Dallas-Mavs.com Forums
Old 02-15-2017, 10:40 AM   #281
saclare
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 976
saclare has much to be proud ofsaclare has much to be proud ofsaclare has much to be proud ofsaclare has much to be proud ofsaclare has much to be proud ofsaclare has much to be proud ofsaclare has much to be proud ofsaclare has much to be proud ofsaclare has much to be proud ofsaclare has much to be proud ofsaclare has much to be proud of
Default

Has there been any player from the 2016 draft making waves? Supremely underwhelming draft class. Simmons unknown, and should be good, but bleh from everyone else so far.

We can only hope this draft class lives up to its billing...
saclare is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 02-16-2017, 04:21 AM   #282
mac222b
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,162
mac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by saclare View Post
Has there been any player from the 2016 draft making waves? Supremely underwhelming draft class. Simmons unknown, and should be good, but bleh from everyone else so far.

We can only hope this draft class lives up to its billing...
Chriss and Jaylen Brown have been starting at times. Sabonis is starting for OKC and is going to be a really good player for the next decade plus. Bender should be a good player down the road. Pascal Siakam has been starting for Toronto. Ingram is super young but could be an all-star level player in a few.

There may not be many stars but definitely good quality players throughout. And I'm sure I'm forgetting a few.
mac222b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 04:42 PM   #283
DevinHarriswillstart
Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 14,202
DevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by saclare View Post
Has there been any player from the 2016 draft making waves? Supremely underwhelming draft class. Simmons unknown, and should be good, but bleh from everyone else so far.

We can only hope this draft class lives up to its billing...
I think Ferrell is easily a top 5 pick if it was done today. I can't believe how absolutely terrible that draft was talent-wise.
__________________
DevinHarriswillstart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 06:49 PM   #284
sefant77
Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Brasil
Posts: 11,425
sefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

too early to tell
sefant77 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 08:20 PM   #285
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 28,662
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Whoa there
__________________
EricaLubarsky is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 09:14 PM   #286
DevinHarriswillstart
Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 14,202
DevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Top five in the 2016 draft. Tell me who stands out to you?

The two top 10 pgs Kris Dunn and perhaps Hield who is more of a SG. They really haven't done anything to impress. Those guys went 5 and 6, and I'd easily take Ferrell over them at this point.
__________________

Last edited by DevinHarriswillstart; 02-16-2017 at 09:18 PM.
DevinHarriswillstart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 08:57 AM   #287
Thebo
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 477
Thebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to behold
Default

My god, since Fultz is off the table for Mavs...

Was checking Dirk's old plays and wanted instantly see where Markkanen is at the moment...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7s2iFo1F2M

No guarantees but still... Perhaps he is able to fall to 7th pick or something.
Thebo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 09:41 AM   #288
MavzMan
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 738
MavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thebo View Post
My god, since Fultz is off the table for Mavs...

Was checking Dirk's old plays and wanted instantly see where Markkanen is at the moment...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7s2iFo1F2M

No guarantees but still... Perhaps he is able to fall to 7th pick or something.
He is current #12 on NBADraft.net, but we very well could end up there if Team Tank continues to become Team Playoff.

Regardless though, it just sucks whoever we draft is going to be development player and not an immediate impact player like Fultz.
MavzMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 10:34 AM   #289
Thebo
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 477
Thebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to behold
Default

It is interesting because I do not see Markkanen going outside top 10. At the same time I am really surprised they have Hartenstein projected as high as 17.

I prefer DraftRoom, which have those two at similar projections but actual Draftee + Team seem more realistic than NBADraft.net having Ntilikina (PG) going to Portland.
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2017-nba-mock-draft.html

Have to say, Ntilikina does seem interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvv2cfGqioE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vl7d9AQG4Q

He seems to have attacking mentality. Not sure of him as top10 pick and there is a valid reason why he is worst of top PG prospects. http://basketball.realgm.com/analysi...-Of-Strasbourg
Thebo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 11:40 AM   #290
Bryan_Wilson
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 3,225
Bryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart View Post
Top five in the 2016 draft. Tell me who stands out to you?

