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Has there been any player from the 2016 draft making waves? Supremely underwhelming draft class. Simmons unknown, and should be good, but bleh from everyone else so far.

We can only hope this draft class lives up to its billing...
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Has there been any player from the 2016 draft making waves? Supremely underwhelming draft class. Simmons unknown, and should be good, but bleh from everyone else so far.

We can only hope this draft class lives up to its billing...
Chriss and Jaylen Brown have been starting at times. Sabonis is starting for OKC and is going to be a really good player for the next decade plus. Bender should be a good player down the road. Pascal Siakam has been starting for Toronto. Ingram is super young but could be an all-star level player in a few.

There may not be many stars but definitely good quality players throughout. And I'm sure I'm forgetting a few.
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Has there been any player from the 2016 draft making waves? Supremely underwhelming draft class. Simmons unknown, and should be good, but bleh from everyone else so far.

We can only hope this draft class lives up to its billing...
I think Ferrell is easily a top 5 pick if it was done today. I can't believe how absolutely terrible that draft was talent-wise.
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Top five in the 2016 draft. Tell me who stands out to you?

The two top 10 pgs Kris Dunn and perhaps Hield who is more of a SG. They really haven't done anything to impress. Those guys went 5 and 6, and I'd easily take Ferrell over them at this point.
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My god, since Fultz is off the table for Mavs...

Was checking Dirk's old plays and wanted instantly see where Markkanen is at the moment...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7s2iFo1F2M

No guarantees but still... Perhaps he is able to fall to 7th pick or something.
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My god, since Fultz is off the table for Mavs...

Was checking Dirk's old plays and wanted instantly see where Markkanen is at the moment...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7s2iFo1F2M

No guarantees but still... Perhaps he is able to fall to 7th pick or something.
He is current #12 on NBADraft.net, but we very well could end up there if Team Tank continues to become Team Playoff.

Regardless though, it just sucks whoever we draft is going to be development player and not an immediate impact player like Fultz.
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It is interesting because I do not see Markkanen going outside top 10. At the same time I am really surprised they have Hartenstein projected as high as 17.

I prefer DraftRoom, which have those two at similar projections but actual Draftee + Team seem more realistic than NBADraft.net having Ntilikina (PG) going to Portland.
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2017-nba-mock-draft.html

Have to say, Ntilikina does seem interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvv2cfGqioE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vl7d9AQG4Q

He seems to have attacking mentality. Not sure of him as top10 pick and there is a valid reason why he is worst of top PG prospects. http://basketball.realgm.com/analysi...-Of-Strasbourg
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The two top 10 pgs Kris Dunn and perhaps Hield who is more of a SG. They really haven't done anything to impress. Those guys went 5 and 6, and I'd easily take Ferrell over them at this point.
The class looks weak overall I agree. But Yogi's age is reason alone he'd be outside the top 10 and more than likely the top 15. I think his size plus his age would be enough to keep him out of the lotto even if you factor in how he's looked since joining the Mavs.
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The class looks weak overall I agree. But Yogi's age is reason alone he'd be outside the top 10 and more than likely the top 15. I think his size plus his age would be enough to keep him out of the lotto even if you factor in how he's looked since joining the Mavs.
This.

I love Yogi, but he's not the type of guy who gets drafted high. 23-year-old senior who barely breaks 6'0" and stalled out in his development his senior year?

It's not logical, but there is a reason JJB was undrafted despite his talent level and MCW was a lottery pick. It's all about size, youth, and advanced analytics (which don't measure BBIQ and internal fire so they're often wrong).
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Hey, good ole Shan Larkin was drafted #18 at 5'11 171 lbs.

Kemba Walker drafted number 9 is 6'1, 184.

Chris Paul is listed at 6 ft (probably shorter) 175 lbs drafted number 4.

It's kinda interesting actually looking at their (Paul, Ferrell) college stats.

Paul's sophomore year stats...15.3 ppg, 6.6 apg, 4.4 rpg, .45% fg, .474 3pt.

