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View Poll Results: Would you be dissappointed if we didn't make another trade
Yes! We're desperate. We need to maximize time 2 10.00%
Yes, but only the right one. Be aggressive but patient 15 75.00%
Apathetic. Just apathetic. 0 0%
No. Let's see what we have with KP and Doncic when they get healthy. 3 15.00%
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Old 01-14-2020, 08:41 PM   #241
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Why are some still pretending that big on big defense matters? Damn near every team in the league is running the same spread pick and roll offense the Mavs run, or at least something very similar. A winning big has to do three things, defensively:

1) Run back so they're set up in time. This requires foot speed and consistent effort, which eliminates 80% of the bigs in the league.

2) Be able to show and recover on those high pick and rolls. See #1 for the requirements here, and add in a dash of brain power. An extremely lucky team might even have one who can switch off onto a ball handler competently.

3) Protect the rim against dribble penetration (and NOT the post pass, which is so difficult most teams don't even attempt it anymore).

KP is literally a top 5 center in the league RIGHT NOW, provided he's healthy. Kleber is better than most starting centers, too.

It will be interesting to see how well this post ages into the playoffs.
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Old 01-14-2020, 09:28 PM   #242
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If given the choice between Mejri and Boban for that spot, wouldn't you rather have Boban?
Of course, but I would rather have Mejri as a safety valve behind Boban than nothing at all... Surely we can sacrifice Lee or a G-League call-up for some depth in the bigs?
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So if we don't get anything of value like a decent rotation player for the expiring c.lee contract would you guys be dissatisfied especially since the MBT hyped it up as a good trade chip?
Its a good trade chip and so is the Trade exception worth $11.7 million

But the MBT has specific goals and I understand them so I don't care if we lose the assets if it means that the goal of free agency in the future offseason is intact
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[QUOTE=Dallas41;1470140]So if we don't get anything of value like a decent rotation player for the expiring c.lee contract would you guys be dissatisfied especially since the MBT hyped it up as a good trade chip

Lot of variables. We have some good flexibility with Lee, TE, GS pick, Wright, Jackson, Brunson, maybe Seth or THJ so maybe they will try to swing for the fences first and get a starting lineup upgrade like Love, Reddick, Covington, Favors, Fournier, T. Thompson. Then there is the expiring Birds Rights type: Gallo, Saric, Bogdanovich who we would hope to re-sign. Derrick Rose is a second unit scoring type on a nice contract. Iggy...

If none of that happens hopefully they can get some draft pick compensation for taking on an expiring contract and saving a team $. But there has to be a fit out there. I wouldnít sacrifice the future just for the sake of making a move.
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One example would be Mahinmi and a young player (Mo Wagner, Bonga?) or two presumably higher second round picks (they have the higher of Memphis or Chicago in 2020) for Lee and filler. They save huge on tax. We get a young prospect or a couple of dart throws.

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Of course, but I would rather have Mejri as a safety valve behind Boban than nothing at all... Surely we can sacrifice Lee or a G-League call-up for some depth in the bigs?
This. Nobody ever suggested a Mejri for Boban swap. Mejri was brought up as another legitimate big for depth.

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It will be interesting to see how well this post ages into the playoffs.
Seriously, who was the last low post player to get his team to the finals?
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This. Nobody ever suggested a Mejri for Boban swap. Mejri was brought up as another legitimate big for depth.
Right, but...they’re already not playing Boban as much as some here would like, basically because they don’t feel like they can. If they need more ‘big’, then there he is!

There are four players on this roster who can play the 5 already.

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Seriously, who was the last low post player to get his team to the finals?
Its not about a alpha big to lead your team

It's more about bigs who can provide those important things to a playoff team in order to make a deep run.

The mavs really don't have much after KP in terms of rim protection and rebounding up front

I read a stat a few days ago that without KP the mavs ranked like 27th in points allowed in the paint tied with golden st and they were damn near last in offensive rebounds allowed without KP

Now take into consideration even with a healthy KP we only rank like 17th in defensive efficiency and you have the makeup of a team that isn't truly built to make a deep playoff run

Now I guess to some people that doesnt matter because they would be just happy to see the Mavs make the playoffs

The additional big doesn't have to be a starter he could be a solid rotation big that simply adds rim protection or rebounding in the manner of a Tyson Chandler that keyed so many critical stops doing that 2011 title run season

Remember the mavs didn't just have Chandler but they had Haywood and Mahinmi for depth and each played a key role

I personally think a guy like Favors off the bench would be perfect for this team but that's just my opinion If they happen to run into the likes of LA or Denver
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Its not about a alpha big to lead your team

It's more about bigs who can provide those important things to a playoff team in order to make a deep run.

