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veronicamae · 05-18-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

just curious, why arent you on spursreport? It seems like you'd find a lot more agreement there.

Because spursreport is full of idiots. I'm a member of spurstalk.

I'm not sure that I'm looking for agreement in my statement. I will repeat what I said - "It's not the players fault/choice what kind of penalty they get."

You can't tell me that anyone but the league itself determines penalties. It was clearly stated that anything LIKE A PUNCH is a suspension. Period.

wescx · 05-18-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by veronicamae

Because spursreport is full of idiots. I'm a member of spurstalk.

I'm not sure that I'm looking for agreement in my statement. I will repeat what I said - "It's not the players fault/choice what kind of penalty they get."

You can't tell me that anyone but the league itself determines penalties. It was clearly stated that anything LIKE A PUNCH is a suspension. Period.

Unless you are Reggie Evans...

EricaLubarsky · 05-18-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by veronicamae

Because spursreport is full of idiots. I'm a member of spurstalk.

I'm not sure that I'm looking for agreement in my statement. I will repeat what I said - "It's not the players fault/choice what kind of penalty they get."

You can't tell me that anyone but the league itself determines penalties. It was clearly stated that anything LIKE A PUNCH is a suspension. Period.

Bowen is dirty. The league is inconsistent. You can't understand arguments very well.

birdsanctuary · 05-18-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by veronicamae

It was clearly stated that anything LIKE A PUNCH is a suspension. Period.

No! The player's history and the situation must be taken into account. Ron Artest was suspended because he has an extensive history of erratic behavior. Jason Terry has a history of EXACTLY the OPPOSITE behavior. Therefore the situation had to be taken into account. Ginobli and Finley fall on him while trying to call time out.

BOTTOM LINE, THIS SITUATION WARRANTED A FINE AND NOTHING MORE!

GO BACK TO WHINEYVILLE, YOU CHEATER-LOVER!

Movie Phone · 05-18-2006, 08:36 PM

do any of yall have a link to the same video on woai. for some reason, the sound comes on but the image doesnt.

Cybertx · 05-18-2006, 08:36 PM

it was a punch man

FreshJive · 05-18-2006, 08:37 PM

Bullshit, if you purposely hit or grab someones nuts you should be suspended. I thought Reggie should have been doen for the playoffs.

wescx · 05-18-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

Bullshit, if you purposely hit or grab someones nuts you should be suspended. I thought Reggie should have been doen for the playoffs.

Maybe so, but precedent was set with Reggie Evans.

Cybertx · 05-18-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Movie Phone

do any of yall have a link to the same video on woai. for some reason, the sound comes on but the image doesnt.

try ie, it didn't work with any other browser that i tried

jleefilled · 05-18-2006, 08:59 PM

Watched the video at DB.com. It has roughly 6 or 7 angles of the same play. IMO, there is nothing that can conlusively show that the "punch" was anymore malicious than what Reggie Evans did.

EricaLubarsky · 05-18-2006, 08:59 PM

here's an idea: the spurs barely pull off a game 1 win, and lose three straight games. Duncan goes off and does absolutely everything he could possibly do and the Spurs still lose. In game 5 the Mavs came out a little soft and still nearly polish off the Spurs.

But wait-- late in the game, when the action was testy (no pun intended) and Bowen was hitting Terry and Nowitzki in the face, and Ginobli was hip checking players, Terry was mobbed and in a split second swung his arm against one of the two players that had leaped on top of him after Ginobli hip checked him without a call. Terry swings, and yet the referee, who was right there, not 10 feet away saw nothing. The game went on and the contact remained intense and physical, including but not limited to a hipcheck and later, a foul on a Dirk jumper.

The Spurs, who had put up less resistance than the Nuggets thusfar stole a second game after Terry and Nowitzki both missed shots. Alas! The Spurs, gathered together and discussed their chances of being swept. Here is an excerpt, gleaned from the Marriot Hotel lobby's cameras.

the text Oberto, the logical one asked if they might just stop playing like pussies. Tim Duncan, who is known for his sense of humor responded in his best Scotty accent, "I'm doing all I can! The ship just won't take any more!"

