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Old 12-15-2008, 03:40 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by Arne View Post
The Iraqi people are certainly not living in liberty. Government owns them. 2,3 million are working for their government. The country is occupied by American forces and 89000-98000 civilians died during the war. Hundreds of thousand Iraqis died because of the sanctions, since 1998.

If you're talking about throwing shoes at people as what people do with their liberty, then you might be right, this happens from time to time. - Should we take some preemptive measures now? Outlaw wearing shoes? What exactly is your point?
surely you admit that the iraqi society enjoys the liberty of free expression, of freedom of movement, as well as a government that answers to the citizenry that did not exist during the dictatorship of hussein.

the country thankfully is not "occupied" by american troops today, in fact the majority of the country's area is now without any presence of american troops.

one can argue if the invasion was correct, or necessary. however one cannot argue that the result, an iraqi society that does enjoy the above mentioned freedoms which were not theirs to enjoy pre-invasion, is a positive for the iraqi people.

look at it this way...do you honestly believe that if an iraqi journalist threw his shoes at hussein he would a) be alive the day after like he is today, and b) would be openly spoken about in positive terms by iraqis rather than how the hussien ruled press would have spoken of him, as if he were a traitor?
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