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Fun fact: Powell is just nine months younger than Vuc and 13 months younger than Kemba Walker.
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Remember that FA is still pretty far away and many things can happen. This could be a poker play to pretend they aren't interested in Vuc or have this as a backup in case Vuc isn't interested. It's a win-win to say you want to keep Powell because it will work out in case you can't land a big fish. Doesn't mean the big fish don't come first...
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but it kills 10m in cap
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There's always the possibility Vuc is not interested and they got wind of it. Hopefully not the case, let's wait and see
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Goran Dragic becomes latest Heat player to consider opting out of contract
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I like Dragic but he'll be 33 in a month.
I'd rather concentrate on much younger players in FA.
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Remember that FA is still pretty far away and many things can happen. This could be a poker play to pretend they aren't interested in Vuc or have this as a backup in case Vuc isn't interested. It's a win-win to say you want to keep Powell because it will work out in case you can't land a big fish. Doesn't mean the big fish don't come first...
Honestly for that price there are options that fit way better next to KP. Thinking about Ed David or Dewayne Dedmond.

Maybe the point is that he doesnt intend to opt-out and we want to stretch him to decrease the load on cap space next year (not sure that is possible?)
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I could see us rading Lee for Dragic and signing Vuc.

Dragic/Brunson
Luka/Hardaway
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Vuc/Powell

Not a bad 10 man rotation
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I could see us rading Lee for Dragic and signing Vuc.

Dragic/Brunson
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I have no problem adding Dragic as long as he isn't the best player we acquire in the off season.
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No surprises here...

Hornets GM says team will do everything possible to keep Kemba Walker
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People are too focused around starting-5 fit with Luka and KP. The league changed, ten years ago there were 20 guys playing around 40-42 minutes. Now everyone is doing load management etc and you have even stars down to 32min a game. Luka and KP are going to be such guys too (KP more than Luka).

Thats why its okay if the starting-5 fit is maybe not that perfect, but you can create a great rotation with three to go guys (= two are always on the court together).

Just Luka and KP and you have long stretches where one of them is alone on the court and you have to push roleplayers in bigger offensive roles than they are capable of playing and thats where a team starts to suck (we saw it the past years).

With Vuc or Kemba you create MUCH stronger rotations and guys like THJ, Kleber, Brunson etc can stay in their defined effective roleplayer situations.
Like all sports, they're turning the players into pansies... The last two years were the only two years on record where no one averaged more than 37 minutes per game. One year, Wilt averaged more than 48 minutes per game...
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Like all sports, they're turning the players into pansies... The last two years were the only two years on record where no one averaged more than 37 minutes per game. One year, Wilt averaged more than 48 minutes per game...
I don't think that's it at all. Stars are playing less because offenses and defenses are more complex and more importantly require A LOT more movement than in the past. Defenses especially. The constant switching, defending in space, closing out on shooters, and sprinting back on full court defense is way more exhausting than they used to do in the past.

Look at old clips of Wilt, literally all he had to do was just run from one spot in the low block to the other. He wasn't defending in space or flying out to contest shooters. It was post up on offense, then run back and defend the paint and grab the rebound on defense.

There's too much movement these days to play your stars 42 mpg consistently.
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I’d still like to take a look at Tobias Harris. I think he’d be a good fit. I think he is an UFA this summer.
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If we could shed Powell and end up with Ed Davis on a good contract, that would be very good
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Theres always DeAndre as a fall back plan.
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If we could shed Powell and end up with Ed Davis on a good contract, that would be very good
yes and that would allow to focus cap space on a guard and a wing.
We really need some good catch and shooters to benefit from Luka court vision.
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Don't we have to wait a year after trading him before we can re-sign him again (Stackhouse rule)?
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Will be watching Vucevic in this playoff series. I’d like him to show that he’s worth the money. Game 1 was brutal for him.
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I think we just have to wait for the new league year to start, no? Sort of like the Devin situation last year. Either way I don't think hes a good fit with kp
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The more I look at it, the more it makes sense to add tier 2/3 veterans with mid level contracts.

