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Originally Posted by jthig32

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In this post, you claim to understand the RULES of the salary cap. And yet you claim that Cuban is going to "break the bank" as if the cap is not really an obstable, and he can get around it if he wants to.

You admitted that Billups could not be aquired for the MLE, so you are in fact claiming that the Mavs would be allowed to spend more than the MLE in free agency.




Here you claim that Mary does NOT understand the RULES of the salary cap, but apparantly you do. You quote some luxury tax numbers, apparantly beleiving that they have a bearing on our ability to sign players. You ask "why not sign Billups". Why?? Because based on your own statements before, WE CAN'T! You already stated he would not sign for the MLE. Based on the rules of the cap, that is all we can offer. So by your own logic, we are unable to sign Billups.



Here is the money quote. Here you admit that you have no friggin' clue how the salary cap works. The luxury tax is NOT the spending limit of the NBA. The salary cap is. Teams get over the salary cap by using the Larry Bird rights on their own existing free agents, and by using the Exceptions given by the NBA, which you already stated Billups would not sign for. When you complete a trade, if you are over the cap, you must trade essentially equal salary, within a certaion threshold.

You are right about one thing on Billups. He is very likely to opt out of his contract this season, and be a free agent. He can most certainly sign with whomever he wants. But as you already agreed to, it is EXCEEDINGLY unlikely that the top free agent on the market would sign with a team for the MLE. Because the Dallas Mavericks are over the NBA's salary cap, they can only offer the MLE. We've already decided he will not sign for that, so if the Mavs' want to pursue Billups, they will have to convince Billups AND the Detroit Pistons to complete a sign and trade, where they send the Piston salary roughly equal to the contract Billups signs.

So when someone says "the only way the Mavs can get Billups is if they trade for him", they are NOT incorrect.

So, as you can see from your quotes, you claimed more than once to know the rules of the salary cap. You claimed that Mary did not.

You are flat out wrong, and it would behoove you to just admit that you didn't know what you were talking about.

Originally Posted by jthig32

In this post, you claim to understand the RULES of the salary cap. And yet you claim that Cuban is going to "break the bank" as if the cap is not really an obstable, and he can get around it if he wants to..

Here you just twisted my words, because clearly you said "As if". I did not say anything about any "obstable". I said break the bank. That can mean alot of different things, so dont put words in my mouth. I am clearly talking about Cuban reaching into his pockets a little deeper.

Originally Posted by jthig32

You admitted that Billups could not be aquired for the MLE, so you are in fact claiming that the Mavs would be allowed to spend more than the MLE in free agency..

I dont know what Billups will sign for. That is up to him. So your point is mute.

Originally Posted by jthig32

When you complete a trade, if you are over the cap, you must trade essentially equal salary, within a certaion threshold...

The part you are not thinking about is if Billups opts out, then essentially their is no set salary to match up. So, this is where it becomes tricky, because in essence the Pistons could lose Billups and get NOTHING in return. OR, get involved in some sort of minor deal and get something back in return, but in this case, Billups still hold all the cards, because he can veto ANY deal if he wants, because he is essentially NOT under a contract if he opts out.

Originally Posted by jthig32

So when someone says "the only way the Mavs can get Billups is if they trade for him", they are NOT incorrect...

Now that statement above is NOT correct. Their are exceptions out there, that the Mavs can land Billups. Not likely, but that is an option that has nothing to do with trades.


Now, our talk right now is very productive and I enjoy talking to you on this level. We are talking as men, and hammering this thing out. I am not an expert on this, and will NEVER claim to be, because we can all look at the moving parts from what we know, and attorney and owners can spin/twist the legal part differently from what most of us know about this complicated Salary mess