The two top 10 pgs Kris Dunn and perhaps Hield who is more of a SG. They really haven't done anything to impress. Those guys went 5 and 6, and I'd easily take Ferrell over them at this point.
The class looks weak overall I agree. But Yogi's age is reason alone he'd be outside the top 10 and more than likely the top 15. I think his size plus his age would be enough to keep him out of the lotto even if you factor in how he's looked since joining the Mavs.
Bryan_Wilson is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 12:42 PM   #291
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 28,662
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson View Post
The class looks weak overall I agree. But Yogi's age is reason alone he'd be outside the top 10 and more than likely the top 15. I think his size plus his age would be enough to keep him out of the lotto even if you factor in how he's looked since joining the Mavs.
This.

I love Yogi, but he's not the type of guy who gets drafted high. 23-year-old senior who barely breaks 6'0" and stalled out in his development his senior year?

It's not logical, but there is a reason JJB was undrafted despite his talent level and MCW was a lottery pick. It's all about size, youth, and advanced analytics (which don't measure BBIQ and internal fire so they're often wrong).
__________________

Last edited by EricaLubarsky; 02-17-2017 at 12:46 PM.
EricaLubarsky is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 01:18 PM   #292
DevinHarriswillstart
Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 14,202
DevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Hey, good ole Shan Larkin was drafted #18 at 5'11 171 lbs.

Kemba Walker drafted number 9 is 6'1, 184.

Chris Paul is listed at 6 ft (probably shorter) 175 lbs drafted number 4.

It's kinda interesting actually looking at their (Paul, Ferrell) college stats.

Paul's sophomore year stats...15.3 ppg, 6.6 apg, 4.4 rpg, .45% fg, .474 3pt.

Yogi's senior stats...17.3 ppg, 5.6 apg, 3.8 rpg, 48% fg, 42% 3pt.


I fully understand why teams pass on shorter guys, but I still don't see any way he drops out of at least the top 10 knowing what we know now age and height be damned. The 2016 draft was that bad.

But hey, glad he wasn't drafted and luck had him falling into our laps.
__________________
DevinHarriswillstart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 02:31 PM   #293
rimrocker
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,628
rimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud of
Default

I don't think people realize how disruptive small quick PGs can be on both sides of the ball.

It's damn near impossible to get to your spot or go where you want to go with them and if you put the ball on the floor the advantage instantly goes to them.
They can literally frustrate players and take them completely away from their game.

On the offensive end they can wear their opponents down and breakdown defenses if they have an outside shot and the ability to penetrate both of which are strong skills that both JJ and Yogi have.

But I do agree GMs won't take a chance on them high in the draft so they are the type of players who end up being great 2nd round choices or UFAs.

A player I'd love to pick in the 2nd round is undersized but could fit our system and really bring it is Devonte Graham. He's only 6'2" but has similar skills as Curry and can light it up from anywhere and has tons of confidence. If he comes out and is undrafted or we get a late 2nd rounder I'd take him in a heartbeat. Reminds me a lot of JET. One of those guys who would instantly become a crowd favorite.

Last edited by rimrocker; 02-17-2017 at 02:33 PM.
rimrocker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 02:57 PM   #294
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 28,662
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rimrocker View Post
I don't think people realize how disruptive small quick PGs can be on both sides of the ball.

It's damn near impossible to get to your spot or go where you want to go with them and if you put the ball on the floor the advantage instantly goes to them.
They can literally frustrate players and take them completely away from their game.

On the offensive end they can wear their opponents down and breakdown defenses if they have an outside shot and the ability to penetrate both of which are strong skills that both JJ and Yogi have.

But I do agree GMs won't take a chance on them high in the draft so they are the type of players who end up being great 2nd round choices or UFAs.

A player I'd love to pick in the 2nd round is undersized but could fit our system and really bring it is Devonte Graham. He's only 6'2" but has similar skills as Curry and can light it up from anywhere and has tons of confidence. If he comes out and is undrafted or we get a late 2nd rounder I'd take him in a heartbeat. Reminds me a lot of JET. One of those guys who would instantly become a crowd favorite.
I'm hoping that the league swings back in that direction. For a while it was all about height, but guys like Isaiah Thomas, Lowry, Mills, and Yogi may be starting to bring short back. We've seen the complete death of post play among both guards and forwards, which is a plus so it's all about driving/passing and shooting threes now. At least on offense, that gives an advantage to shorter guys. On defense the refs have basically made it impossible to draw charges and to contest threes smaller guards basically have to foul the shooter to get even close to contesting. That makes it tough for short guys, but Barea learned to stay on the floor by becoming elite at deflections, steals, and charges.

