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Old 10-18-2017, 10:22 PM   #281
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The problem lies in the fact that some think the Mavs are better than they are.

Still, Barnes can't be this bad. He had an off game.
Barnes had a bad shooting night, but he went 8-9 from the FT line, and getting to the charity stripe more is a goal for him this season... Silver lining.
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Have Smith and Barnes ever both had a good game in the same game? They just dont seem to play well together
I've noticed the same thing -- their games don't seem very compatible so far.
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Dirk trying to sabotage the team for his final season?
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I've noticed the same thing -- their games don't seem very compatible so far.
Whose game does mesh with Barnes tho? Smith could probably mesh with any team.
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DSJ must be doing something right, this was our biggest GDT since 02/20/15 against Houston.
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Whose game does mesh with Barnes tho? Smith could probably mesh with any team.
Yeah, Barnes is looking a lot more like the best player on a bad team than a great player.
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Lol at everyone thinking Noel was going to get starter minutes off the bench. This is the Mavs we're talking.
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I've noticed the same thing -- their games don't seem very compatible so far.
Me three. I hope they mesh. Barnes developed a bad habit last year dribbling down the clock and taking his time to analyze the D and decide what he wanted to do. With DSJ as the primary ball handled HB needs to move off ball more and be more goddamn decisive (not to mention get to the basket!!).
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That or he really is that stubborn with Noel situation
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This is really puzzling me. Is Dirk really making those kinds of coaching decisions?
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Also I'm really confused as to how we're handling Noel at the moment. Like are we seriously trying to limit his minutes and sabotage his ability to get the max this year? That sounds really shady to me. If he's playing that well let the man play and if he keeps it up then pay him. If I were Noel I would be seriously pissed if that were the case. Why else keep him on the bench like that in the 4th? Are we tanking already? If so what's with the charade of keeping all the vets around this year? We should have just traded everyone if we were planning to tank from day 1.
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Also I'm really confused as to how we're handling Noel at the moment. Like are we seriously trying to limit his minutes and sabotage his ability to get the max this year? That sounds really shady to me. If he's playing that well let the man play and if he keeps it up then pay him. If I were Noel I would be seriously pissed if that were the case. Why else keep him on the bench like that in the 4th? Are we tanking already? If so what's with the charade of keeping all the vets around this year? We should have just traded everyone if we were planning to tank from day 1.
Kinda hard to keep him from getting max when he's putting up 16 points, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks and a steal in the mere 20 minutes that he plays.

Maybe Rick was trying to limit Noel's minutes to prevent injury? Maybe he was showcasing Powell to increase his trade value? Or maybe he really does have a hard-on for Michael Porter Jr. and is trying to tank? Kinda hard to tell after just 1 game...
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Kinda hard to keep him from getting max when he's putting up 16 points, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks and a steal in the mere 20 minutes that he plays.

Maybe Rick was trying to limit Noel's minutes to prevent injury? Maybe he was showcasing Powell to increase his trade value? Or maybe he really does have a hard-on for Michael Porter Jr. and is trying to tank? Kinda hard to tell after just 1 game...
It's really interesting that Dirk wanted Powell in the game though. For what reason? It's pretty rare to have a coach put the onus on a player like that in a post game interview. I suppose because Powell is hitting his threes which is at least something, but man does he suck otherwise.

The more confusing substitution was near the end of the 1st quarter when Dirk and Powell came in and Noel went out. That absolutely killed the momentum that the team had built with Noel in the game IMO.
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I'd give Salah all of Dwight Powell's minutes. Hell, I'd give Withey and Maxi minutes before Dwight. Powell should honestly be the last man off the bench, IMO. He's that bad.
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It always annoyed me that there was so much playoff talk around the team this season. It's good that our guys have lofty goals, but Dallas as constructed is not an eighth seed in the West.

I'm saying this because going through the comments still many seem to expect that the Mavs can win games like yesterday's on a regular basis. They won't.
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Im willing to give Powell the benefit of the doubt for a few more games. If he shows consistent improvement to his 3 pointer, that may raise his confidence enough to benefit him in other areas as well. His defense, however, will always be in the crapper.
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I dont think Powell has any trade value- it'd either be a bad salary swap or we'd have to attach something. So I dont think it was about RC showcasing Dwight. Maybe just that he'd hit back to back 3's and wanted to give him confidence.

