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Old 12-17-2008, 10:09 PM   #139
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and as far as the nra supporting background checks, they do NOT support mandated checks for private sellers of firearms, only requirements for commercial enterprises to be obligated to do a background check. that is a ludicrous position as it leaves a huge number of sales out of a system that could prevent the wrong people from easily obtaining a firearm.
The above is Mavdog again.

Read the article on the gunshow loophole. Note how few gun sales there are based on the FBI and ATF records and estimates which are from one private individual to another. Note how few guns gained in that fashion end up being used for terror or crime.

You are right that the NRA does not support forcing private individuals to go to a FFL (gun dealer with a license) to oversee a sale.

But, when the seller is selling online such as on an auction (which is probably where a high percentage of private owner to private buyer transactions take place), the seller has to ship that gun to a FFL and that FFL transfers the gun to the buyer by going through a background check. That particular issue occurs because it is absolutely illegal to ship a gun through the mail or by UPS/Fed Ex unless that gun is being shipped to a FFL.

Again, you are talking about a tiny percentage of sales not going through a background check. And, the records show that those weapons are not being used in crime or terror.

Now, I personally don't mind a law that forces all sales to go through a FFL and background check. I just don't think that such a law will pass and I don't think that such a law will be heavily obeyed. Jim Bob and Joe Bob are still going to sell each other their guns in rural America.

And, we haven't even discussed giving guns as gifts. Giving a gun as a gift is already illegal. The background check paperwork specifically states that it is illegal to buy a gun with a plan to pass it on to someone else. But... people give gifts of guns all the time. A few hundred thousand guns are under the Christmas tree right now. Maybe a few million...

And, again, the FBI background checks are not recorded for a record. The US Congress passed a law many years ago that the background check records could not be maintained as a system of record keeping or "registration". So... no one knows who owns what guns...

Not saying that I agree with such things. Just pointing them out...
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