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Old Yesterday, 01:59 PM   #1841
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I like Bogdan but I’m not sure we need him with THJ. I’m not sure what Bogdan does that THJ doesn’t do better.

I know we have the cult of the new and undervalue our own players, but he’s 100% extra with THJ on the roster.
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Mavs still need another big. No way we can survive achilles Powell and knee injury Kristaps without someone to at least fill the gap.
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Mavs still need another big. No way we can survive achilles Powell and knee injury Kristaps without someone to at least fill the gap.
100% need a big.
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Idk why they wont get WCS. We have the money...maybe hes waiting on something bigger to call
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I like Bogdan but Iím not sure we need him with THJ. Iím not sure what Bogdan does that THJ doesnít do better.

I know we have the cult of the new and undervalue our own players, but heís 100% extra with THJ on the roster.
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I keep seeing Mavs fans whining about how the Hawks are destroying feee agency. It’s, you know, what you can do when you have massive cap room

You know what the Mavs will have next season unless we make some massive trades this season? Massive cap room.

There will be multiple guys like Bogdan available next year.
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I keep seeing Mavs fans whining about how the Hawks are destroying feee agency. Itís, you know, what you can do when you have massive cap room

You know what the Mavs will have next season unless we make some massive trades this season? Massive cap room.

There will be multiple guys like Bogdan available next year.
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I keep seeing Mavs fans whining about how the Hawks are destroying feee agency. Itís, you know, what you can do when you have massive cap room

You know what the Mavs will have next season unless we make some massive trades this season? Massive cap room.

There will be multiple guys like Bogdan available next year.
No idea why Mavs fans aren't happy about this off season. Even though I don't love the idea of chasing Giannis I do like the idea that we are a better team and can improve further and have many avenues to do it with the flexibility of expiring contracts and cap room.
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People should give up about "chasing" Giannis, plan powder etc

The KP trade resulted in us giving up on a weak 2020 FA because of Hardaway. But it was always clear since that day that we are going to be a player in a strong 2021 class because of expiring contracts and Luka still on a rookie deal.

We dont "wait" for Giannis, its just a result of how our roster was structered since the KP trade
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People should give up about "chasing" Giannis, plan powder etc

The KP trade resulted in us giving up on a weak 2020 FA because of Hardaway. But it was always clear since that day that we are going to be a player in a strong 2021 class because of expiring contracts and Luka still on a rookie deal.

We dont "wait" for Giannis, its just a result of how our roster was structered since the KP trade
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Room in 2020
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Room in 2021
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Room in 2020
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Idk why they wont get WCS. We have the money...maybe hes waiting on something bigger to call
Probably the case.
Mavs probably put some type of one year "take it or leave it" offer on the table and WCS is probably holding out for a bigger better deal.
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WCS 2/8.2
The rest of the MLE to Terry

Looks like we are done unless we work in a roster reducing trade
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Room in 2020
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ATL - 9m
DAL - 48m
If we don't get Giannis, then what do you think our plan B is? Plan C? We clearly have some money to spend.

One concern I see though is that we will only have the following players signed:
Kristaps Porzingis, Dwight Powell, Maxi Kleber, Luka Doncic (team option), Cauley-Stein, Dorian Finney-Smith, Trey Burke, Josh Green, and maybe Jalen Brunson (team option).

Players with expiring contracts: James Johnson, J.J. Barea, Tim Hardaway Jr, Josh Richardson (player option), Boban Marjanovic, Tyler Bey

Unknowns: Wesley Iwundu (1 year deal?), Tyrell Terry, Nate Hinton

So we have $48 million (not sure how you came up with the figure as I didn't look into the numbers myself) to fill out our roster. Do we really expect to sign Giannis and have a great team around Luka, KP, and him? Trey Burke and DFS are nice pieces, but we'd have no bench at all.

