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Originally Posted by ribosoma
The part of your post that I highlighted in red is particularly troublesome. Your parameters for your argument don't seem to be valid. Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, and Tayshaun Prince have all credited RC for their development. But those players somehow don't count because??? Because your argument falls apart, maybe? Now, if each player is an individual, some needing more development, some less, then name the players who Rick has coached that fit Roddy's level of development (or lack thereof) when he came into the league. I'll help you. There isn't one.
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To nitpick
Chauncey Billups credits Flip Saunders for his career not Carlisle. Chauncey had his breakout in Minnesota after Terrell Brandon went down. Billups career had been spiraling downward because of his injuries and poor shooting. Saunders had brought him to Timberwolves as backup after it looked as if his career had reached an end. By the time he got to Detroit, Chauncey was going into his 7th year in the league.
Rip Hamilton was going into his 4th year when he went to Detroit. He had been averaging 19pts per game the 2 years prior.
Ron Artest and Al Harrington were in their 6th and 5th years. They both had been trending upwards in points and minutes before Carlisle had arrived.
Tayshaun Prince was one of the reason's Carlisle was fired from the Pistons. He couldn't break into the rotation during the regular season. He didn't get burn until his back was against the wall (sounds familiar) and the Pistons were about to be swept out of the playoffs. Prince is the only player to have scored more points in the playoffs than the regular season.
We can even talk about Ian, Brandan, and probably Yi. Ian was drafted in 2005, played professionally overseas for a couple years after being drafted, and the d-league for the Spurs. Brandan and Yi both drafted in 2007 and have had their once promising careers derailed due to injury and poor play.
Carlisle's history is that he doesn't want anything to do with the growing pains that is exhibit by young players (pouting, inconsistency, loss of concentration) under his watch, which he hides under the mantra of "be ready". You have to go through a period of unprepared before you actually get to "ready". That is how it works 95% of the time.
I actually do agree with J0shi. This team cannot survive a long championship run if Kidd continues his poor play. The offense doesn't run as efficiently when West/Terry/Roddy is at the helm. It's probably best for the team as constructed to swing deal for another PG.