So the group thought, and thought, until Parker broke the silence. "why don't we just give up? When I was in high school I always loved getting long weekends. We can enjoy a long summer!"

The group grumbled and Horry, intoxicated by his own ego and some turpentine on his peach-fuzz beard said something but it was completely inaudible.

Nick Van Exel kicked Udrih's chair and Ginobli put his hand mirror back in his purse and removed a nail file.

then Finley got an idea. "When I was in college I learned about something called foreskinning."

Duncan giggled."-- foreshadowing"

"oh, foreshadowing." Then Finley continued, "you know when I made a mickey out of a mousehole last night?"

Duncan again corrected, "mountain out of a molehil"

Finley was a little irritated this time. "What if we put together a video of some of the worst, most dispicable parts of last night"

Ginobli became interested, if not a little concerned, "would there be footage of me? If so, we should stick to the first quarter when my hair looked the best"

Finley's eyes glinted. "you'd be there at the end of the movie, but this wouldnt be about you"

"--but!"

"first we gather up all that secret footage of Stu {Jackson} licking pork rinds off a shaped sheep, and then end the film with that play where Terry slapped at my undercarriage. The final credits will include a secret message that will tell JAckson what to do"

The team cheered and Duncan approved in a german accent "very interestink"

So the group made up the video, and sent it to Stu. Jackson, embarassed by the video, admitted defeat and suspended Jason Terry and all looked bleak for the good guys.

post script
But the good guys always win, and the bad guys struck at the wrong guy. The Mavs won and Parker got his wish--to enjoy his long summer painting Eva Longoria's toe nails and delivering her wine spritzers, daquiris and sake shooters.

jleefilled · 05-18-2006, 09:00 PM

And no, I didn't see a closed-fist.

4cwebb · 05-18-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jleefilled

Watched the video at DB.com. It has roughly 6 or 7 angles of the same play. IMO, there is nothing that can conlusively show that the "punch" was anymore malicious than what Reggie Evans did.

I watched the video link shown on the San Antonio tv station, and then watched all the angles at DB.com. The video link on the San Antonio tv station had the best view, and it appeared that Terry punched Finley in that video. I'm surprised that I was basically unable to see the punch in any of the five or six different views from the DB.com video. If I'd only watched the SA tv link, I'd have said for certain that Terry punched Finley. Now I'm wondering whether my eyes are deceiving me.

twelli · 05-18-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

here's an idea: the spurs barely pull off a game 1 win, and lose three straight games. Duncan goes off and does absolutely everything he could possibly do and the Spurs still lose. In game 5 the Mavs came out a little soft and still nearly polish off the Spurs.

But wait-- late in the game, when the action was testy (no pun intended) and Bowen was hitting Terry and Nowitzki in the face, and Ginobli was hip checking players, Terry was mobbed and in a split second swung his arm against one of the two players that had leaped on top of him after Ginobli hip checked him without a call. Terry swings, and yet the referee, who was right there, not 10 feet away saw nothing. The game went on and the contact remained intense and physical, including but not limited to a hipcheck and later, a foul on a Dirk jumper.

The Spurs, who had put up less resistance than the Nuggets thusfar stole a second game after Terry and Nowitzki both missed shots. Alas! The Spurs, gathered together and discussed their chances of being swept.

Oberto, the logical one asked if they might just stop playing like pussies. Tim Duncan, who is known for his sense of humor responded in his best Scotty accent, "I'm doing all I can! The ship just won't take any more!"

So the group thought, and thought, until Parker broke the silence. "why don't we just give up? When I was in high school I always loved getting long weekends. We can enjoy a long summer!"

The group grumbled and Horry, intoxicated by his own ego and some turpentine on his peach-fuzz beard said something but it was completely inaudible.

