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Originally Posted by Mavdog
the detrimental health affects of smoking are indisputable, even the tobacco industry acknowledges they exist, and they exist not only for the smoker but also for those exposed to the smoke. not only that but they are an elective choice.
to suggest they don't exist, which you did, is ridiculous.
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I never did. I agree with you that smoking is bad (though I understand the disputes pointed out by mc and rhylan as well). That's part of the point I'm making. You have to make an argument for smoking that cannot be made for caffeine, for alcohol, for sunbathing, for hiding from the sun, and for the countless other behaviors that might be considered bad for you. No one has done that.
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your attempt to put the connotation of "taking" as in emminent domain is clearly not what was the intent. "taking" as in extracting.
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If it was clear, then there wouldn't have been any confusion. And quite telling me what I'm saying. It's a most ham-fisted way of straw-manning someone, and it's annoying.
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you didn't answer my question btw. should I presume the answer is no?
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because an answer would be meaningless. the deal has already been made.
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the answer to your question is yes, if there were a way to adjust a bad deal why not utilize that opportunity? anybody given that opportunity would be a fool to not take advantage.
it happens every day in business.
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Well, for one, they are not adjusting the deal, they are capping a new tax on top afterward, without any negotiation. Second, the government does not do business like happens every day in business. Not in the case of taxes. No one in business anywhere can come take money from you under the threat of imprisonment just because they no longer like the deal they made with you. This is what the government does. That is why we should limit the opportunity to do this, not expand it at every opportunity.
If you did try to go adjust a deal in this way, showing up at the door of someones house with guns and take them to prison, or start walking off with their stuff, I'd say the government's job is to stop you.