Can we sign Giannis first, then exercise Bird rights on any players, and then use MLE on someone else? I really wonder what our options are. If we have Bird rights on anyone I'm guessing it's Tim Hardaway Jr and J.J. Barea. We may have Bird rights on Johnson and Richardson through the trades though as they were on 3+ year deals.
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I am ecstatic about WCS returning! I really enjoyed watching his play for us last year, and I know he's only going to get more comfortable of the course of the next 2 seasons. Solid offseason!
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Good lord, are people actually STILL whining about free agency? The Mavs were never going to be players in FA this year. Where did anyone get this idea? The Mavs only had the MLE to work with, and since we didn't have Trey Burke's Bird rights, now we have only a portion of the MLE. Has anyone not been paying attention to the absolutely insane money teams are throwing around? Everyone is getting ridiculously overpaid. It is 100% a seller's market right now. Gordon freaking Hayward just got $120 million ffs.

Yes, the Lakers got Harrell and the Clippers got Ibaka dirt cheap. You know why they can do that and the Mavs can't? BECAUSE THEY'RE IN LOS ANGELES, AND THEY'RE CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDERS. Veteran players will take a discount to play in LA and win potentially win a title. They will never, and I mean eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvveeeeeerrrr take a discount to play in Dallas with a team that-while has a bright future- still only made the 7th seed last year and lost in the first round.. (to the Clippers btw.)

The Mavs have crushed it this offseason. Absolutely crushed it. As I have already said, and others have already said, they are clearly not waiting for Giannis. They have accumulated potential trade pieces. That's, you know, on top of significantly improving the actual team.

Get another big, and we are ready to go.

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Honestly I love trill so Im glad they brought him back. Gotta use the MLE anyway, who cares about the size. He's good for what the team needs.
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And I wrote this before I saw about WCS. Hell yeah! Mavs hit this offseason outta to f***ing park!
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I am ecstatic about WCS returning! I really enjoyed watching his play for us last year, and I know he's only going to get more comfortable of the course of the next 2 seasons. Solid offseason!
I hope WCS can beat Powell out for PT.
He can give us what Powell can and more.
Just has to win Carlisle over.
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If we don't get Giannis, then what do you think our plan B is? Plan C? We clearly have some money to spend.

One concern I see though is that we will only have the following players signed:
Kristaps Porzingis, Dwight Powell, Maxi Kleber, Luka Doncic (team option), Dorian Finney-Smith, Trey Burke, Josh Green, and maybe Jalen Brunson (team option).

Players with expiring contracts: James Johnson, J.J. Barea, Tim Hardaway Jr, Josh Richardson (player option), Boban Marjanovic, Tyler Bey

Unknowns: Wesley Iwundu (1 year deal?), Tyrell Terry, Nate Hinton

So we have $48 million (not sure how you came up with the figure as I didn't look into the numbers myself) to fill out our roster. Do we really expect to sign Giannis and have a great team around Luka, KP, and him? Trey Burke and DFS are nice pieces, but we'd have no bench at all.

Can we sign Giannis first, then exercise Bird rights on any players, and then use MLE on someone else? I really wonder what our options are. If we have Bird rights on anyone I'm guessing it's Tim Hardaway Jr and J.J. Barea. We may have Bird rights on Johnson and Richardson through the trades though as they were on 3+ year deals.
I'm fully expecting Giannis to be off the table before this season even starts, let alone next offseason. I'm operating on the assumption that he will sign the supermax.

As for plan b and c. I think initially Holiday was plan B. Plan C? Again, I think the Mavs aren't putting all their hopes in free agency. Whoever they get, I think it's going to happen via trade. I have no idea who that might be though. I'm sure they have their eyes on Beal, but who knows what other teams might offer for him.

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So we have 1 too many players. Who's on his way out, assuming we sign J.J.

Nate Hinton? Tyrell Terry? Tyler Bey? I am leaning towards one of those 4. Also what did Iwundu agree to? The minimum? I am guessing it must be no more than that.
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So we have 1 too many players. Who's on his way out, assuming we sign J.J.

Nate Hinton? Tyrell Terry? Tyler Bey? I am leaning towards one of those 4. Also what did Iwundu agree to? The minimum? I am guessing it must be no more than that.
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And I wrote this before I saw about WCS. Hell yeah! Mavs hit this offseason outta to f***ing park!
From top to bottom, this is the absolute best off season the mavs have had since I can remember.
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My math tells me we have too many players (Assuming they sign Terry).
What am I missing?