Nick Van Exel kicked Udrih's chair and Ginobli put his hand mirror back in his purse and removed a nail file.

then Finley got an idea. "When I was in college I learned about something called foreskinning."

Duncan giggled."-- foreshadowing"

"oh, foreshadowing." Then Finley continued, "you know when I made a mickey out of a mousehole last night?"

Duncan again corrected, "mountain out of a molehil"

Finley was a little irritated this time. "What if we put together a video of some of the worst, most dispicable parts of last night"

Ginobli became interested, if not a little concerned, "would there be footage of me? If so, we should stick to the first quarter when my hair looked the best"

Finley's eyes glinted. "you'd be there at the end of the movie, but this wouldnt be about you"

"--but!"

"first we gather up all that secret footage of Stu {Jackson} licking pork rinds off a shaped sheep, and then end the film with that play where Terry slapped at my undercarriage. The final credits will include a secret message that will tell JAckson what to do"

The team cheered and Duncan approved in a german accent "very interestink"

So the group made up the video, and sent it to Stu. Jackson, embarassed by the video, admitted defeat and suspended Jason Terry and all looked bleak for the good guys.

But the good guys always win, and the bad guys struck at the wrong guy. The Mavs won and Parker got his wish--to enjoy his long summer painting Eva Longoria's toe nails and delivering her wine spritzers, daquiris and sake shooters.

Did you write this on your own, EL?

That are some DEEP thoughts right there, sister... */*

dude1394 · 05-18-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by veronicamae

I'm guessing that link is to the Ray Allen-kicking incident. It's not the players fault/choice what kind of penalty they get.

I heard a few boos for Avery last night, but most people cheered, and have been cheering him, at every game for his introduction.

That is correct it's not. It's completely are arbitraritly at the leagues discression to do whatever they heck they feel like.

A guy premeditatively kicks a fella. fine.
A guy grabs the balls of another fella and tries to pull them off. fine.
A guy does what appears to be the lesser of them all(bowen is debateable) and he's suspended in game 6 of the WCF.

Yup...players can't do a damn thing about it.

Murphy3 · 05-18-2006, 09:23 PM

Hey, if there was conclusively a punch, then the suspension is deserved. I haven't seen anything that would indicate that there was conclusively a punch... But, I'm willing to watch anything that is presented.

chumdawg · 05-18-2006, 09:28 PM

I watched my recording of the TNT broadcast, and it's quite clear that he punched him. You can't see it during the live action, but it's clear in the replay they just show (just before the second jump ball). You can see Terry's arm swinging, and you can even see Finley's body react to the punch.

And the give-away sign? Watch Terry's left leg. It swings up in the air simultaneously with Terry's right arm, in reponse to Terry's right foot pushing against the ground to provide power for the punch.

So not only did Terry want to punch him, he wanted to punch him as hard as he could.

I must say that this evening marks the darkest day in the character of this franchise. Not necessarily the punch. That was one player's action, which does not necessarily reflect the character of the whole organization. (And even if it did, it would not necessarily be a bad thing. There is something to be said for a well-timed punch or two.)

No, the thing is Cuban's behavior. Wanna know why the rest of the league thinks the Mavs are a bunch of crybabies? It's because Mark Cuban has an excuse for EVERYTHING. Finley piledrivered Terry's head. No, he didn't. Terry's head never even hits the ground. And Terry doesn't need to apologize. Didn't do a single thing wrong, according to Cuban. See, the way Cuban would tell it, the Mavs are NEVER to blame for ANYTHING.

That's the Cuban culture. We've seen it over and over again. He lowballed Nash and get stuck with egg on his face, but it was Nash's agent's fault. He couldn't afford Finley, but rather than say that he comes up with some long-winded rationale. It's never Cuban himself who is responsible.