The mavs really don't have much after KP in terms of rim protection and rebounding up front

I read a stat a few days ago that without KP the mavs ranked like 27th in points allowed in the paint tied with golden st and they were damn near last in offensive rebounds allowed without KP

Now take into consideration even with a healthy KP we only rank like 17th in defensive efficiency and you have the makeup of a team that isn't truly built to make a deep playoff run

Now I guess to some people that doesnt matter because they would be just happy to see the Mavs make the playoffs

The additional big doesn't have to be a starter he could be a solid rotation big that simply adds rim protection or rebounding in the manner of a Tyson Chandler that keyed so many critical stops doing that 2011 title run season

Remember the mavs didn't just have Chandler but they had Haywood and Mahinmi for depth and each played a key role

I personally think a guy like Favors off the bench would be perfect for this team but that's just my opinion If they happen to run into the likes of LA or Denver
Thanks for the clarification. I agree with some of this. Favors, ok. Versatility.

28 million for Dino-Drummond, NO.

Edit: half asleep, sorry. I’m in favor of a Favors type, but would have to check his contract out to be sure. The Mavs aren’t going to touch their 2021 cap space, and while that strategy used to drive me bonkers, in their current situation, I believe it’s actually the right approach.

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Last thing I’ll say about this and I’ll stop annoying the crap out of everyone:

1) yes Andre is a big presence in the middle, that cuts both ways... the Pistons are a much better offensive team with him off the floor because he clogs the lane

2) along with that size you have to accept that Andre can’t guard the pick and roll... he is in the 13th percentile guarding the pick and roll because he struggles on the perimeter... for comparison sake, Maxi is in the 67th percentile, KP (with similar perimeter issues) is 22nd percentile, and Powell is 47th percentile.

3) when it comes to being the roll man, Porzingis and Drummond are both not that great (around 30th percentile)... Powell is 85th percentile


It’s not surprising everybody wants Drummond when Porzingis is out… Porzingis is our Drummond, and has a similar effect on both defense and offense with the caveat that he spaces the floor. You will get roasted on defense if you try to play those two together. And yes, Dwight Powell is arguably a better player than Drummond and definitely is when adjusting for contract.
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Last thing Iíll say about this and Iíll stop annoying the crap out of everyone:

1) yes Andre is a big presence in the middle, that cuts both ways... the Pistons are a much better offensive team with him off the floor because he clogs the lane

2) along with that size you have to accept that Andre canít guard the pick and roll... he is in the 13th percentile guarding the pick and roll because he struggles on the perimeter... for comparison sake, Maxi is in the 67th percentile, KP (with similar perimeter issues) is 22nd percentile, and Powell is 47th percentile.

3) when it comes to being the roll man, Porzingis and Drummond are both not that great (around 30th percentile)... Powell is 85th percentile


Itís not surprising everybody wants Drummond when Porzingis is outÖ Porzingis is our Drummond, and has a similar effect on both defense and offense with the caveat that he spaces the floor. You will get roasted on defense if you try to play those two together. And yes, Dwight Powell is arguably a better player than Drummond and definitely is when adjusting for contract.
Druggggs.
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Powell is better than Drummond because of two good games? Who is your worm guy?

Listen, I'm obviously glad Powell is playing better but starting Kleber next to him was the big change. That credit should rest on Rick's shoulders.
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Right, but...theyíre already not playing Boban as much as some here would like, basically because they donít feel like they can. If they need more Ďbigí, then there he is!

There are four players on this roster who can play the 5 already.
Boban has received more steady minutes the last few games. Let's see how it plays out.

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Who said it was because of two good games?

My point is our rebounding is fine, KP does what Drummond does, and Powell is a far better floor spacer, pick and roll man, and pick and roll defender than Drummond at 1/3rd the cost.
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Last thing Iíll say about this and Iíll stop annoying the crap out of everyone:

1) yes Andre is a big presence in the middle, that cuts both ways... the Pistons are a much better offensive team with him off the floor because he clogs the lane

2) along with that size you have to accept that Andre canít guard the pick and roll... he is in the 13th percentile guarding the pick and roll because he struggles on the perimeter... for comparison sake, Maxi is in the 67th percentile, KP (with similar perimeter issues) is 22nd percentile, and Powell is 47th percentile.

3) when it comes to being the roll man, Porzingis and Drummond are both not that great (around 30th percentile)... Powell is 85th percentile

Itís not surprising everybody wants Drummond when Porzingis is outÖ Porzingis is our Drummond, and has a similar effect on both defense and offense with the caveat that he spaces the floor. You will get roasted on defense if you try to play those two together. And yes, Dwight Powell is arguably a better player than Drummond and definitely is when adjusting for contract.
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My point is our rebounding is fine,
Fact check: Correct. We're 5th in the league in rebounding percentage at 51.2% of rebounds secured. Drummond is a guy you get to pull down rebounds are we're already really strong there.