Vucevic and Kemba are great players, but both will require a tremendous commitment on our part. If they don't work, they impact our long term plan with KP and Luka. Looking at the sheer amount of terrible contracts over the past 5 years is telling.

WCS, Aminu, and Beverely seem like ideal targets. I have a hard time thinking any of their contracts would be "bad" in 2-3 years if the fit isn't right or we need to unload for cap space.
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The more I look at it, the more it makes sense to add tier 2/3 veterans with mid level contracts.

Vucevic and Kemba are great players, but both will require a tremendous commitment on our part. If they don't work, they impact our long term plan with KP and Luka. Looking at the sheer amount of terrible contracts over the past 5 years is telling.

WCS, Aminu, and Beverely seem like ideal targets. I have a hard time thinking any of their contracts would be "bad" in 2-3 years if the fit isn't right or we need to unload for cap space.
Kemba at 30m and Vuc at 25m are going to be easily tradeable if it doesnt work out after 1-2 years.
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Kemba at 30m and Vuc at 25m are going to be easily tradeable if it doesnt work out after 1-2 years.
I'm fine with Kemba at 30m. THJ status a question at this point with the surgery, and I doubt he's ready to go at the start of the season. Kemba steps right in and takes that spot. Mavs eat THJ salary next year. Maybe we get something out of him playing-wise, maybe not. 2021 he's an expiring trade chip ala Wesley. 25m comes off the books with him gone, and we've got Kemba. With THJ on the roster, it's sort of like the Mavs paying a $35milion or so luxury tax over 2 years to have Kemba on the roster. Let Powell go and save $20-$26m of that over the next 2 seasons. I couldn't pull the trigger fast enough on that deal. Add Vuc to that and we're WC contenders on paper starting next year. Yeah, it might be tight to squeeze Vuc in there, but it's worth a shot. If not, there are a few bigs that we could plug in that would work well with Kemba, Luka, and KP.

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The way I understand this chart -
(have to look at 2019-2020 season as it begins July 1)
the Mavs have the 4th most cap room available at $52mill
NBA Team Salary Cap Tracker
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I'm fine with Kemba at 30m. THJ status a question at this point with the surgery, and I doubt he's ready to go at the start of the season. Kemba steps right in and takes that spot. Mavs eat THJ salary next year. Maybe we get something out of him playing-wise, maybe not. 2021 he's an expiring trade chip ala Wesley. 25m comes off the books with him gone, and we've got Kemba. With THJ on the roster, it's sort of like the Mavs paying a $35milion or so luxury tax over 2 years to have Kemba on the roster. Let Powell go and save $20-$26m of that over the next 2 seasons. I couldn't pull the trigger fast enough on that deal. Add Vuc to that and we're WC contenders on paper starting next year. Yeah, it might be tight to squeeze Vuc in there, but it's worth a shot. If not, there are a few bigs that we could plug in that would work well with Kemba, Luka, and KP.
Ball dominant guard just doesnít make sense with Luka. We need versatility, range, and defense.

If we got him, I wouldnít throw a fit. I just donít see it being the ideal foundation to build around Luka + KP.

Also, Vuc only provides scoring for us. Not sure why that would be a priority when itís clear we need DEFENSE + shooters. Luka only generates 20 open shots a game.
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Actually Kemba is excellent off the ball too. Luka is a 32-34MPG guys, so you have pretty much 1/3 of the game where Kemba could go full Kemba because Luka is on the bench. Or play off Luka when they share the court.

