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Kobe Has Yet To Play In Preseason

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LOS ANGELES -- Beleaguered Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant did not play against LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers on Thursday night. It is possible he will see his first preseason action Friday against the Phoenix Suns, though.

"I haven't ruled out tomorrow for Kobe, depending on how feels," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said. "I think he could play five minutes, seven minutes, something like that."

After returning from Eagle, Colo., after the end of a preliminary hearing in his sexual assault case, Bryant was excused from the team's morning shootaround Thursday. He was not available for comment before the game against the Cavs -- the Lakers' fourth game of the preseason.

Bryant has not taken part in full practices or scrimmages while recovering from knee surgery. He said he lost 15 pounds during the offseason, mostly from stress, and his conditioning will be a factor when he eventually returns to the court.

Friday night's matchup with the Suns will be the final preseason game at Staples Center, and Jackson seemed to feel it was important to get Bryant onto the court in a non-hostile environment.

"It's kind of good to get him into a public arena in a situation where there's a game-type situation against other NBA players," Jackson said.

The Lakers' final three preseason games will be played in Bakersfield, Anaheim and Las Vegas. They open the regular season Oct. 28 at home against the Dallas Mavericks.

Shaquille O'Neal (bruised heel) also sat out against Cleveland. Jackson said he did not know when O'Neal would be ready to play.

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I knew that he had lost weight, but didn't realize it was as much as 15 lbs. I wonder just how ready he will be for the opener against us?
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I contend that the Lakers area better team right now without the drama queen.
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I contend that the Lakers area better team right now without the drama queen.
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I contend that the Lakers area better team right now without the drama queen.

After going 8-8 and dropping 21 points in the 4th quarter in one of the greatest comebacks in NBA history, I can see why you might think he has some drama in his game. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
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kobe is a very very good player with awesome talent, but its all shaq. if shaq wants to win, the lakers WILL win.
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Bryant out vs. Suns; unlikely to play Sunday

By CHRIS SHERIDAN, AP Basketball Writer
October 17, 2003

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Just 24 hours after saying he wanted Kobe Bryant to get some playing time Friday night, Lakers coach Phil Jackson pushed back the timetable for Bryant's return by several days.

``He's not ready to play. I think it's more conditioning than (his surgically repaired) knee,'' Jackson said prior to the Lakers' exhibition game against the Phoenix Suns.

Shaquille O'Neal, hampered by a bruised heel, also sat out against Phoenix.

``We are listing them as day to day, but the chances of them playing Sunday are slim and remote,'' Jackson said.

A Colorado judge is to decide Monday whether to order Bryant to stand trial on a sexual assault charge. A 19-year-old Eagle, Colo. woman accused the Los Angeles Lakers' guard of raping her June 30 at the mountain resort where she worked. Bryant has said the two had consensual sex.

Bryant has not scrimmaged or taken part in a full practice with the Lakers, yet Jackson said Thursday that he'd like to get Bryant on the court for five to seven minutes in Friday night's exhibition game -- the Lakers' last appearance at the Staples Center prior to their regular season opener against Dallas on Oct. 28.

The Lakers play the Cavaliers in Bakersfield on Sunday night, then have three days off before playing the Clippers next Thursday in Anaheim and the Sacramento Kings next Friday night in Las Vegas.

``The fact that he hasn't been able to practice, we'd just as soon not have a player -- unless he's pretty much up to speed with who we are -- just jump on the floor and play rather than practice and get himself acclimated to the team,'' Jackson said.

``We have practice Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday where I'm hoping he gets on the floor and starts to practice with us then, and that'll open the opportunity for him to maybe play during the last two exhibition games. We'll just wait and see.''


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I love when whiney sour grapes spew from the unintelligent minds of Laker fans. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]


They are much better without the sideshow.
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I love when whiney sour grapes spew from the unintelligent minds of Laker fans. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]


