
5- Warriors - return to the fray a little rusty
6 - Rockets - still squeak by even without chemistry. First round exit.
7 - Memphis - young guys emerge
8 - Mavs - barely make it. Luka explodes but doesn't have much talent with KP gone 1/3 of the season

xx - UTA, OKC, POR, SAS,
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My top 8?
1 - Nuggets - tear it up in the regular season with young guys
2 - Suns - surprise a lot of people. Ayton averages 24-10 on lobs
3 - Lakers - favorites to win, but LeBron coasts 1/3 of the season
4 - Clippers - chemistry issues hamstring them but they're that talented
5- Warriors - return to the fray a little rusty
6 - Rockets - still squeak by even without chemistry. First round exit.
7 - Memphis - young guys emerge
8 - Mavs - barely make it. Luka explodes but doesn't have much talent with KP gone 1/3 of the season

xx - UTA, OKC, POR, SAS,
I agree with that ranking mostly, but I'm actually more optimistic about the Mavs. Again, I think Harden will be gone, so I'm counting Houston out, so that moves us up one spot. But really I just think Luka will be so damn good and RC will get the absolute best out of this group that they will overachieve and end up with 6 spot or close to it.
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Wow, no idea why Suns would do that but OK.
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Wow, no idea why Suns would do that but OK.
Do what, trade for CP3? I honestly think it's more of a culture thing than anything else. The franchise has been dysfunctional for a long time and it's no secret that Booker has been unhappy for years. Paul has at least one really good year left in him. Maybe two or three. You get the immediate improvement, plus you hopefully make Booker happy long term and convince him to stay.
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Unless they pull of some major move that none of us can foresee, I think you actually can count the Spurs out this time.
Count them out as far as winning the championship yeah...but a Popovich led team is going to at least fight for a 8th seed.
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Do what, trade for CP3? I honestly think it's more of a culture thing than anything else. The franchise has been dysfunctional for a long time and it's no secret that Booker has been unhappy for years. Paul has at least one really good year left in him. Maybe two or three. You get the immediate improvement, plus you hopefully make Booker happy long term and convince him to stay.
Yeah its to bring in a winning culture. Personnel wise I don't think its much of a upgrade but the locker room and the culture around there will be much improved. ?They gotta do something to keep the interest of Booker.
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Count them out as far as winning the championship yeah...but a Popovich led team is going to at least fight for a 8th seed.
Will they though? If Popovich is still Popovich, maybe. But honestly I thought he was outright bad last year. The game might have finally passed him by.
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I agree with that ranking mostly, but I'm actually more optimistic about the Mavs. Again, I think Harden will be gone, so I'm counting Houston out, so that moves us up one spot. But really I just think Luka will be so damn good and RC will get the absolute best out of this group that they will overachieve and end up with 6 spot or close to it.
Its going to depend on what they get back for Harden. If they get Levert and Dinwiddie in a package.....Rockets will continue to be in the mix. I'd only rule them out if they are doing what the Thunder are and complete rebuilding. I don't really feel anything to be optimistic about the Mavs as of yet. They can't bring the same team back with minor changes. This should be the time to get a 3rd guy in here.
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I think we've talked about this in the other thread, but I think you're in for a huge disappointment. The "3rd" guy just isn't there. Or if he is, I can't see it. I think same team with minor changes is far more likely.
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I think we've talked about this in the other thread, but I think you're in for a huge disappointment. The "3rd" guy just isn't there. Or if he is, I can't see it. I think same team with minor changes is far more likely.
Oh I agree. I think that's exactly what's going to happen. I say 3rd guy but I'm just asking for a improvement on Hardaway. I'm realistic about who that guy is. I'm not expecting a perennial All Star.
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Man, this offseason is already looking rough for the Bucks. More and more I'm thinking Giannis will leave. Everyone assumed CP3 was their main target, but apparently they also really wanted Schroder but got outbid by the Lakers- which seems incredible to me. Were they really not willing to trade the 24th pick?
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Apparently Harden really wants out of Houston now. It looks like a near certainty that he will be gone before the season starts, and that he'll end up in either Brooklyn or Philadelphia.

Man, I don't know that I've ever seen a perennial contender crash and burn as quickly and as spectacularly as the Rockets have.
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Nets doesnt have anything really solid outside Irving and Durant, so any trade package is going to be garbage and i actually hope the Rockets tell Harden that he can forget the Nets.

Sixers on the other hand could throw Ben Simmons in the trade
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Sixers on the other hand could throw Ben Simmons in the trade
Levert and Jarrett Allen and Dinwiddie(flip him) are a nice start. Add a couple future lightly protected firsts. Agree, they’d prefer Simmons. Simmons would not be pleased.

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Poor Knicks too.

They though they were getting Kyrie and Durant. Then they got nothing. Now Harden is begging to come to the area— just not to them.
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Damn Blazers got Covington...that is a really good fit for them. Cost them two firsts though. Wow their 16 pick I'm guessing...no way I do that for the Mavs. Per woj

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Yepp they are blowing it up. Lets get Tucker
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Three first round picks for Holiday. Whoa.

AND two pick swaps. That will screw them if Giannis doesn't extend.
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Three first round picks for Holiday. Whoa.
Wow

I think Bucks are all in on Giannis. They could be really good and defensively they’ll be a nightmare.

But they already owed 2022. Now they lost 2024, 2026, and 2028
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Old 11-16-2020, 11:48 PM   #832
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Three picks AND two swaps

If Giannis stays, the swaps are meaningless.

If Giannis takes off, those swaps could double sting.
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Jrue is an UCLA guy, Buddy with Davis, UFA next year and the Lakers have almost max Cap...lol
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Holy crap, you’re right. Dude can opt out this summer. That would be something else if he opted out after all that and left.

Well I’m glad the line that NOP wasn’t talking to us was BS. We were never in the running with prices that high— and thank god too.
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Curious who Houston picks at 16 now.
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Curious who Houston picks at 16 now.
Pok if he’s there.

That definitely takes them out of the running with the support guys. They need a whole new team
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Three first round picks for Holiday. Whoa.

AND two pick swaps. That will screw them if Giannis doesn't extend.
Covington got 2 1st rounders too

Man the Knicks screwed themselves on Porzingis. They didn't even ask for pick swaps
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Damn Blazers got Covington...that is a really good fit for them. Cost them two firsts though. Wow their 16 pick I'm guessing...no way I do that for the Mavs. Per woj

And holiday to Mil per Shams.
I get why Blazers did it though. They have some youth with Anfernee Simons and Gary Trent JR...chances are they were going to draft another guy like that never mind they have Lillard and McCollum. A real solid move for them.
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Stein with the rumour that Giannis intends to sign the supermax...
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Yepp they are blowing it up. Lets get Tucker
I'd love to have him. Has that toughness we need. Nevermind he can guard positions 4,5 and the 3.....can hit 3's....one of the best rebounders in the league....
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