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Actually Kemba is excellent off the ball too. Luka is a 32-34MPG guys, so you have pretty much 1/3 of the game where Kemba could go full Kemba because Luka is on the bench. Or play off Luka when they share the court.

https://hoopshype.com/2019/04/14/kem...pacers-knicks/
My thoughts exactly. I know he's not the PERFECT fit, but to me the perfect fit would be a pre-injury Cousins without the personality issues, or a healthy Embid. Good luck with that! Don't let perfect be the enemy of very good. Kemba is just one of several very nice upgrades that would work and fit. Mavs will have to be flexible, and Luka and KP's skill set really helps them be flexible as far as what fits. Just my .02.

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Ball dominant guard just doesnít make sense with Luka. We need versatility, range, and defense.

If we got him, I wouldnít throw a fit. I just donít see it being the ideal foundation to build around Luka + KP.

Also, Vuc only provides scoring for us. Not sure why that would be a priority when itís clear we need DEFENSE + shooters. Luka only generates 20 open shots a game.
I dont think ball dominant is an issue. Rick really likes multiple ballhandlers and balances them well.

Bigger issue I see with Kemba is defense. He rebounds well for 6'0" and he can initiate offense but his defense isnt amazing.
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We just don't need Kemba Walker. I'm all about adding star talent, but the offense is going to be good no matter what next season with KP in the lineup. Teams are going to eventually have to double him which opens everyone else up. Plus, people cried a river the length of the Nile that Smith and Luka didn't fit together. So Walker magically will? No. Walker would take the ball out of Luka's hands A LOT more than Smith ever did. You can't have two alphas on the team needing the ball that much even if Rick wants two ball handlers. Brunson is perfect in that role.
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We just don't need Kemba Walker. I'm all about adding star talent, but the offense is going to be good no matter what next season with KP in the lineup.
Again: There would be plenty minutes where one of KP/Luka is on the bench and then you have a guy like THJ as secondary scorer. Yuck.

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1) DSJ wasnt willing to play off the ball
2) DSJ dont have the skills
3) If Kemba would sign here he would be willing to play a lot more off the ball and also excel in it like he does it allready the past years in limited minutes.

Thats a big difference.

And with scorer trio you dont have to worry about finding roleplayer scorer, you can pretty much focus on collecting roleplayer with good defense.

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If we sign Walker, DFS becomes a decent fit in our SL. It will be critical to have a strong 1-4 defender at SF if we have a Walker/Luka backcourt.
Actually if we sign Walker I'd be interested in going after Aminu.

I'm assuming the Powell extension means Vuc is not coming here and our frontcourt rotation next season will be KP/Powell/Maxi/Mejri. Since none of those 4 are great rebounders, Aminu would make a lot of sense at SF.

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Don't we have to wait a year after trading him before we can re-sign him again (Stackhouse rule)?
From what I remember Jerry Stackhouse knew he would be waived after the trade for Jason Kidd, would relax at home for a month, and then re-sign with the Mavericks. Problem is that he didn't shut up about it, and there were complaints around the league by teams in playoff positions specifically.

Well, I forget what was changed thanks to Stackhouse, but clearly we were able to sign Devin Harris as a free agent once his contract expired with the Denver Nuggets. Everyone thought he was coming back, and everyone was right.

So I think the same situation could hold true for a player like Deandre Jordan. Now, does he want to return to Dallas? I don't think they necessarily parted on bad terms. He plays for a bad team but in a city that many love. I am sure he's enjoyed his stay there.

I'm sure it's not too hard to find the specifics to what Stackhouse caused after opening his mouth. Google says: look harder. Seriously, I am struggling to find the specifics.
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Count me among those who doesnít like the fit with Walker at all...

1) we have a good, young point guard whoís intelligent and has great intangibles with a small cap hit, why would we tie up our cap room for a position thatís covered?