And then he really hit rock bottom today, with his comments about Finley. For all intents and purposes, he encouraged the fans to boo Finley at every opportunity, if he even so much as steps foot in Dallas! For all intents and purposes, he called Finley a bad person. He says he "loved" Finley, using the past tense. Nevermind that it makes Cuban look like an overgrown kid who gets picked on in the playground, but this is Mike Finley we are talking about! One of the greatest players to ever wear a Mavericks jersey and, by all accounts, a model representative of the franchise during his stay here.

It just sickens me. It absolutely sickens me. And you know what? Once again, in the heat of the moment Cuban loses all foresight. He wants a loud and rowdy arena, full of folks who will boo Finley and the rest of the Spurs all game long. He may well get it. But if his team doesn't come out of the game with a win, I can GUARANTEE you an arena that will VERY rowdy and loud, and that will boo everything within a hundred miles of Dallas...in Game Seven.

Thanks, Cubes. Way to add that extra burden to the team. Oh, and those players who you support so fiercely? Don't think they don't know just how deep your loyalties run, and don't think they don't wonder just how THEY will be treated when their contract comes up, or when they move on to another team and become your former employee.

dude1394 · 05-18-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I watched my recording of the TNT broadcast, and it's quite clear that he punched him. You can't see it during the live action, but it's clear in the replay they just show (just before the second jump ball). You can see Terry's arm swinging, and you can even see Finley's body react to the punch.

And the give-away sign? Watch Terry's left leg. It swings up in the air simultaneously with Terry's right arm, in reponse to Terry's right foot pushing against the ground to provide power for the punch.

So not only did Terry want to punch him, he wanted to punch him as hard as he could.

I must say that this evening marks the darkest day in the character of this franchise. Not necessarily the punch. That was one player's action, which does not necessarily reflect the character of the whole organization. (And even if it did, it would not necessarily be a bad thing. There is something to be said for a well-timed punch or two.)

No, the thing is Cuban's behavior. Wanna know why the rest of the league thinks the Mavs are a bunch of crybabies? It's because Mark Cuban has an excuse for EVERYTHING. Finley piledrivered Terry's head. No, he didn't. Terry's head never even hits the ground. And Terry doesn't need to apologize. Didn't do a single thing wrong, according to Cuban. See, the way Cuban would tell it, the Mavs are NEVER to blame for ANYTHING.

That's the Cuban culture. We've seen it over and over again. He lowballed Nash and get stuck with egg on his face, but it was Nash's agent's fault. He couldn't afford Finley, but rather than say that he comes up with some long-winded rationale. It's never Cuban himself who is responsible.

And then he really hit rock bottom today, with his comments about Finley. For all intents and purposes, he encouraged the fans to boo Finley at every opportunity, if he even so much as steps foot in Dallas! For all intents and purposes, he called Finley a bad person. He says he "loved" Finley, using the past tense. Nevermind that it makes Cuban look like an overgrown kid who gets picked on in the playground, but this is Mike Finley we are talking about! One of the greatest players to ever wear a Mavericks jersey and, by all accounts, a model representative of the franchise during his stay here.

It just sickens me. It absolutely sickens me. And you know what? Once again, in the heat of the moment Cuban loses all foresight. He wants a loud and rowdy arena, full of folks who will boo Finley and the rest of the Spurs all game long. He may well get it. But if his team doesn't come out of the game with a win, I can GUARANTEE you an arena that will VERY rowdy and loud, and that will boo everything within a hundred miles of Dallas...in Game Seven.

Thanks, Cubes. Way to add that extra burden to the team. Oh, and those players who you support so fiercely? Don't think they don't know just how deep your loyalties run, and don't think they don't wonder just how THEY will be treated when their contract comes up, or when they move on to another team and become your former employee.

boo stinkin' hoo chum. Take your self-rightous rear-end somewhere else. There's 32 other teams waiting on you.

AxdemxO · 05-18-2006, 09:30 PM

Watch the video at half time of Suns and Clipps game its got 2 really good angles that do show Terry giving Finley like a lil jab but it barely conects and tis not close to Fin's balls...soo after watchin some really good videos its still crap...and there shoulnt have been a suspension.