RC's comments about Dirk asking him to leave Dwight in are strange, even if its true.

As for Noel's playing time to me its no surprise but rather par for the course. He's been yanked around since he arrived IMHO. I have no idea what the endgame with Noel is but its wrong not to play your best players this early in the season-- and I'm all for tanking!

As someone said above, if they really are thinking tank this early then by all means shop everyone not named Dirk or Dennis.
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Im willing to give Powell the benefit of the doubt for a few more games. If he shows consistent improvement to his 3 pointer, that may raise his confidence enough to benefit him in other areas as well. His defense, however, will always be in the crapper.
Nah, he always played weak under the basket. Nothing will change it. Its his attitude, his mentality. He will never score enough to make up for his shitty interior defense (something Dirk is still able to do most of the games).

And btw, Noel was at the offensive end also much better than Powell last night.
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Have Smith and Barnes ever both had a good game in the same game? They just dont seem to play well together
This is their first real game together....so I guess NO?

But seriously its one game and Barnes struggled a lot but got to the line and contributed. He will not be this bad going forward so no point in over reacting.

And as everyone else has pointed out the problem is and sadly I fear will continue to be RC and his decision making around Dirk and Noel. I have never had a problem with RC and still really don't...but sometimes the solution can be so obvious and he refuses to budge.
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Not if you include the preseason, where they had all the same problems.
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Well Barnes is better in isolation than catch and shoot situations so it makes sense. He will have to adjust.

I know Harrison's goal was to average three assists per game, but there really is no need for that with Smith on the floor. I'd rather him score 23 ppg and 1 assist versus 3 apt per game and 17-19 ppg.
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Im willing to give Powell the benefit of the doubt for a few more games. If he shows consistent improvement to his 3 pointer, that may raise his confidence enough to benefit him in other areas as well. His defense, however, will always be in the crapper.
But how many seasons have we been saying this? This is who Powell is.
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Not if you include the preseason, where they had all the same problems.
I know that why I said "real game" and even in the preseason how much did they really get to play together and to mesh. Barnes is a very smart and hard working player, he will adjust to Smith after some time and again I doubt he has a bad shooting game like this often.
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I have said it 50 times... get Noel in to set defensive tone to start and make sure you have him in to defend and rebound down the stretch.

Carlisle and Barnes layed an egg first game. Dirk and Noel on the bench down the stretch is something I never thought I would see and never want to see again.
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I'd prefer Noel start and then have Mejri come in as a sub, so we have a shot blocker and somebody to clog up the lane in the middle, but for whatever reason, RC doesn't like Mejri, and it's not because he's too young. :-(
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OK, the whole Dwight Powell thing just makes no sense except for one. I can totally see RC trying to tank the first game so that DSJ has his first loss and doesn't get the pressure of a winning streak expectations. Yeah, it's stupid but that's the best I can do. The whole "Dirk told me to" is nuts.

And Dwight Powell is done. I was really excited to get him in the Rondo trade and thought he was going to be something. He's turned into a $10 million bust.
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I've heard Dirk told Carlisle to leave Powell in. One of the local radio shows made an interesting point. Maybe Dirk was trying to give you young guys (Powell specifically) confidence. He knows his career is winding down and that the young guys are the future. Even if Dirk had checked back in Atl was just going to run the pick n roll on him which he couldn't defend. Still not sure why Nerlens was 3rd in line to get in the game over Powell or Dirk. I'd like to see Nerlens get more minutes, but it was the first game. We saw what happened to Dirk last year after he overplayed game 1. No reason to play these guys to death. It's a long season.
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Maybe Dirk was trying to give you young guys (Powell specifically) confidence.
I'd argue that a win would have given ALL the young guys more confidence, especially DSJ in his NBA debut.
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I've heard Dirk told Carlisle to leave Powell in. One of the local radio shows made an interesting point. Maybe Dirk was trying to give you young guys (Powell specifically) confidence. He knows his career is winding down and that the young guys are the future. Even if Dirk had checked back in Atl was just going to run the pick n roll on him which he couldn't defend. Still not sure why Nerlens was 3rd in line to get in the game over Powell or Dirk. I'd like to see Nerlens get more minutes, but it was the first game. We saw what happened to Dirk last year after he overplayed game 1. No reason to play these guys to death. It's a long season.
I think you completely hit the nail on the head....it appears Dirk understands the situation of this team and is playing a part in the transition. I think that is a good thing but as you and others have stated they seem to be grooming the wrong person but considering the financial commitment I guess I can understand why Powell is being looked at early.