Yogi's senior stats...17.3 ppg, 5.6 apg, 3.8 rpg, 48% fg, 42% 3pt.


I fully understand why teams pass on shorter guys, but I still don't see any way he drops out of at least the top 10 knowing what we know now age and height be damned. The 2016 draft was that bad.

But hey, glad he wasn't drafted and luck had him falling into our laps.
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I don't think people realize how disruptive small quick PGs can be on both sides of the ball.

It's damn near impossible to get to your spot or go where you want to go with them and if you put the ball on the floor the advantage instantly goes to them.
They can literally frustrate players and take them completely away from their game.

On the offensive end they can wear their opponents down and breakdown defenses if they have an outside shot and the ability to penetrate both of which are strong skills that both JJ and Yogi have.

But I do agree GMs won't take a chance on them high in the draft so they are the type of players who end up being great 2nd round choices or UFAs.

A player I'd love to pick in the 2nd round is undersized but could fit our system and really bring it is Devonte Graham. He's only 6'2" but has similar skills as Curry and can light it up from anywhere and has tons of confidence. If he comes out and is undrafted or we get a late 2nd rounder I'd take him in a heartbeat. Reminds me a lot of JET. One of those guys who would instantly become a crowd favorite.

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I don't think people realize how disruptive small quick PGs can be on both sides of the ball.

It's damn near impossible to get to your spot or go where you want to go with them and if you put the ball on the floor the advantage instantly goes to them.
They can literally frustrate players and take them completely away from their game.

On the offensive end they can wear their opponents down and breakdown defenses if they have an outside shot and the ability to penetrate both of which are strong skills that both JJ and Yogi have.

But I do agree GMs won't take a chance on them high in the draft so they are the type of players who end up being great 2nd round choices or UFAs.

A player I'd love to pick in the 2nd round is undersized but could fit our system and really bring it is Devonte Graham. He's only 6'2" but has similar skills as Curry and can light it up from anywhere and has tons of confidence. If he comes out and is undrafted or we get a late 2nd rounder I'd take him in a heartbeat. Reminds me a lot of JET. One of those guys who would instantly become a crowd favorite.
I'm hoping that the league swings back in that direction. For a while it was all about height, but guys like Isaiah Thomas, Lowry, Mills, and Yogi may be starting to bring short back. We've seen the complete death of post play among both guards and forwards, which is a plus so it's all about driving/passing and shooting threes now. At least on offense, that gives an advantage to shorter guys. On defense the refs have basically made it impossible to draw charges and to contest threes smaller guards basically have to foul the shooter to get even close to contesting. That makes it tough for short guys, but Barea learned to stay on the floor by becoming elite at deflections, steals, and charges.

Then again, the league wants to be offense-first.
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Some people know, they just don't like it...


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I think the general consensus of GMs is.....when in doubt go big.
Not sure that is the safest way to go anymore with the league changing the way it has.
Until GMs pick up on it we should take advantage of the opportunities of highly skilled players slipping to the 2nd round or going undrafted.
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I do wonder if Ferrell changes things with regards to the draft. Good news is that the PGs available at our pick will likely be either Fox or Frank...both who can play with Yogi if need be because of their size.

Interesting and rather surprising to see Robert Williams make his way up the ladder. He is definitely a raw and potential pick, but has excellent shot blocking skills. Short for center, but his wingspan seems to make up for it. Keeping on eye on him.
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I do wonder if Ferrell changes things with regards to the draft. Good news is that the PGs available at our pick will likely be either Fox or Frank...both who can play with Yogi if need be because of their size.
I can't say I've seen one minute of Fox but just reading about him sounds a hell of a lot like Devin Harris when he was drafted...height, frame, speed, plays out of control at times (I remember that being a knock on Harris), great in transition, good touch on lob passes, gets where he wants off the dribble, inconsistent shooter, top notch on the ball defender, etc...
So if that is so and we draft him we'd basically have Harris (Fox), JJ (Yogi) and JET (Curry) clones

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deaaron-fox

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