EricaLubarsky · 05-18-2006, 09:31 PM

there is definitely a crisis in the league when it comes to player injury. The league isnt preventing players from doing things to hurt others, while at the same time instituting rules against certain contact that might see, good on paper but aren't enforced in the best way.

They are spending too much effort on making the NBA experience friendly for Dick, Jane and Spot and too little effort on preserving what makes the NBA great, or fixing the flaws.

chumdawg · 05-18-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

boo stinkin' hoo chum. Take your self-rightous rear-end somewhere else. There's 32 other teams waiting on you.

And for folks like you, who enjoy sucking an owner's schlong, there's exactly one who walks around with his hanging out.

dude1394 · 05-18-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

And for folks like you, who enjoy sucking an owner's schlong, there's exactly one who walks around with his hanging out.

If it's hanging anywhere it's out of you.

mary · 05-18-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

And for folks like you, who enjoy sucking an owner's schlong, there's exactly one who walks around with his hanging out.

Chum, I'm a big fan of yours. But how many times are you going to reduce your argument to machismo comments about cock sucking? Its getting old, its getting predictable, and you're better than that.

orangedays · 05-18-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Thanks, Cubes.

If it weren't for Cubes, you wouldn't have a product to cheer for. Don't be so short-sighted.

chumdawg · 05-18-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mary

Chum, I'm a big fan of yours. But how many times are you going to reduce your argument to machismo comments about cock sucking? Its getting old, its getting predictable, and you're better than that.

I didn't realize I'd ever done it before.

I sure read it all the time on these forums, though. Nash can suck it, Finley can suck it...and on and on.

chumdawg · 05-18-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by orangedays

If it weren't for Cubes, you wouldn't have a product to cheer for. Don't be so short-sighted.

I had one to cheer for before Cubes, and I'm sure I'll still have one after.

dude1394 · 05-18-2006, 09:50 PM

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/...nley_punch.asx

Cubes sent db.com a montage of the video.

I know one thing that is one little love tap to get suspended for. I didn't see conclusive closed fist in that one.

DwD · 05-18-2006, 09:55 PM

thanks for the montage, Dude! It was clearer than anything I had seen so far. Isn't it really interesting how Manu has zero reaction to something that happened right in front of his face?

orangedays · 05-18-2006, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I had one to cheer for before Cubes, and I'm sure I'll still have one after.

I have a question for you:

Your platform has consistently been that individuals who do good by the Mavericks organization (Steve Nash, Michael Finley, et al.) deserve our utmost respect even if they are no longer a member of said organization.

Can you explain to me the basis of how you determine who you are loyal to and how much loyalty you allocate to them? I assume that your pool of loyalty revolves around the Dallas Mavericks, and subsidiary feelings are given per performance? For example, Steve Nash may be a great player but you are a fan of his not because he is great player, but primarily because he is a former Maverick, yes? If Steve had never been a Maverick, you would not be as big of a fan?

twelli · 05-18-2006, 10:00 PM

in the end this is all about being a fan.

yes, if Terry really punched Finley on purpose, he should apologize to Finley and to his own team for being such a moron.

yes, if he Terry didn't punch Finley, the Spurs and the NBA officials should be ashamed of trying to give the Spurs some kind of advantage under false pretenses.

I can see Chum's point, but that is not necessarily the point a 'true' fan would make. Sports is not about justice, it's about your team winning. Stepping over the line is done on both sides.

Dirk: "This is the playoffs, you don't root for a Spurs..."

mary · 05-18-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I didn't realize I'd ever done it before.

I sure read it all the time on these forums, though. Nash can suck it, Finley can suck it...and on and on.

That's quite different than accusing someone of sucking schlong just because they have a different point of view.

No worries, carry on.

