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Old 10-18-2008, 05:12 PM   #448
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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin
that you would say this while quoting from me the list you requested suggests you are ignoring stuff (didn't you just do that a few posts ago, too?). That you still want to list conservative v. nonconservative policy positions as evidence of how well McCain represents conservative policies suggests you aren't thinking very deeply about this issue you are putting forth.
no, it illustrates how much you want to avoid directly addressing the crux of the argument put forth. the primary platform positions of the mccain campaign incorporates core conservative ideals, and you want to dismiss those planks as non-evidence of mccain running as a conservative.

other than to look at the platforms and positions of the candidate, I don't understand how one can say of they are or are not a conservative. do you?

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yeah. If he really represented that platform, he wouldn't have to work so hard at convincing people, and he would have more success at it.
unless of course the public rejects those planks and platform....which (ahem) is the very point being made.

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except McCain has yet to excite his base to the point that they are energized to go out and work for him. Palin did, and there were effects in the general polls. Obama's leftism has energized his base, and it has had an impact in the middle, but only to the extent that his extreme leftism on topics like socialism and abortion have remained hidden from those in the middle. Go over and listen to the interviews from the Howard Stern show. Many, many, many people have no idea who Obama is, they just know his celebrity.
there you go again, blaming a lack of knowledge by the voters as why obama is ahead in this race. that is a pretty thin and fragile board that you're walking out on.

almost 1/4 of the us population watched the debates between obama and mccain, it's pretty ridiculous to try and argue that they couldn't understand what the candidates said.

that is not to mention the hundreds of millions of dollars each candidate has spent on ads, so your argument that the voters are just not well informed doesn't pass the test.
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