2) we desperately need an interior presence, our rebounding and defense is nonexistent
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PS I’m firmly in the overpay Malcolm Brogdon and sign Javale McGee/ Ed Davis etc. to cover the 5 camp. You simply can not have enough wings in today’s NBA and Brogdon would be a great fit next to Luka & KP.
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PS Iím firmly in the overpay Malcolm Brogdon and sign Javale McGee/ Ed Davis etc. to cover the 5 camp. You simply can not have enough wings in todayís NBA and Brogdon would be a great fit next to Luka & KP.
Iím all for Ed Davis. We need rebounding help. Brogden seems like a good fit too. I wouldnít mind taking a look at WCS either. Big body that is a lob threat.
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Gonna cost at least 4/50m
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I think we need to address our weakness of rebounding, defense and 3pt shooting. Adding Porzingis will help 3pt shooting some, and will give us a legit shot blocker.

First is the draft lottery. If we get a top 2 of Zion or Marant. That changes the free agency approach big time. And is great for the future as they will both be on rookie deals.

If we don't get a lottery pick. I would like to see Vucevic at center, and sign Danny Green SG. Vucevic will legit fix our rebounding as he a elite at it, and a career 33%, this year 36% 3pt shooter, and is a good passing center. Green is a great defender, and a career 40%, this year 45% 3pt shooter, is a winner and team guy. Perfect to play next to Luka, can cover the other teams best SG or SF.

If possible stretch or trade Lee. Sign PG Beverely. He is an Elite Defender, a career 38%, this 39.7% 3pt shooter and again a great team first guy. A great guy for Brunson to learn off of for 2-3 years. If Brunson can turn into a Beverly type of player that's a winning scenario outcome. Beverely at 25-30m minutes, Brunson at 20-25 minutes can be a solid tandem.

Have Beverely and Green makes a great Defensive back court. And improves our 3pt shooting immensely for Doncic to pass of too as he breaks down defenses.
Best way for Doncic to improve as a defender is to play with other good defenders, learn team defense from them. I think he can be come and above average defender in time, playing with other great defenders will have him learn how to be one.
Vucevic is needed! I love Porzingis but hes not going to play 35+ minutes. He will be 30-32 minutes. So we then have Vucevic, we will have a least one talented big on the floor at all times.

Can go Big with Porzingis, Vucevic, and use Powell and Kleber as backups which is a solid bench. OR only one of them and go small with a PG, Green, Doncic, Hardaway, Smith/Jackson type. Depending on the match ups.

PG: Beverly , Brunson, Barea
Sg Green, Hardaway, Broekhoff
SF: Doncic, Jackson, Smith
PF: Porzingis, Powell
C: Vucevic, Kleber, Mejri

We have good/great shooters with Beverly, Green, Doncic, Porzingis, Vucevic. Average shooters with Brunson, Hardaway, Smith, Jackson, Powell, Kleber,
We have good defenders in Beverly, Green, Smith, Kleber (great metrics). Average defenders in Brunson, Doncic, Porzingis, Jackson, Vucevic (his metrics are pretty good, and Orlando is a good defensive team).
Great rebounders with Vucevic, Doncic elite a their positions. I believe Porzingis will improve to a good rebounder under this solid team and Carlise guidance. He is 7'3 dam it.
Porzingis gives us a shot blocker that Jordan never was.

Additions of Porzingis, Vucevic, Green, Beverly. Further development of Doncic, Brunson, Kleber, Smith, Powell. I think we can be a top 4/5 team in the west. Hopefully Durant goes to the knicks making the Warriors weaker. And the lakers don't get a big time star.



If we can sign Vucevic (13m Currently) to a little below max deal, which I think he would take to play with two other European stars. And a chance to win a title.
Green (10m currently) and Beverly (5m currently) to mid level 2-3 deals. Both at this stage in there career want to win and start games. We can give them both that. Start for two years and transition younger guys in if the develop by year 3.

Hardaway, Kleber, Powell, Brunson, Smith, Kleber, Jackson, Barea or harris should all be back. But are not starters. They are good solid bench players and spot starters. I do believe Brunson can be our starting PG of the future as he develops, but I think giving him 30-35 minutes as a starter next season wouldn't be horrible but not ideal.

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There is not a snowballs chance in hell of Vucevic taking a below max deal.
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