Then again, the league wants to be offense-first.
__________________

Last edited by EricaLubarsky; 02-17-2017 at 03:06 PM.
EricaLubarsky is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 03:14 PM   #295
Underdog
Moderator
 
Underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jun 2011
Posts: 30,695
Underdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rimrocker View Post
I don't think people realize how disruptive small quick PGs can be on both sides of the ball.
Some people know, they just don't like it...


__________________

Its the Dirk Nowitzki effect on their offense. As a defense, you absolutely overreact to every situation hes
in -- or even that hes not in -- and then you lose all sight of your team defensive rules." --Erik Spoelstra
Underdog is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 03:41 PM   #296
rimrocker
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,628
rimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog View Post
Some people know, they just don't like it...


I think the general consensus of GMs is.....when in doubt go big.
Not sure that is the safest way to go anymore with the league changing the way it has.
Until GMs pick up on it we should take advantage of the opportunities of highly skilled players slipping to the 2nd round or going undrafted.
rimrocker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 04:30 PM   #297
DevinHarriswillstart
Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 14,202
DevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I do wonder if Ferrell changes things with regards to the draft. Good news is that the PGs available at our pick will likely be either Fox or Frank...both who can play with Yogi if need be because of their size.

Interesting and rather surprising to see Robert Williams make his way up the ladder. He is definitely a raw and potential pick, but has excellent shot blocking skills. Short for center, but his wingspan seems to make up for it. Keeping on eye on him.
__________________
DevinHarriswillstart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2017, 03:13 PM   #298
rimrocker
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,628
rimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart View Post
I do wonder if Ferrell changes things with regards to the draft. Good news is that the PGs available at our pick will likely be either Fox or Frank...both who can play with Yogi if need be because of their size.
I can't say I've seen one minute of Fox but just reading about him sounds a hell of a lot like Devin Harris when he was drafted...height, frame, speed, plays out of control at times (I remember that being a knock on Harris), great in transition, good touch on lob passes, gets where he wants off the dribble, inconsistent shooter, top notch on the ball defender, etc...
So if that is so and we draft him we'd basically have Harris (Fox), JJ (Yogi) and JET (Curry) clones

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deaaron-fox

Last edited by rimrocker; 02-18-2017 at 03:18 PM.
rimrocker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2017, 10:52 PM   #299
mac222b
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,162
mac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Really like what I've seen of Frank Nkitilina. Smooth
mac222b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2017, 12:12 AM   #300
MavzMan
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 738
MavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky View Post
Then again, the league wants to be offense-first.
This is true during regular season. A team can win a ton of regular season games with very good offense. But every single year, the refs choke on their whistles the farther it goes in the playoffs and teams that have top defense to go with that offense will win.
MavzMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2017, 09:20 AM   #301
minkbarn
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 173
minkbarn is just really niceminkbarn is just really niceminkbarn is just really niceminkbarn is just really niceminkbarn is just really niceminkbarn is just really nice
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mac222b View Post
Chriss and Jaylen Brown have been starting at times. Sabonis is starting for OKC and is going to be a really good player for the next decade plus. Bender should be a good player down the road. Pascal Siakam has been starting for Toronto. Ingram is super young but could be an all-star level player in a few.

There may not be many stars but definitely good quality players throughout. And I'm sure I'm forgetting a few.

I agree with this. It's a draft class without anyone breaking out quickly but with a bunch of to-be-determined players who are either still developing their skills or still developing their physical frames. Plus Simmons hasn't played.

There will be some stars from this group but no one knows who they are yet.

Another interesting name from this class is center Ante Zizic (pick #23) who is way ahead of schedule and looking very good in the Euroleague playing for David Blatt with Darussafaka Dogus. He'll be coming over next year. According to an NBA GM interviewed in a recent Sporting News article, he'd be a lottery pick in this year's stronger draft, maybe top 10.
minkbarn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2017, 01:17 PM   #302
Underdog
Moderator
 
Underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jun 2011
Posts: 30,695
Underdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond repute
Default

@tim_cato: I'd start reading Frank Ntilikina scouting reports if you're a Mavs fan
__________________