They are much better without the sideshow.
Give it a rest, the Lakers are not better without Kobe.
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Of course they...you are just too homer to realize it.
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I definitely think they are better without the distraction. With the new weapons in LA, and the kobe circus, I think he's irrelevant at best. the fortune of this team is dependant on shaq anyway.
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Kobe scored a lot of points but he didnt spread the Defense. I think without him they have more talent. If they can play together as effortlessly as they did two years ago, they will win a championship. I really doubt they can do that this year, though.
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Of course they...you are just too homer to realize it.
I won't even ask you to support that ridiculous argument, because I know you can't. I'll just let the regular season and playoffs speak for themselves. I just hope that when reality hits you (the reality being that Kobe is essential to the Lakers' success) you'll be man enough to admit that you were wrong.
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SA2 pulls it out of the butt again. Is there no flaker board for you to troll? I wouldn't expect an ignorant flaker fan to open his mind to the fact that kobe will add nothing more than distraction to his team. Idiot.
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SA2 pulls it out of the butt again. Is there no flaker board for you to troll? I wouldn't expect an ignorant flaker fan to open his mind to the fact that kobe will add nothing more than distraction to his team. Idiot.
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Drubs,
I hate the lakers but too. But they aren't better without him. Could they win a title without him maybe, shaqs the mvp of the team so I don't know?
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Kobe is not in shape. The situation is obviously taking its toll on him. I think his play will be lackluster until this blows over. That, in combination with the sideshow that will be following the lakers around could make kobe a liability for an otherwise great team.
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Kobe is a cancer with tremedous talent. However his isn't fully recovered from his surgery, he's out of shape, and his mind isn't near 100% on the game. He's more distraction than benefit right now.
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Okay,

If I heard right Kobe has not been going to his rehabilitation
He has not been at training camp
he has lost 15 pounds
he hasnt been playing ball
he had a feud with Shaq last year
he is probably not happy about now
he probably is not focused on basketball
fans and the media will be all over him whenever he plays

How is he going to help the team? Even if he was the best SG in the game before the end of the season, temporal issues have diminished his ablilities on the court and his mindset both on and off. The team will be better without him and his circus
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Erica, let's just say Kobe takes a huge step nackward this year. Say 20 points, 5board, 4 assists, and plays slightly above average D. Does that not help the Lakers?

Granted I don't even think his numbers will be that close to the poor, but to contend the Lakers are better without Kobe, asinine.
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You never talked about those objections, some of which are serious. IF he hasnt played, hasnt played with his team, hasnt practiced for months and has gotten out of shape he is not going to be "Kobe".

And normative words like Asinine? C'mon.

Kobe hasnt fully recovered from surgery
AND he's going to test the team's chemistry
AND he's going to test the team's resolve
AND he's going to bring cruelly close media attention to himself and his team
AND he's out of shape and hasnt been practicing
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Most of your objections are valid, but the circus is their Kobe or no Kobe. If he doesn't play the media is still hounding the players to get their opinion on the trial etc. It won't go away for the lakers even if Kobe isn't playing, tempered perhaps

Kobe probably isn't in great shape, has his mind on other matters. That said he is still a great player, and if he puts up those terrible numbers for him he is still an asset to the Lakers.

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kobe's gonna have to be hobbling on one leg with a dozen pending rape charges for the lakers not to be better with him than without him
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Actually I remember year before last when Fin came back to the Mavs after being out with an injury and the Mavs having gone on a big win streak that the Mavs were actually temporarily worse off until Fin and the team could get readjusted to each other and Fin was back fully to playing shape. Kobe although more talented than Fin, has more problems physically and has serious chemistry problems from his "Me 1st" attidtude. Kobe still has lots of talent, but it's not about the numbers that he brings, but about the disruption of a team desperately trying to gel.
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no reason to even make this comparison. kobe is a top 5 player in the league...fin is a top 40..maybe top 25 during the time period you're discussing.
The NBA is a game of superstars,..no way in hell they're better without having someone of kobe's level in the game. Playing with controversy won't be a big issue for any of the main players on the lakers team..
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Kobe's no where near a top 5 player right now. The NBA depend a good deal on superstar, but teamwork and team chohesion is still very important. A bunch of superstars dosen't guarrantee anything. Remember houston with Hakeem, Barkley, and Pipen?
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Sat what you want to...the fact remains that the flakers are better without showbe right now. Ignore the facts if you want, but it is your deficiency....not mine.


And SA2...if I had wanted to hear from an asshole I would have farted. Stop being a dick on a Mavericks site please. Go be a dick in a Laker board.
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i guess it means alot to be a better pre-season team
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This thread making me crazy. To say the Lakers are better without Kobe is about the dumbest sports point I have ever heard.
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Kobe's no where near a top 5 player right now.
Highly debatable. You have no idea what game shape Kobe is in right now, you haven't seen him play in 5 months.
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This thread making me crazy. To say the Lakers are better without Kobe is about the dumbest sports point I have ever heard.
Thanks for your comments on how dumb Dr Bio and my thoughts are.