EricaLubarsky · 05-18-2006, 10:04 PM

at the 45 second mark it is painfully obvious that Ginobli hipchecked Terry.

a few things I didnt notice-- Finley landed on Terry's injured hand

and I thought it was hilarious how Stack kept calling for a Finley technical.

We shoulda won this game, dont get me wrong but imagine if Fin had gotten a tech or if Ginobli had been called for the loose ball foul

dude1394 · 05-18-2006, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

at the 45 second mark it is painfully obvious that Ginobli hipchecked Terry.

a few things I didnt notice-- Finley landed on Terry's injured hand

and I thought it was hilarious how Stack kept calling for a Finley technical.

We shoulda won this game, dont get me wrong but imagine if Fin had gotten a tech or if Ginobli had been called for the loose ball foul

Yea that was a real-nice hipcheck no call that took jason off his feet.

EricaLubarsky · 05-18-2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Yea that was a real-nice hipcheck no call that took jason off his feet.

took his headband away from him too.

rakesh.s · 05-18-2006, 10:09 PM

very disappointing...no matter what the other guy does, you HAVE to remember that the cameras will catch EVERYTHING.

If we lose this series, it'll be two years in a row with a knuckleheaded Jason Terry play knocking us out of the playoffs.

What was Terry thinking?

chumdawg · 05-18-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by orangedays

I have a question for you:

Your platform has consistently been that individuals who do good by the Mavericks organization (Steve Nash, Michael Finley, et al.) deserve our utmost respect even if they are no longer a member of said organization.

Can you explain to me the basis of how you determine who you are loyal to and how much loyalty you allocate to them? I assume that your pool of loyalty revolves around the Dallas Mavericks, and subsidiary feelings are given per performance? For example, Steve Nash may be a great player but you are a fan of his not because he is great player, but primarily because he is a former Maverick, yes? If Steve had never been a Maverick, you would not be as big of a fan?

I probably wouldn't be quite as big as fan, no, for the reason that I wouldn't have followed his play nearly as much. Many teams I see play only a handful of times a year (when they play the Mavs). Some times I watch more than that, but still nowhere as much as I watch the local boys. I generally miss only a handful of Mavs games a year--and that's been true for a good twenty years or so.

twelli · 05-18-2006, 10:12 PM

after watching this larger clip, I think it is very obvious that Terry's hand went between Finley's legs.

Don't know about the amount of impact and if the reaction of Finley was because he was actually punched or just because he thought Terry tried to punch him.

We will never know.

Anyway, a suspension seems too harsh, especially considering what is at stake for both teams.

aexchange · 05-18-2006, 10:14 PM

terry shouldnt have been dumb enough to put us in that position.

it looked like he punched fin in the nuts. i can't tell if he had a closed fist, but he shouldn't have lost his cool enough to put us in that spot to begin with. in the end, we're still going to stomp a mudhole come tomorrow night on these donkeys.

xmiltsx · 05-18-2006, 10:16 PM

in the angle that nba.com and woai.com and most likely the nba review crew used, you see terry's arm moving in a punching motion toward finley. yes, i agree it's hard to actually see if he actually tried to punch him or land a punch. then after watching the espn highlights of the game, during the tie-up you see finley's body suddenly move upward away from terry as if he was hit by something or someone. that was enough evidence for me.

dude1394 · 05-18-2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by xmiltsx

in the angle that nba.com and woai.com and most likely the nba review crew used, you see terry's arm moving in a punching motion toward finley. yes, i agree it's hard to actually see if he actually tried to punch him or land a punch. then after watching the espn highlights of the game, during the tie-up you see finley's body suddenly move upward away from terry as if he was hit by something or someone. that was enough evidence for me.

Obviously enough for the wussie spurs to try and get another championship with an asterisk.

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(according to the Spurs, who apparently initiated the league's examination of the play)
Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said the "punch'' was intentional. ""I don't think someone gravitates toward that area randomly with their fist when you're laying on the ground,'' he said. "We saw him punch him between the legs. I was just amazed by it."