Its the Dirk Nowitzki effect on their offense. As a defense, you absolutely overreact to every situation hes
in -- or even that hes not in -- and then you lose all sight of your team defensive rules." --Erik Spoelstra
Underdog is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2017, 01:22 PM   #303
mac222b
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,162
mac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond reputemac222b has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog View Post
@tim_cato: I'd start reading Frank Ntilikina scouting reports if you're a Mavs fan
This is my guy. Hope he's there for us when we pick. Wouldn't be surprised if he creeps up into top 6
mac222b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2017, 01:57 PM   #304
sefant77
Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Brasil
Posts: 11,425
sefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

There are several teams picking ahead of us that are set at the PG position. Wouldnt be surprised if a really nice PG prospect is dropping to us.
sefant77 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2017, 04:44 PM   #305
sefant77
Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Brasil
Posts: 11,425
sefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

http://www.tankathon.com/

5th click and we jumped to #2...that would be awesome. 6th click and we got #3

Last edited by sefant77; 02-23-2017 at 04:45 PM.
sefant77 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2017, 09:47 PM   #306
DevinHarriswillstart
Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 14,202
DevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Second click got number 1. Awww yeah.

3rd click number 2. 4th click number 1 again.

Fultz in the bag baby.
__________________

Last edited by DevinHarriswillstart; 02-23-2017 at 09:48 PM.
DevinHarriswillstart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2017, 11:38 PM   #307
Thebo
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 477
Thebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart View Post
Second click got number 1. Awww yeah.

3rd click number 2. 4th click number 1 again.

Fultz in the bag baby.
1st click and Dallas 1st pick.
4th click was 2nd pick. Other 3 clicks ended outside top 5.
Thebo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2017, 11:46 PM   #308
sefant77
Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Brasil
Posts: 11,425
sefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Well, it would be great if we would keep the 7th worst record. The percentage getting into the top-3 jumps to 15% there...

But honestly i cant see this. At least five garbage teams in the east and two in the west.

Last edited by sefant77; 02-23-2017 at 11:46 PM.
sefant77 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2017, 11:50 PM   #309
rimrocker
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,628
rimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mac222b View Post
This is my guy. Hope he's there for us when we pick. Wouldn't be surprised if he creeps up into top 6
Ntilikina would probably be a nice fit in our backcourt consider we currently have 3 of them 6'1 and under (4 if Jackson is signed). He could play with another PG or at least a nice change of pace.
My only concern with him is that it could take several years to develop him into an NBA starter quality PG where a guy like Yogi looks to be NBA ready right now. Some of those other guys in the draft at other positions look ready to go right now.
rimrocker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2017, 12:02 AM   #310
MavzMan
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 738
MavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sefant77 View Post
Well, it would be great if we would keep the 7th worst record. The percentage getting into the top-3 jumps to 15% there...
Wow, I totally didn't notice that percentage. That is huge since Boston with the first pick really does not have a need for Fultz and could use a guy like Josh Jackson more. Makes it possible to trade up from #2 or #3 to get that #1 PG pick. Only think happy thoughts up until May 16th!
MavzMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2017, 06:05 AM   #311
Thebo
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 477
Thebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to beholdThebo is a splendid one to behold
Default

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfSGg1FqseY

Really like Markkanen. I am quite sure that if Boston does not end up drafting at 1st, he is going there. Hard to imagine anyone not drafting Fultz first. Markkanen would be nice to have after Dirk retires. He would also be perfect to have in starting lineup and Dirk coming off the bench for the last years of his career. But still, I do not see him fitting well with Barnes and Noel, since Rick prefers to keep Barnes at PF.
Thebo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2017, 11:10 AM   #312
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 28,662
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Would he be a guard for us? Matthews/Barnes/Noel seem to be our future front court. Don't know where he's get his minutes unless he's going to play 6th man
__________________
EricaLubarsky is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2017, 11:15 AM   #313
rimrocker
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,628
rimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thebo View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfSGg1FqseY

Really like Markkanen. I am quite sure that if Boston does not end up drafting at 1st, he is going there. Hard to imagine anyone not drafting Fultz first. Markkanen would be nice to have after Dirk retires. He would also be perfect to have in starting lineup and Dirk coming off the bench for the last years of his career. But still, I do not see him fitting well with Barnes and Noel, since Rick prefers to keep Barnes at PF.
Yeah, I've been very impressed with him as Dirk's possible replacement. Wasn't overly impressed with him last night against UCLA (what little I saw) but think he would be a great complement to Noel.
The problem is he plays Barnes' position so not sure how that would work out because our pick has to be starter quality at the very least.

