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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest
Not sure if you understand what i'm saying. I stated that yes playing alongside Jordan made life for Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman easy but like spiral went into, these players were great players because of themselves. Not because of MJ. Is Bruce Bowen one of the greatest defenders in the game because of Tim Duncan or is it because of Bruce Bowen? Yes, Bowen gets that open corner 3 point shot from time to time due to playing alongside Duncan but its not what makes Bowen a great player. That whole "makes his teammates batter" argument for MVP is bogus. It shouldn't even be brought up IMO because no one really makes a player better. It takes talent and hard work. Dirk can't make a bum off the street look any better than Steve Nash could.
Its frustrating because this is the argument I hear people bring up when it comes to Dirk beign a valid MVP candidate. Because he doesn't make his teammates look better than they really are he's not really a candidate. I think its bs. There's not really a MVP out there who makes his teammate any better than they currently are. I don't think finding your teammate for a open 3 fits the description of making your teammate better.
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Well, I disagree and I agree. I agree that the argument that Dirk doesn't make his teammates better is ridiculous. I disagree though, that there is no distinction between great players and great players that make their team mates better. For example, I think Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas are great scorers, but because of what they have to do, and the offense that has to be run in order for them to be successful, I think they are at times close to a detriment to their team, and certainly do not bring the play of their teammates up.