You also never asnwered anything. Show-be is a cancer on the team, and thats the end of it. Until you can say, "Kobe put up good numbers and brought his team together" then I think your idea is the "Dumbest Sport Point I have ever heard"
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The NBA is a game of superstars,..no way in hell they're better without having someone of kobe's level in the game.
The NBA is also a game of chemistry and talent. Kobe has not shot hoops for months, he has not worked out in months, he has not gone through therapy on his knee and shoulder, he has the body of a rookie after an injury, he is distracted, he is a cancer on the team and that is the end of it.
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Old 10-19-2003, 09:46 PM   #34
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Fine Erica, i would like you to give me a scenario where the Mavs are better without Dirk. I will start listening to you then.
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Fine Erica, i would like you to give me a scenario where the Mavs are better without Dirk. I will start listening to you then.
It doesnt work that way. Dirk
A) isnt a cancer
B) doesnt have another identical upcoming 7'0" PF behind him
D) is a leader
E) isnt hounded by media about one of the worst crimes someone can commit against someone else
F) isnt out of shape
G) Played, practiced and worked on his game all summer
H) Put on 10 pounds instead of losing 15
I) Is a Power Forward, a position that the Mavs need.
J) And Dirk didnt have a knee surgery over the summer that he has neglected to rehabilitate.
K) Is focussed on winning in the NBA
L) Isnt feuding with his coach
M) Isnt feuding with team members

I dont know why I repeated this. I thought by my quantified objections which you never responded to you would easily be able to assume the same statemements could be made for Dirk.
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Highly debatable. You have no idea what game shape Kobe is in right now, you haven't seen him play in 5 months.
and Kobe hasn't played or worked out in months. You don't have to see someone not to expect them to be top 5. His very absence speaks that he's nowhere near top 5. Even the greastest to ever play couldn't step back in and resume top form. MJ on his first come back was no where near top 5 the 1st season although he was in MVP form the next. The difference? Working out all summer, coming to camp in shape and ready to play, and participating fully in team training camp and preseason. Kobe hasn't done any of these. Therefore it's safe to assume he's nowhere close to where he was. His team composition has changed greatly and he's hard very little time even on the practice floor to get used to his new teammates. No one, not Kobe, not MJ, no one can come back and be at top 5 form under these circumstances.
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grbh- this has nothing to do with Dirk. I'm not going to get into a pissing match over some dipshit flaker player, but showbe is a gargantuan distraction on that team. It would be best for them to allow him to get his situation handled. He doesn't look like the physical specimen he usually looks like, Shaq is busting on him openly, noone has really backed him outside of the obligatory remarks, and even he isn't sure if he should play based on his comments. Ergo...the flakers would be better off without him at this point.

edit---> As soon as he can devote all of his time to the game, then the flkaers would be better with him....until then, he is a distraction and not good for the team.
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Dear Doc, I listen to what you say....but man, you are just wrong!...
THere is no other player in the league with less than a minute in the game greater than Kobe....and that could be said for the previous 47 minutes as well.....now I hate him, don't get me wrong...but he is greatness

I know what you are thinking, but I respectfully disagree with ya on this one...
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Actually Erica I covered most a lot of your posts in my previous posts.

I am going to answer them all for your edification now, though I would like a good reason form you why he is actually a greater detriment to his team than what he brings to the table.

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He has not been at training camp
Partilarly true, however he hasn't missed the entire camo.

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he has lost 15 pounds
Looks like it

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he hasnt been playing ball
Granted not as much, but he has been playing some

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he had a feud with Shaq last year
Well that is interesting. I suppose that is the first tie that has happened.

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he is probably not happy about now
No he is probably not. I never knew that unhappy people are detrimental to their team though

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he probably is not focused on basketball
Not exlusively, but I am sure it is a priority.

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fans and the media will be all over him whenever he plays
Definately the first time he will ever be following him closley, and boo him
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grbh- this has nothing to do with Dirk. I'm not going to get into a pissing match over some dipshit flaker player, but showbe is a gargantuan distraction on that team. It would be best for them to allow him to get his situation handled. He doesn't look like the physical specimen he usually looks like, Shaq is busting on him openly, noone has really backed him outside of the obligatory remarks, and even he isn't sure if he should play based on his comments. Ergo...the flakers would be better off without him at this point.

edit---> As soon as he can devote all of his time to the game, then the flkaers would be better with him....until then, he is a distraction and not good for the team.
my thoughts exactly. When he can bring it, he will help the team but right now he will not. We'll see in the PHX@LAL game if he plays that.
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