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KP does what Drummond does,
fact check: no, other than shot blocking

Jump shots
KP 81%
Drummond 25%

Inside shots
KP 19%
Drummond 75%

post points per possession
0.96 points - Drummond
0.57 - Porzingis

rebounding %
Drummond - 4th in the league
KP - 74th in the league


KP doesn't rebound particularly well and doesn't have a post game. Both are good shot blockers. Drummond doesn't have a jumper.

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Powell is a far better floor spacer,
Fact check: hard to justify. Powell can take threes, but he doesn't hit them well. Powell does a nice job not clogging the lane like Drummond, but he's not a huge threat to spread the floor. Neither one does a nice job of that.

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pick and roll man
Fact check: correct

Roll man % of possessions
27.1% Powell
16.1% Drummond

Points per possession as roll man
1.33 Powell
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pick and roll defender than Drummond
Fact check: not really.

Both are below average and nearly tied in inside defense (I can't find a strictly PnR defense stat, but inside defense and DEFRTG is good)

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at 1/3rd the cost.
Fact check: mostly correct.

10mill - Powell
27mill - Drummond
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Last thing Iíll say about this and Iíll stop annoying the crap out of everyone:

1) yes Andre is a big presence in the middle, that cuts both ways... the Pistons are a much better offensive team with him off the floor because he clogs the lane

2) along with that size you have to accept that Andre canít guard the pick and roll... he is in the 13th percentile guarding the pick and roll because he struggles on the perimeter... for comparison sake, Maxi is in the 67th percentile, KP (with similar perimeter issues) is 22nd percentile, and Powell is 47th percentile.

3) when it comes to being the roll man, Porzingis and Drummond are both not that great (around 30th percentile)... Powell is 85th percentile


Itís not surprising everybody wants Drummond when Porzingis is outÖ Porzingis is our Drummond, and has a similar effect on both defense and offense with the caveat that he spaces the floor. You will get roasted on defense if you try to play those two together. And yes, Dwight Powell is arguably a better player than Drummond and definitely is when adjusting for contract.
Sorry man canít let you slide with this. Just flat out say you donít watch Drummond and well call it a day. To say he doesnít guard the pick and roll is laughable. Off the top of my head, He chased down blocked a guard last week guarding from the 3 point line. He can also run full court with the ball. Powell would bounce it off his nose if he tried that. Skill alone Drummond is better.

Those stats posted donít show anything except Powell plays on a team better than Drummond. Who the hell does Andre have to pnr with? Thereís no way you switch Powell onto Detroit and tell me heís anywhere near Andres level. And vice versa Drummond does everything better than Powell does for this team.

And for the love of basketball please stop talking about clogging up the gd lane. The Lakers have Howard AD and McGee and somehow someway itís successful. Jokic doesnít clog up the lane. Steven Adams doesnít clog up the lane.
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Last thing Iíll say about this and Iíll stop annoying the crap out of everyone:

1) yes Andre is a big presence in the middle, that cuts both ways... the Pistons are a much better offensive team with him off the floor because he clogs the lane

2) along with that size you have to accept that Andre canít guard the pick and roll... he is in the 13th percentile guarding the pick and roll because he struggles on the perimeter... for comparison sake, Maxi is in the 67th percentile, KP (with similar perimeter issues) is 22nd percentile, and Powell is 47th percentile.

3) when it comes to being the roll man, Porzingis and Drummond are both not that great (around 30th percentile)... Powell is 85th percentile


Itís not surprising everybody wants Drummond when Porzingis is outÖ Porzingis is our Drummond, and has a similar effect on both defense and offense with the caveat that he spaces the floor. You will get roasted on defense if you try to play those two together. And yes, Dwight Powell is arguably a better player than Drummond and definitely is when adjusting for contract.
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Right, because KP hasn't been playing. So good job, front office, in giving the coach great depth to work with there!
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I'm gonna make a prediction here, stick my neck out just a bit:

I don't believe Drummond will get moved, because that contract is TERRRRRRIBLE. He has a player option (which he 100% will exercise) that will guarantee him north of $28 million next year (YIKES). IF he is moved, I believe it will be to one of the few remaining clueless teams in the league. ATL, NYK, Charlotte, or someone of that ilk.
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I'm gonna make a prediction here, stick my neck out just a bit:

I don't believe Drummond will get moved, because that contract is TERRRRRRIBLE. He has a player option (which he 100% will exercise) that will guarantee him north of $28 million next year (YIKES). IF he is moved, I believe it will be to one of the few remaining clueless teams in the league. ATL, NYK, Charlotte, or someone of that ilk.
You think he'll opt in? He'll opt out and get paid in a weak FA class. Someone will give him 20m+ per year.
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I'm gonna make a prediction here, stick my neck out just a bit:

I don't believe Drummond will get moved, because that contract is TERRRRRRIBLE. He has a player option (which he 100% will exercise) that will guarantee him north of $28 million next year (YIKES). IF he is moved, I believe it will be to one of the few remaining clueless teams in the league. ATL, NYK, Charlotte, or someone of that ilk.
I don't know whether he will opt in or not, but I know teams obviously aren't giving up much or he would have been moved by now. Agent leaked that rumor to garner a bidding war, and that failed.