Noel should be the focus at least the first part of the season to see if he is our long-term solution at center and a good fit with DSJ. Noel, Barnes and DSJ should be closing games no matter what this season and any others should be based on matchups imo.

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I disgree with the "no matter".

but the thing is, Noel was killing it on both sides of the court. Scoring and defending.

Powell killed one side of the court completly and hit two threes on the other..awesome. Thats a game where Noel has to finish. Trying it with Powell when Noel cant provide offense etc is okay but that wasnt the case.

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I disgree with the "no matter".

but the thing is, Noel was killing it on both sides of the court. Scoring and defending.

Powell killed one side of the court completly and hit two threes on the other..awesome. Thats a game where Noel has to finish. Trying it with Powell when Noel cant provide offense etc is okay but that wasnt the case.
This. What kills me is RC is a huge +- guy. There is no stat that RC uses more in his pressers than +-. I remember when Parsons would have a good game and he would basically say, "well he played well but he was a -4 so he has to get better". And NN was +9 and Powell ended up -4. Not sure what he was when he went in but it was clear that nobody had the effect on the game like NN did and RC went away from it. So I don't buy any excuse other than RC not wanting to play him more than 18-22mins. It's what he was doing in preseason and I don't see it changing unless NN continues to ball out and basically forces it to happen. We all joke about tanking but the only other theory other than RC just not wanting to play him more than he is(injury concerns likely) is that he has been told explicitly to try and keep his minutes down from above. And even that isn't very likely to me because I don't think RC would go for that.
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OK, the whole Dwight Powell thing just makes no sense except for one. I can totally see RC trying to tank the first game so that DSJ has his first loss and doesn't get the pressure of a winning streak expectations. Yeah, it's stupid but that's the best I can do. The whole "Dirk told me to" is nuts.

And Dwight Powell is done. I was really excited to get him in the Rondo trade and thought he was going to be something. He's turned into a $10 million bust.
Stretch waiving Powell at some point would open up an extra 4m if needed for FA.

Best case scenario: Trade Wes without taking back salary. Stretch waive Powell. 60m in cap space, enough for two max contracts. Tank naturally. Secure top 6 pick. Take BPA. Sign Cousins(30m) and Marcus Smart(22m restricted).

Boogie
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Porter/Bagley/Doncic,
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This team plays 2018-19 together. Barnes opts out the following summer and we have another max salary slot open for a 3/4 "glue guy" that can shoot the 3 (ala) Otto Porter to go with our three studs

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This. What kills me is RC is a huge +- guy. There is no stat that RC uses more in his pressers than +-. I remember when Parsons would have a good game and he would basically say, "well he played well but he was a -4 so he has to get better". And NN was +9 and Powell ended up -4. Not sure what he was when he went in but it was clear that nobody had the effect on the game like NN did and RC went away from it. So I don't buy any excuse other than RC not wanting to play him more than 18-22mins. It's what he was doing in preseason and I don't see it changing unless NN continues to ball out and basically forces it to happen. We all joke about tanking but the only other theory other than RC just not wanting to play him more than he is(injury concerns likely) is that he has been told explicitly to try and keep his minutes down from above. And even that isn't very likely to me because I don't think RC would go for that.
The other option that you didn't mention is that Rick is still intent on making Noel "earn it". He's shown repeatedly that he has his guys and he has his guys in the doghouse. If it was as easy as Mark giving the order to play certain players more or less minutes than we wouldnt have had that down the stretch disaster last season, trying to win while all but eliminated.
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Stretch waiving Powell at some point would open up an extra 4m if needed for FA.

Best case scenario: Trade Wes without taking back salary. Stretch waive Powell. 60m in cap space, enough for two max contracts. Tank naturally. Secure top 6 pick. Take BPA. Sign Cousins(30m) and Marcus Smart(22m restricted).

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You want to give Smart 22m a year? He shoots 35% from the field and 29% from 3. It's like having a worse wes on offense. And I might be in the minority but I want nothing to do with Cousins still.

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