Last edited by rimrocker; 02-26-2017 at 11:26 AM.
rimrocker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2017, 11:30 AM   #314
rimrocker
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,628
rimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud of
Default

Kind of interesting how these 3 mock drafts have us taking Fox....one of them over Smith.
I see Fox as a Devin Harris clone so I could be okay with a Fox/Curry/Yogi rotation for the next 6 years or so.
Fox's ability to penetrate and pass could be lethal and fun to watch with Noel.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft

http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2017-nba-mock-draft.html

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

Last edited by rimrocker; 02-26-2017 at 11:37 AM.
rimrocker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2017, 11:38 AM   #315
Underdog
Moderator
 
Underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jun 2011
Posts: 30,695
Underdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Markkanen only makes sense if Barnes moves back to SF, or if Dirk plays exclusively as a 10-15 MPG backup center. Otherwise I see him getting lost in the shuffle a la Crowder/Anderson, especially with a "Carlisle guy" like Finney-Smith starting to step up his game.

I'd still target a PG in this draft, with Yogi taking on the Barea role off the bench... Seems like we still have way too many players at the 2-4 positions for anyone else to make sense... And no reason to go after a center with a high pick either if we can get Noel locked up on a longterm deal.

Fultz, Ball, Smith Jr, Fox, Ntilikina -- whoever is there when we pick.
__________________

Its the Dirk Nowitzki effect on their offense. As a defense, you absolutely overreact to every situation hes
in -- or even that hes not in -- and then you lose all sight of your team defensive rules." --Erik Spoelstra
Underdog is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2017, 11:48 AM   #316
rimrocker
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,628
rimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog View Post

Fultz, Ball, Smith Jr, Fox, Ntilikina -- whoever is there when we pick.
That's why I hope we are picking 7 or better...almost guaranteed one of them or Jackson or Isaac.
Right now we are 8.

Last edited by rimrocker; 02-26-2017 at 11:54 AM.
rimrocker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2017, 11:53 AM   #317
Underdog
Moderator
 
Underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jun 2011
Posts: 30,695
Underdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rimrocker View Post
That's why I hope we are picking 7 or better...almost guaranteed one of them or Jackson or Isaac.
Right now we are 8.
I think top-10 gets one of those guys... And there's always a possibility that one of them slides past that, considering the awful front offices picking ahead of us.
__________________

Its the Dirk Nowitzki effect on their offense. As a defense, you absolutely overreact to every situation hes
in -- or even that hes not in -- and then you lose all sight of your team defensive rules." --Erik Spoelstra

Last edited by Underdog; 02-26-2017 at 11:58 AM.
Underdog is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2017, 01:29 PM   #318
rimrocker
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,628
rimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog View Post
I think top-10 gets one of those guys... And there's always a possibility that one of them slides past that, considering the awful front offices picking ahead of us.
Yeah....Tatum, Markkanen and Monk could easily go before Fox and/or Ntilikina.
I'd be pleasantly shocked if Smith falls to us.
Fultz and Ball are too unrealistic at this point imo.
rimrocker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2017, 02:05 PM   #319
Underdog
Moderator
 
Underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jun 2011
Posts: 30,695
Underdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rimrocker View Post
Yeah....Tatum, Markkanen and Monk could easily go before Fox and/or Ntilikina.
I'd be pleasantly shocked if Smith falls to us.
Fultz and Ball are too unrealistic at this point imo.
Yeah, probably... There's a good chance we play over/around .500 to close out the season with Noel on the roster.
__________________

Its the Dirk Nowitzki effect on their offense. As a defense, you absolutely overreact to every situation hes
in -- or even that hes not in -- and then you lose all sight of your team defensive rules." --Erik Spoelstra

Last edited by Underdog; 02-26-2017 at 02:06 PM.
Underdog is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2017, 03:56 PM   #320
Bryan_Wilson
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 3,225
Bryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant futureBryan_Wilson has a brilliant future
Default

I like how quick Fox is, but man.... 17% on 3's. There's bad... and then there's the rocky 5 sequel... and then there's fox's 3 point shooting.

Last edited by Bryan_Wilson; 02-26-2017 at 03:56 PM.
Bryan_Wilson is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.