Either way, teams aren't going to risk losing big assets when he can just walk this summer.
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I'm gonna make a prediction here, stick my neck out just a bit:

I don't believe Drummond will get moved, because that contract is TERRRRRRIBLE. He has a player option (which he 100% will exercise) that will guarantee him north of $28 million next year (YIKES). IF he is moved, I believe it will be to one of the few remaining clueless teams in the league. ATL, NYK, Charlotte, or someone of that ilk.
If he would opt in, I would give up assets for him. That way his FA period would line up with what we want and he would help us win this year and next

$28m is Mark's problem
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You think he'll opt in? He'll opt out and get paid in a weak FA class. Someone will give him 20m+ per year.
I'll make a sig bet with you about that, if you want.
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If he would opt in, I would give up assets for him. That way his FA period would line up with what we want and he would help us win this year and next

$28m is Mark's problem
I can think of no way to combine Mavs' assets to make a legal trade that doesn't result in much more talent going to Detroit than what's coming back to Dallas.
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Sorry man canít let you slide with this. Just flat out say you donít watch Drummond and well call it a day. To say he doesnít guard the pick and roll is laughable. Off the top of my head, He chased down blocked a guard last week guarding from the 3 point line. He can also run full court with the ball. Powell would bounce it off his nose if he tried that. Skill alone Drummond is better.

Those stats posted donít show anything except Powell plays on a team better than Drummond. Who the hell does Andre have to pnr with? Thereís no way you switch Powell onto Detroit and tell me heís anywhere near Andres level. And vice versa Drummond does everything better than Powell does for this team.

And for the love of basketball please stop talking about clogging up the gd lane. The Lakers have Howard AD and McGee and somehow someway itís successful. Jokic doesnít clog up the lane. Steven Adams doesnít clog up the lane.
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Because you don't understand or appreciate actual talent?
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Sorry man canít let you slide with this. Just flat out say you donít watch Drummond and well call it a day. To say he doesnít guard the pick and roll is laughable. Off the top of my head, He chased down blocked a guard last week guarding from the 3 point line. He can also run full court with the ball. Powell would bounce it off his nose if he tried that. Skill alone Drummond is better.

Those stats posted donít show anything except Powell plays on a team better than Drummond. Who the hell does Andre have to pnr with? Thereís no way you switch Powell onto Detroit and tell me heís anywhere near Andres level. And vice versa Drummond does everything better than Powell does for this team.

And for the love of basketball please stop talking about clogging up the gd lane. The Lakers have Howard AD and McGee and somehow someway itís successful. Jokic doesnít clog up the lane. Steven Adams doesnít clog up the lane.



Lol got it. You saw a good play once and therefore Drummond is good. Letís just agree to disagree until Drummond is on his 4th team since leaving Detroit 3 years from now.
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Its possible. We trade the TPE for someone like Meyers Leonard. Then combine Leonard with Lee and trade for Drummond. Maybe throw in OUR second to grease the wheels
They must want more than a straight salary dump though right and even more than just our GS pick
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And for the love of basketball please stop talking about clogging up the gd lane. The Lakers have Howard AD and McGee and somehow someway itís successful. Jokic doesnít clog up the lane. Steven Adams doesnít clog up the lane.
These players aren't remotely similar offensively to Drummond. AD and Jokic are very versatile. They both grew up playing point guard. Howard, Mcgee, and Adams are face up dunkers. They are similar to Powell.
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They must want more than a straight salary dump though right and even more than just our GS pick
Listening to the beat writer for the Pistons on the Athletic, they might trade him for that return. Detroit is terrified that Drummond is going to opt in and it seems like they would dump him for expiring contracts. That way they have $60m in money during free agency this year and can pick up a couple of new players
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Much the same way the Mavs were convinced that Barnes would opt in last year and would ruin our off season plans

We basically took a salary dump deal for Barnes so Detroit might do the same

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Listening to the beat writer for the Pistons on the Athletic, they might trade him for that return. Detroit is terrified that Drummond is going to opt in and it seems like they would dump him for expiring contracts. That way they have $60m in money during free agency this year and can pick up a couple of new players
I saw one of their beat writers say that they donít want to trade Rose, because they have playoff aspirations next year. This is right after he made a tweet about what the roster looks like without Drummond on it, so I guess itís possible they are looking for a straight up salary dump.
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