1. Luka
2. KP
3. Hardaway
4. Richardson
5. DFS
6. Maxi
7. Brunson
8. Powell
9. WCS
10. Burke
11. Boban
12. Johnson
13. Iwundu
14. Barea
15. Green
16. Terry
17. Bey
18. Hinton
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My math tells me we have too many players (Assuming they sign Terry).
What am I missing?

1. Luka
2. KP
3. Hardaway
4. Richardson
5. DFS
6. Maxi
7. Brunson
8. Powell
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15. Green
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Yeah, I'm happy we kept Willie. Sucks we couldn't get Gasol, but I'm not sure how much he has left in the tank. Plus, Boban is our Gasol.
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Mavs contracts
---regular roster---
1) KP
2) THJ
3) Johnson
4) Richardson
5) Powell
6) Kleber
7) Doncic
8) DFS
9) Boban
10) Brunson
11) Burke
12) Green (guaranteed 1st rounder)
13) Iwundu
---inactive---
14) Barea (brad says he’s returning)
15) WCS
---two-way players-----
16) Nate Hinton
17) Tyler Bey
---camp fodder not here when the season starts---
18) Devonte Patterson
19) Freddie Gillespie
20)

other
Terry - second-round pick. Contract is optional

I mean, we're full other than being able to bring one more guy to camp, but we have to cut to 17 before the first day of the season. Looks like we have to either
A) Make Barea a coach and sign Terry
B) Have Terry play overseas or in the G-League (if that is even happening) for a season
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I'm fully expecting Giannis to be off the table before this season even starts, let alone next offseason. I'm operating on the assumption that he will sign the supermax.

As for plan b and c. I think initially Holiday was plan B. Plan C? Again, I think the Mavs aren't putting all their hopes in free agency. Whoever they get, I think it's going to happen via trade. I have no idea who that might be though. I'm sure they have their eyes on Beal, but who knows what other teams might offer for him.
I would say Beal is next on the list, yes. Other teams will be able to beat our offer. Key is if he says he wants to be here. Heís said some things on social media which make it believable we are on his radar. And also Washington needs to have another down year. They have some nice young pieces and Wall coming back. Though Iím not sure if that hurts or helps them.
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So we have 1 too many players. Who's on his way out, assuming we sign J.J.

Nate Hinton? Tyrell Terry? Tyler Bey? I am leaning towards one of those 4. Also what did Iwundu agree to? The minimum? I am guessing it must be no more than that.
Hinton would seem to be the obvious choice.
No way in hell we let Terry go.
Perhaps a trade is in the works.
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I mean there is no way they arent signing Terry to a Brunson like multiyear deal. So he takes a roster spot for sure.

Maybe Barea has to wait for his return until the Mavs opened a roster spot after anothr trade...he is going to be a mascot/coach anyway
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I mean there is no way they arent signing Terry to a Brunson like multiyear deal. So he takes a roster spot for sure.

Maybe Barea has to wait for his return until the Mavs opened a roster spot after anothr trade...he is going to be a mascot/coach anyway
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So Mavs have 5 guys 6' 10" to 7' 4" in height. Not bad. If we keep all of the wings, well, then we have 9 of them from 6' 5" to 6' 7". That is insane! I have a feeling that 1 won't make the roster, and the other will be a 2-way player.
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From top to bottom, this is the absolute best off season the mavs have had since I can remember.
This. They killed it. Absolutely nailed it. I wanted Baynes, but I can see why they prefer the more athletic lob threat and defense in WCS, who is also familiar with our system.
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I'm glad he's back.

Him and Burke imo were two guys that they needed to retain.

I'd start him until KP is 100% ready to Go.

Mavs ranked like 18th last year defensively and then allowed over 120 ppg in the bubble.

It was clear as day what they needed to upgrade to take that next step.
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I'm glad he's back.

Him and Burke imo were two guys that they needed to retain.

I'd start him until KP is 100% ready to Go.

Mavs ranked like 18th last year defensively and then allowed over 120 ppg in the bubble.

It was clear as day what they needed to upgrade to take that next step.
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